OE Classic Use Eudora Mailboxes?

Can I copy/paste my Eudora mailbox structures into OE Classic
structure? Will they work?

XieXie

wrote:
Can I copy/paste my Eudora mailbox structures into OE Classic
structure? Will they work?

The developer says this about the structu

"Open database formats (your email data belongs to you), all formats are
public and documented in the help."

So the OEC help would/might be describing which open format, such as
which mbox (mboxo, mboxrd, mboxcl, or mboxcl2) or maildir format.

Eudora uses its own brand of mboxo and separates the attachments; I
would not expect OEC to use Eudora style.

TBird uses mboxrd, which I would also not expect.

Since OEC does compacting, I would assume that it isn't using maildir
which is separate files for everything.

Until your threads, I didn't know about OEC free and the Pro version
$20. It sounds like a good project with a number of improvements over
OE such as open db formats, yEnc, less prone to corruption by such as
folder size limits.

http://www.oeclassic.com/ How does OE Classic compare to Outlook
Express, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail?

http://www.oeclassic.com/ar-outlook-express-windows-7 Outlook Express
on Windows 7 and Windows 8 - Where is it?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonath...x-formats.html
"mbox" is a family of several mutually incompatible mailbox formats.


--
Mike Easter

"Bob Henson" wrote in message
.. .
It would be if it worked. I tried it under Windows 8 and it won't connect
to live.com servers with the normal settings (throws up an error message
for an "unknown command"), and it won't connect to my newsgroup servers as
it cannot be set to always request authentication. Other than that, it's
OK
- apart from frequent error messages when I use my scroll wheel in it's
dropdown boxes. This software is nowhere near ready for release.

Bob, OEClassic works with Live.com, Outlook.com and other Microsoft
servers and a whole other range of POP3 servers.

I use it to check my hotmail account every day. Here is my log file:

- [POP3] Connect to "pop3.live.com", Port: 995, TLS: Yes
- +OK BLU0-POP620 POP3 server ready
- CAPA
- -ERR unrecognized command
- USER (removed this from the log intentionally)
- +OK password required
- PASS ***********
- +OK mailbox has 0 messages
- STAT
- +OK 0 0
No new messages
- QUIT
- +OK mailbox unchanged, POP3 server signing off

See... nothing unusual here. Except the Live.com server doesn't support
"CAPA" command (supported by better servers). But this is not essential for
logging in so program can continue without it. Most likely you simply didn't
enter your settings correctly.

Try:
Server: pop3.live.com
Port: 995
SSL Checkbox - checked
Your username/password as they are configured.
If you look in log above you will see these are exact settings I use and
they work.

Did you know that there is a server configuration tool here? -
http://www.oeclassic.com/account-config (it contains configuration for most
common servers like Gmail, Live, Yahoo and so on, but it will be expanded to
support more servers, less common)

wrote in message
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Can I copy/paste my Eudora mailbox structures into OE Classic
structure? Will they work?

I only can be imported. For now only from Outlook Express but more import
formats will be implemented. One quite common format for interchanging
emails are EML files (each email is in its own EML file) so we will see to
support that format as soon as possible (we have loads of feature requests).

"Mike Easter" wrote in message
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"mbox" is a family of several mutually incompatible mailbox formats.

At least it shares the common philosophy of listing one message after
another in a "text" file with... well... minor differences

"Bob Henson" wrote in message
.. .
Which is precisely what I had - that's why I say it's broken. I've added
the configuration to umpteen programs, and this is the first where it
failed. Naturally, I checked more than once that I had entered the correct
information. I don't know why there is a problem, all I know is that if I
have to find out why, the program is no good anyway.

Well, I am receiving no such problem myself with above config and I download
email from Hotmail account every day. If you would please be kind enough to
send us log file from the incorrect connection we would be glad to
investigate. You can contact us on www.oeclassic.com/help page and
copy-paste the log there. If there is a problem with OE Classic we will be
more than happy to fix it. Problem is when users don't contact us when we
can't fix it because we're not aware of the issue - but when they do - we
always fix it ASAP.

