OE Express Question

I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying
to implement OE Express in its place.

I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?)
into OE Express, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export
(or save) my OE Express mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is
gray!

So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE Express
help and Google, but have not found any info.

I also do not find any OE Express news group, so I am sorry if this is
OT.

XieXie
Wei

Gad! How dumb can this ass be? I meant CLASSIC when I said EXPRESS!

Here is my rewrite.




On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 07:31:28 -0400, wrote:

I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying
to implement OE CLASSIC in its place.

I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?)
into OE CLASSIC, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export
(or save) my OE CLASSIC mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is
gray!

So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE CLASSIC
help and Google, but have not found any info.

I also do not find any OE CLASSIC news group, so I am sorry if this is
OT.

XieXie
Wei

I found the answer I wanted at

http://www.oeclassic.com/online-help-store-folder

XieXie

wrote:
I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying
to implement OE Express in its place.

I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?)
into OE Express, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export
(or save) my OE Express mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is
gray!

So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE Express
help and Google, but have not found any info.

I also do not find any OE Express news group, so I am sorry if this is
OT.

XieXie
Wei


I'd never heard of this, but I found the video trailer;
http://www.softoxi.com/oe-classic.html

I'm excited, and I've downloaded it to take a look. I'm a bit short of
time to experiment at the moment, but I certainly will do when I can.

Anybody else used it? I'm a bit sceptical because it looks like a
one-man project, so there could be bugs. But sill, I'll reserve judgement.

Ed

"Ed Cryer" wrote in message ...

I'd never heard of this, but I found the video trailer;
http://www.softoxi.com/oe-classic.html

I'm excited, and I've downloaded it to take a look. I'm a bit short of
time to experiment at the moment, but I certainly will do when I can.

Anybody else used it? I'm a bit sceptical because it looks like a
one-man project, so there could be bugs. But sill, I'll reserve judgement.

Ed


Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails.
I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups and you can
subscribe to them OK but it errors out when trying to access a specific
newsgroup.

www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE Express.png

"Ed Cryer" wrote in message ...
wrote:
I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying
to implement OE Express in its place.

I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?)
into OE Express, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export
(or save) my OE Express mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is
gray!

So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE Express
help and Google, but have not found any info.

I also do not find any OE Express news group, so I am sorry if this is
OT.

XieXie
Wei


I'd never heard of this, but I found the video trailer;
http://www.softoxi.com/oe-classic.html

I'm excited, and I've downloaded it to take a look. I'm a bit short of
time to experiment at the moment, but I certainly will do when I can.

Anybody else used it? I'm a bit sceptical because it looks like a
one-man project, so there could be bugs. But sill, I'll reserve judgement.

Ed


Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails.
I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you can
subscribe to them OK, but it errors out when trying to access a specific
newsgroup.
www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE Express.png

In article m, (Dave-UK)
wrote:

Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails.
I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you
can subscribe to them OK, but it errors out when trying to access a
specific
newsgroup.
www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE Express.png

It seems to be good at double-posting too by the look of it! :^))

I've put Vista's Windows Mail on W7 which is as close to OE as you can get, but
I'll probably use Thunderbird when I finally switch to using my W7 machine full
time.

Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...

wei wrote:

I meant CLASSIC when I said EXPRESS!

Here is my rewrite.

wei wrote:

I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying
to implement OE CLASSIC in its place.

I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?)
into OE CLASSIC, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export
(or save) my OE CLASSIC mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is
gray!

I had seen a product that was an alternative to Outlook Express (that
was supposed to look like Outlook Express) but couldn't imagine they
would call the product Outlook Express Express.

Just so others know what product you are asking about, it's at:

http://www.oeclassic.com/

I think that's the one you meant.

You still did not state if you are using the crippled free version
(lureware) or their payware Pro version. A partial list of what you get
in the full (paid) version (which also indicates what you do NOT get in
the free/trial version) is at:

http://www.oeclassic.com/order

Most of it addresses product support. Alas, they don't provide a
detailed list of what is missing from the free/trial version. All they
say is the full/paid version has "all features unlocked". Maybe you
should contact them (http://www.oeclassic.com/help) to check if one of
those unlocked features is the ability to save a backup of the message
store. They don't provide a user forum where you can ask for peer help
(probably because they're interested in getting your money rather than
supporting the product even if just to provide the bandwidth for a forum
for "free" help from other users).

On their Order page (http://www.oeclassic.com/order), they have a matrix
showing what is missing from their crippled lureware version. I have 8
e-mail accounts: some for general use and some for special use (and some
of those are opt-in-only accounts so only senders in a whitelist can get
their e-mails into the Inbox). Their crippleware's limit of 2 accounts
maximum was a critical reason for me not to use their software. The
clincher for not using their lureware is that is also spamwa they
will append their spam to every outgoing e-mail sent using their
product. I will not become their spam affiliate just to get an e-mail
client for free when there are other non-spamming alternatives.