No, I didn't - but if I have to use one, something is wrong. I have e-mail
accounts with Outlook, Gmail, two domains of my own hosted elsewhere, two
ISP accounts, and I've installed them manually and automatically into most
Windows versions, most e-mail clients, Linux, Android and a few I've
forgotten. The program is crap! When there are so many that work just fine
straight out of the box, why struggle with one that fails? Having now read
all about the spam it inserts etc. - why on earth would anyone use it?

No program is made to suit everyone's needs and many people are unsatisfied
with Windows Live Mail, Thunderbird and other programs.
Of course, you have the right to your opinion, I respect that. But rest
assured OE Classic offers features you can't find in any other program that
works on Win7. Identities are one such feature (not the case with Live
Mail). Support for 64-bit article indexes and proper support for yEnc on
newsgroups (not the case with Thunderbird). Secure storage with database
that supports ACID properties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID).... and
many more.

I understand that the settings may work on other programs - but without
taking a look into log I can't really work with guesses. I am not the only
one where it works, but I may not be relevant as I am developer, I know how
this program works. But we have many users using it with Gmail, Outlook.com
and Live.com servers. It works for them so it should work for you. As I
explained above - if you'd please be kind to send us log, we can take a look
to see if it is a problem with program (which is less likely because that
feature has been around for 3 years), or with the settings you used (which
is more likely).

We will of course address this by improving our database of known
configurations and built it into the program itself because we understand
that people may have issues from time to time configuring all the settings
and they don't always understand what "POP3 server" or "STARTTLS" setting
really means.

"Bob Henson" wrote in message
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It doesn't - it fails with outlook mail and gmail. I uninstalled it
immediately, so I can't remember what was in the log. Aside from the CAPA
error, it was something on the smtp side - maybe about an incorrect
version
number? Whatever it was, it was identical with outlook.com and gmail.com.

CAPA "error" is not a problem and that surely didn't stop you from
connecting - CAPA is OPTIONAL command and if error is issued by server it
can be ignored and program can continue. More likely reason for you not
being able to connect is a firewall blocking OE Classic or having incorrect
username or password. These are most common connection errors.


Here are example logs with correct settings for both Live.com (Outlook.com,
hotmail.com) and Gmail.com POP3 settings directly from OE Classic log (I
only edited email) showing it works (my system is Win7x64 but it is the same
on Win8 really).

----------------------------------------------------------------------
- [POP3] Connect to "pop3.live.com", Port: 995, TLS: Yes
- +OK DUB0-POP61 POP3 server ready
- CAPA
- -ERR unrecognized command --- this is IGNORED because it is OPTIONAL
command
- USER
- +OK password required
- PASS **************
- +OK mailbox has 0 messages
- STAT
- +OK 0 0
No new messages
- QUIT
- +OK mailbox unchanged, POP3 server signing off
----------------------------------------------------------------------
- [POP3] Connect to "pop.gmail.com", Port: 995, TLS: Yes
- +OK Gpop ready for requests from 11.22.33.44 n46p32142853476d.12
- CAPA
- +OK Capability list follows --- clearly, Gmail is more compliant to
the specifications and supports CAPA
- USER
- RESP-CODES
- EXPIRE 0
- LOGIN-DELAY 300
- TOP
- UIDL
- X-GOOGLE-VERHOEVEN
- X-GOOGLE-RICO
- .
- USER
- +OK send PASS
- PASS **************
- +OK Welcome.
- STAT
- +OK 0 0
No new messages
- QUIT
- +OK Farewell.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Bob Henson" wrote in message
.. .
I'm bothering since you are so convinced there is nothing wrong with your
program - but you *are* wrong, so for your own good you would do well to
listen - but please yourself. Here's your log you keep asking for.

- [POP3] Connect to "pop3.live.com", Port: 995, TLS: Yes
- +OK COL0-POP106 POP3 server ready
- CAPA
- -ERR unrecognized command
- USER *****.****
- +OK password required
- PASS ************
- -ERR authentication failed

Unfortunately, your logs only show that you've tried wrong settings. Here is
explanation.

Server settings are good here (server, name, port), but it does not accept
username or password or both. This is not OE Classic error - OE Classic
perfectly responds to -ERR - quits - what else can it do when server is
telling it username/pass are wrong? You can clearly see here it communicates
with the server - conection passes, it sends username and password, server
replies with "authentication failed" - OE Classic can't continue so it
disconnects and reports error. The problem is with username or password or
service. Try the same settings and same username/password in any mail client
you will get same result - except here you can clearly see where it fails.
Make sure you EXACTLY type in same username and password.

- [SMTP] Connect to "smtp.live.com", Port: 465, TLS: Yes
An error occurred. - Socket Error # 10060 - Connection timed out.

Port for smtp.live.com is 587, and TLS must be unchecked (so it must be
"Port: 587, TSL: No"). You have port 456 and TLS is checked. Obviously it
times out because it doesn't accept connections on secure port 465. This is
not correct server setting.

Now - your first mistake - the above log is using the quick setup method.
The setup failed to copy across the USER name (it left off the
") so naturally the pop3 connection failed. It used port 465

Setup cuts the first part of email as "username". Not all email servers
require full email address as "username". For example, Gmail works with
both: username and - if you know that it requires
then you must provide it in appropriate box for
username.

for smtp, so that failed too - it should be 587 for live.com of course. I

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_...nsfer_Protocol

Standard port for submission a 25, 587 and 465 for legacy secure SMTP.
Although 587 is standard value for secure submission, 465 is more widely
used. For example, Gmail uses 465. As Gmail is much more popular than
Outlook.com we went with 465 as default setting. But unfortunately,
Outlook.com doesn't use 587 on SECURE port, it uses it on unsecure port and
then uses STARTLS. This is another failure by Microsoft. They should have
used 587 with SSL and not with STARTTLS. Or 465 with SSL. Either way, there
is no perfect solution here, we wen't with 465 because it is more popular
and chances are that more users will get it correctly if they click "set to
default port".

This will be corrected in following versions where it will pick up settings
from our server (it will be in other words "autoconfigured") and all we need
is user's email address, connection to our server to pick up correct
configuration and configure server settings properly. Then these issues will
be gone for good as OE Classic will autoconfigure itself.

corrected the two configuration errors, and on subsequent runs the pop3
connection was fine. However, the smtp connection failed again as below.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
- [SMTP] Connect to "smtp.live.com", Port: 587, TLS: Yes
An error occurred. - Error connecting with SSL. - error:1408F10B:SSL
routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number

Now you have TSL checked - once again wrong configuration. You need to
uncheck it. Port = 587, TLS = No is correct setting. Out of 4 possibilities
you tried 2 incorect ones. Even though if TLS is unchecked it will still use
STARTTLS.

Exactly the same applies to gmail connections.

No, Gmail uses different port settings. Please look at my logs. You can find
correct settings if you go to http://www.oeclassic.com/account-config input
your email into the box and it will pop correct settings for both Gmail and
Outlook. We plan only to connect this database to the program itself to make
it easier for everyone.

On the same system I have Thunderbird and Outlook 2007 running perfectly
with these identical settings. Now tell me your program isn't broken! We

Unfortunately, the settings from Thunderbird cannot be cloned to OE Classic.
It uses different user interface (server settings are the same but user
interface is different). We try to keep it as simple as possible and to hide
terms like "STARTTLS" from user and drop-down boxes. STARTTLS is hardly
understood by regular users and this is exactly what Outlook.com uses to
connect to SMTP.

haven't yet started on the weird error messages when I use my scroll wheel
inside a drop-down box - and I'm sure there would be lots more if I
carried
on looking - the spell checker doesn't work - but perhaps that's because I
haven't paid? No-one else will either if you don't fix all these problems.

We noticed the error with mouse wheel and we'll fix it of course. But it is
minor error and can be fixed in maybe 2 lines of code - it is just we didn't
notice it so far.
And I assure you, we have paid customers - a lot of them, and we are tuning
program each day to make it easier to use and live with. We've done that for
3 years and we're far from over. I could easily ignore all what you wrote
even though it was obvious to me that the settings you used were wrong. But
I did not. Hopefully that tells a few words about our attitude. But I am
ready to take even one step further... read on.