Because their freeware version does not support identities then it isn't
beyond expectation that they limit other features, like message store
backup (external to the program, like an export/import feature). If the
program truly behaves like Outlook Express then you can simply save the
..dbx files to somewhere else. That would backup your message store but
not the account definitions (which, in OE, has you export those settings
into .rdf files). However, since their intent seems to ransom you to
get all features by buying the full version, I would not be surprised
that they do not use .dbx database files and instead use their own
database manager. That is, once your data is in their product, it's
locked inside unless you buy their product.

The free version is lureware as it is a bit overly crippled. You'll
probably have to spend the $20 to get their full version to unlock those
important features -- or find a different AND FREE e-mail client.

Since the File - Export menu entry exists but is grayed out (disabled)
leads me to believe that it's a feature that you have to PAY for.
They'll let you import your data into their product but ransom you to
get it out.

Ed Cryer wrote:
wrote:
I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying
to implement OE Express in its place.

I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?)
into OE Express, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export
(or save) my OE Express mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is
gray!

So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE Express
help and Google, but have not found any info.

I also do not find any OE Express news group, so I am sorry if this is
OT.

XieXie
Wei


I'd never heard of this, but I found the video trailer;
http://www.softoxi.com/oe-classic.html

I'm excited, and I've downloaded it to take a look. I'm a bit short of
time to experiment at the moment, but I certainly will do when I can.

Anybody else used it? I'm a bit sceptical because it looks like a
one-man project, so there could be bugs. But sill, I'll reserve judgement.

Ed


Next please.
What a pile of stuff!
1. Crashed when I clicked to re-sort post list on date.
2. Won't accept authentication connection with Eternal-September.
3. Couldn't reset font display size.
4. Clicked on Help in Win Menu, and address not found.

It's gone from here.

Ed

"Dave-UK" wrote in message
Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails.
I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you can

Dave, you should post screenshots by including %20 for space like so:
http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE%20Express.png --- Now it is clickable.

We examined the problem and unfortunately the problem is with
eu.news.astraweb.com server and not OE Classic.

From your screenshot it is visible that the server sends it supports command
"OVER". OE Classic attempts to utilize that command by sending "OVER
99032-100031" but the server replies with "500 What?" - 500 is a code for
unrecognized command. So it says first it supports the command and after
using it says it is unsupported. This is clearly wrong.

First of all, server should not reply with 500 to command it claims it
supports. OVER is a command many servers use and OE Classic simply utilizes
it as it should. Next, we tried to reproduce this on another server - we
tried news.aioe.org and there we got the following result:

- AUTHINFO
- USER
- SASL
-
- HDR
- LIST ACTIVE ACTIVE.TIMES DISTRIB.PATS HEADERS NEWSGROUPS OVERVIEW.FMT
- OVER
- POST
- READER
- SASL NTLM DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN
- .
- GROUP alt.windows7.general
- 211 4520 67027 71546 alt.windows7.general
- OVER 67027-71546
- 224 Overview information for 67027-71546 follows

As you can see, OVER command sent by OE Classic sent OVER command here as
well but it got result "224" which is "OK" result - showing both client and
server operate correctly. Of course, list of messages was downloaded as
well. Next, highest message number is 71546 and news.astraweb.com reports it
is 100031. That number is too high (each time message is posted highest
number is increased). As most recent post is from today and message number
is 71546 on news.aioe.org this only shows that something is wrong with
news.astraweb.com and that news.aioe.org works better. In fact, the only
thing it shows is that Astraweb doesn't even carry alt.windows7.general
group which is kind of odd considering it is not free to use server.

If it works with other newsreader, it is only because they may have a
fallback mechanism which utilizes older and more traffic intensive commands
(which use more bandwidth or require more parsing).
OVER is the most recent NNTP command and XOVER is less recent from quite a
few years ago. Practically ALL servers should support at least XOVER.

As OE Classic is biased toward more recent technologies we
are not likely to tune it to support older commands - for example OE Classic
supports 64-bit NNTP indexes where neither Outlook Express, Windows Live
Mail don't. I am unsure about Thunderbird.

Try alt.binaries.boneless and see what happens in OE Classic and other
programs - that group has gone over 32-bit boundary.

I would recommend you contact Astraweb and notify them of the problem with
the server or use news.aioe.org as quick replacement for this particular
group.
Of course if you have further questions regarding OE Classic you are free to
contact us via www.oeclassic.com/help page.

A wrote:
"Dave-UK" wrote in message
Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails.
I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you can

Dave, you should post screenshots by including %20 for space like so:
http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE%20Express.png --- Now it is clickable.

We examined the problem and unfortunately the problem is with
eu.news.astraweb.com server and not OE Classic.

From your screenshot it is visible that the server sends it supports command
"OVER". OE Classic attempts to utilize that command by sending "OVER
99032-100031" but the server replies with "500 What?" - 500 is a code for
unrecognized command. So it says first it supports the command and after
using it says it is unsupported. This is clearly wrong.

First of all, server should not reply with 500 to command it claims it
supports. OVER is a command many servers use and OE Classic simply utilizes
it as it should. Next, we tried to reproduce this on another server - we
tried news.aioe.org and there we got the following result:

- AUTHINFO
- USER
- SASL
-
- HDR
- LIST ACTIVE ACTIVE.TIMES DISTRIB.PATS HEADERS NEWSGROUPS OVERVIEW.FMT
- OVER
- POST
- READER
- SASL NTLM DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN
- .
- GROUP alt.windows7.general
- 211 4520 67027 71546 alt.windows7.general
- OVER 67027-71546
- 224 Overview information for 67027-71546 follows

As you can see, OVER command sent by OE Classic sent OVER command here as
well but it got result "224" which is "OK" result - showing both client and
server operate correctly. Of course, list of messages was downloaded as
well. Next, highest message number is 71546 and news.astraweb.com reports it
is 100031. That number is too high (each time message is posted highest
number is increased). As most recent post is from today and message number
is 71546 on news.aioe.org this only shows that something is wrong with
news.astraweb.com and that news.aioe.org works better. In fact, the only
thing it shows is that Astraweb doesn't even carry alt.windows7.general
group which is kind of odd considering it is not free to use server.

If it works with other newsreader, it is only because they may have a
fallback mechanism which utilizes older and more traffic intensive commands
(which use more bandwidth or require more parsing).
OVER is the most recent NNTP command and XOVER is less recent from quite a
few years ago. Practically ALL servers should support at least XOVER.

As OE Classic is biased toward more recent technologies we
are not likely to tune it to support older commands - for example OE Classic
supports 64-bit NNTP indexes where neither Outlook Express, Windows Live
Mail don't. I am unsure about Thunderbird.

Try alt.binaries.boneless and see what happens in OE Classic and other
programs - that group has gone over 32-bit boundary.

I would recommend you contact Astraweb and notify them of the problem with
the server or use news.aioe.org as quick replacement for this particular
group.
Of course if you have further questions regarding OE Classic you are free to
contact us via www.oeclassic.com/help page.

Instead of OVER, should you be sending XOVER ?
I can't (so far) find a reference to OVER.

http://www.newsdemon.com/rfc2980.php

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message
...
Instead of OVER, should you be sending XOVER ?
I can't (so far) find a reference to OVER.
http://www.newsdemon.com/rfc2980.php

No, you are looking at older version of RFC from Oct 2000. It has been
obsoleted by RFC-3977 from Oct 2006.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#page-76

OVER is more recent than XOVER. Newer servers should support OVER instead of
XOVER, but in this case the server claims it supports OVER but when valid
OVER command is sent it replies with 500 error. The only thing that can be
done is to either implement some sort of fallback mechanism in client - e.g.
to blindly use XOVER and hope it will work properly, which defies the
purpose of complying to the standard.

OEClassic automatically detects if server supports OVER and if it does it
uses OVER. If it doesn't, then it indeed uses XOVER. There are no other
fallback mechanisms because practically all servers support should XOVER, it
has been around for ages.

Besides, it works just nice on news.aioe.org with "OVER" if you look at my
log so the problem is definitely with news.astraweb.com. If someone can test
it with other servers, please feel free to report your results.

After more examination we will probably implement a "legacy" mode for such
servers (option in Properties of account). But here is another proof that
astraweb.com is not functioning correctly:

"Personally, I would contact astraweb.com and let them know that their NNTP
server is broken. They went to the trouble of implementing the newer
CAPABILITIES command, but they violated a core requirement of it:"

"The server MUST ensure that the capability list accurately reflects the
capabilities (including extensions) currently available."

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977#page-14

On 06/10/2013 20:12, John K.Eason wrote:
In article m, (Dave-UK)
wrote:

Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails.
I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you
can subscribe to them OK, but it errors out when trying to access a
specific
newsgroup.
www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE Express.png

It seems to be good at double-posting too by the look of it! :^))

I've put Vista's Windows Mail on W7 which is as close to OE as you can get, but
I'll probably use Thunderbird when I finally switch to using my W7 machine full
time.

Regards
John ) Remove the obvious to reply...


Thunderbird is a good choice. I use it since I moved to W7.

Fokke

On 06/10/2013 17:42, Dave-UK wrote:

"Ed Cryer" wrote in message
...
wrote:
I see that Outlook Express is not available in Windows 7. I am trying
to implement OE Express in its place.

I have been able to import my Outlook Express mailboxes (?identities?)
into OE Express, and it seems to run okay. But I see no way to export
(or save) my OE Express mailboxes for backup. In fact, FileExport is
gray!

So how do I backup/restore my mailboxes? I have looked at OE Express
help and Google, but have not found any info.

I also do not find any OE Express news group, so I am sorry if this is
OT.

XieXie
Wei


I'd never heard of this, but I found the video trailer;
http://www.softoxi.com/oe-classic.html

I'm excited, and I've downloaded it to take a look. I'm a bit short of
time to experiment at the moment, but I certainly will do when I can.

Anybody else used it? I'm a bit sceptical because it looks like a
one-man project, so there could be bugs. But sill, I'll reserve
judgement.

Ed


Well I've just tried to access this newsgroup with it and it fails.
I'm with Astraweb. It downloads the names of newsgroups, and you can
subscribe to them OK, but it errors out when trying to access a specific
newsgroup.
www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/OE Express.png




Doesn't even download the newsgroup names. Tried with 2 news servers.

Fokke