That's my last word on the subject - I have no more time to waste. I don't
care *why* it doesn't work - that's your problem. All I know is that here,
IT IS BROKEN!

Feel free to contact me through contact form on our web site, I will freely
provide you with remote-desktop service to show you correct settings on your
own computer. This is service we normally offer only to paid customers. My
mission is not to argue with anyone, just to help those that have issues
with our program. And we've helped a lot of people - including those that
didn't order paid version. We love both type of users - free and paid ones.
Both help make this program even better.

A wrote:

- [SMTP] Connect to "smtp.live.com", Port: 465, TLS: Yes
An error occurred. - Socket Error # 10060 - Connection timed out.

Port for smtp.live.com is 587, and TLS must be unchecked (so it must be
"Port: 587, TSL: No"). You have port 456 and TLS is checked. Obviously it
times out because it doesn't accept connections on secure port 465. This is
not correct server setting.

Standard port for submission a 25, 587 and 465 for legacy secure SMTP.
Although 587 is standard value for secure submission, 465 is more widely
used. For example, Gmail uses 465. As Gmail is much more popular than
Outlook.com we went with 465 as default setting. But unfortunately,
Outlook.com doesn't use 587 on SECURE port, it uses it on unsecure port and
then uses STARTLS. This is another failure by Microsoft. They should have
used 587 with SSL and not with STARTTLS. Or 465 with SSL. Either way, there
is no perfect solution here, we wen't with 465 because it is more popular
and chances are that more users will get it correctly if they click "set to
default port".

----------------------------------------------------------------------
- [SMTP] Connect to "smtp.live.com", Port: 587, TLS: Yes
An error occurred. - Error connecting with SSL. - error:1408F10B:SSL
routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number

Now you have TSL checked - once again wrong configuration. You need to
uncheck it. Port = 587, TLS = No is correct setting. Out of 4 possibilities
you tried 2 incorect ones. Even though if TLS is unchecked it will still use
STARTTLS.


With respect to Port 587 use of SSL, TLS, and STARTTLS
Depends on the client
OE = 587 SSL
- same for Outlook 03, WLM, iPhone, iPod Touch, and Vista's Windows Mail
Outlook 07/10/13 = TLS or Auto
SeaMonkey (possibly other Mozilla based clients) = STARTTLS


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

A wrote:
With respect to Port 587 use of SSL, TLS, and STARTTLS
Depends on the client
OE = 587 SSL
- same for Outlook 03, WLM, iPhone, iPod Touch, and Vista's Windows Mail
Outlook 07/10/13 = TLS or Auto
SeaMonkey (possibly other Mozilla based clients) = STARTTLS

OE Classic automatically uses StartTLS (if server supports it). Checkbox
checkcked = connect directly to secure port without STARTTLS negotiation.
Unchecked = connect unsecurely, then check if STARTTLS is supported, then
use it if available, otherwise continue unsecurely (it also examines to use
most secure authentication method so tries SHA1 first, then MD5, then AUTH
and if none is available plaintext. This is all done automatically without
any special setting in the GUI.

A wrote:
A wrote:
With respect to Port 587 use of SSL, TLS, and STARTTLS
Depends on the client
OE = 587 SSL
- same for Outlook 03, WLM, iPhone, iPod Touch, and Vista's Windows Mail
Outlook 07/10/13 = TLS or Auto
SeaMonkey (possibly other Mozilla based clients) = STARTTLS

OE Classic automatically uses StartTLS (if server supports it). Checkbox
checkcked = connect directly to secure port without STARTTLS negotiation.
Unchecked = connect unsecurely, then check if STARTTLS is supported, then
use it if available, otherwise continue unsecurely (it also examines to use
most secure authentication method so tries SHA1 first, then MD5, then AUTH
and if none is available plaintext. This is all done automatically without
any special setting in the GUI.


I didn't state anything about OEC, just provided the proper settings for
Hotmail type accounts using POP3/SMTP for anyone reading this thread
(since the most recent posts from Bob H referenced use of smtp.live.com).


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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps