more error in F8.1U1

http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426

On 17/05/2014 01:14, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426


You are really spending your time well by finding errors in Windows 8,
aren't you? Have you had these problems on your system?


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Todd wrote:
On 05/16/2014 08:18 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 17/05/2014 01:14, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426



You are really spending your time well by finding errors in Windows 8,
aren't you? Have you had these problems on your system?



Hi Guy,

I was sharing information, that is all.

I don't dare upgrade. Apparently F8.1U1 is a nightmare
for a lot of people. According to the article, up to
11 bugs without resolution now.

I will only upgrade to F8+ when a customers needs me on it
to help him. F8.0 is too much the same as F8.1U1. Plus
the *******s want me to buy a new license if I want to
install a fresh copy of F8.1+ from DVD.

And I do any remaining Windows work I have to do on XP.
Vista/W7/F8 are too stinking slow on my Virtual machines.

-T


VMs (x86 on x86) can achieve on the order of 90% of the
performance of native operation. If you use VirtualBox,
you can dedicate more cores to an OS, to enhance
performance. If you're going to do serious VM work,
you'd need to start with a few more cores.

Some VM environments are I/O limited. The Microsoft
VPC2007 and Windows Virtual PC are like that. There are
some significant performance limits, such as file
sharing only running at 1.5MB/sec. Which can be a problem
if hauling gigabyte sized files into such an environment.
And I don't have a solution for those kinds of problems.
Presumably some other software product, wouldn't
be quite as bad.

But for the processor portion, you should be able to
fix that. VPC2007 family only supports one core for
all the machines running off the host software. Whereas
VirtualPC supports multiple cores (up to some limit).

*******

Windows 8 is like the Unfinished Symphony. You keep
updating it, just for the amusement of waiting
until they make up their mind what they want to
do with it. When you buy a copy of Windows 8,
you're not buying an OS, you're buying into
a business strategy. I'm still waiting for the
magical benefits to accrue.

There's no reason to fear updating it for your
own personal use. Do a backup, do 8.1 then U1,
if you get one of the eleven errors, you can
always back out using your backup image. That
was all part of the process for me, when I spent
four hours doing it.

Paul

On 5/16/2014 11:18 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 17/05/2014 01:14, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426


You are really spending your time well by finding errors in Windows 8,
aren't you? Have you had these problems on your system?



I have never been an MS groupie, but think people are being too hard on
Window 8. Granted the original release was an abortion. With the
release of 8.1 and the 8.1update, it is now a quite useable system. It
can be set up to never see the metro interfaces, gives quite acceptable
performance.

I usually have a half a dozen programs running with additional tabs in
my browser. It handles it nicely. My more problems are with my ISP.

While all of the commonly used parameters are available in Windows 8.1u
by right clicking on the MS Icon on the Desktop screen, they are
arranged differently than in past version, and you do have to learn the
new arrangement. I am getting to like the Start Screen with the
program Icons. You can find what you are looking for just as fast as
the old presentation.

If someone asked me should they upgrade, My answer to day would be
definitely.

I don't have time to spend trying to find problems with Windows 8.1u so
I can cut down MS by posting them on the web.

Hi, Keith.

Well said!

Microsoft finally got Windows 8 RIGHT! ;)

My Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center is set to boot directly to the desktop. When I
power-up in the morning, I can start Quicken and WLM in about 30 seconds of
power-on. (I could set those two most-used programs to start automatically,
of course, but I do like to keep some options for myself - and sometimes I
want to run something else at Startup, such as after Windows Update installs
some new update that requires a reboot.) Fully updated, because I have WU
set to download and let me choose when or whether to install; so far, I've
installed them all.

There are more than a dozen program icons on my Taskbar, and some of those
have Jump Lists, so that I can (for example) start Excel with my rainfall
history already loaded. Windows Media Center is the 8th icon, so Ctrl+8
starts that, no matter which application may be onscreen at the time. To
search for anything, I just press the Windows key (or click the Windows icon
in the lower left corner) and start typing. Lots of other good features,
some i learned from literature - or from newsgroups - but many I found by
simply exploring. I've not spent much time looking for things that need
fixing. But, then, I'm not trying to justify calling it "Frankenstein 8".
That's Todd's shtick. ;^{

Perfect? Of course not. But I don't have many complaints now.

I like the current Win8! ;)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message ...

On 5/16/2014 11:18 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 17/05/2014 01:14, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426


You are really spending your time well by finding errors in Windows 8,
aren't you? Have you had these problems on your system?



I have never been an MS groupie, but think people are being too hard on
Window 8. Granted the original release was an abortion. With the
release of 8.1 and the 8.1update, it is now a quite useable system. It
can be set up to never see the metro interfaces, gives quite acceptable
performance.

I usually have a half a dozen programs running with additional tabs in
my browser. It handles it nicely. My more problems are with my ISP.

While all of the commonly used parameters are available in Windows 8.1u
by right clicking on the MS Icon on the Desktop screen, they are
arranged differently than in past version, and you do have to learn the
new arrangement. I am getting to like the Start Screen with the
program Icons. You can find what you are looking for just as fast as
the old presentation.

If someone asked me should they upgrade, My answer to day would be
definitely.

I don't have time to spend trying to find problems with Windows 8.1u so
I can cut down MS by posting them on the web.

Todd said on 5/17/2014 12:50 AM:
On 05/16/2014 08:18 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 17/05/2014 01:14, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426



You are really spending your time well by finding errors in Windows 8,
aren't you? Have you had these problems on your system?



Hi Guy,

I was sharing information, that is all.

I don't dare upgrade. Apparently F8.1U1 is a nightmare
for a lot of people. According to the article, up to
11 bugs without resolution now.

I will only upgrade to F8+ when a customers needs me on it
to help him. F8.0 is too much the same as F8.1U1. Plus
the *******s want me to buy a new license if I want to
install a fresh copy of F8.1+ from DVD.

And I do any remaining Windows work I have to do on XP.
Vista/W7/F8 are too stinking slow on my Virtual machines.

-T

I get it that you don't like Windows 8, but could you tone down the
F.... stuff. Its W8.1 And for a lot of people the updates are fine,
work well, and are great step forward to making the OS more workable.

Flame me if you want, but you can be negative without being foul.

R. C. White said on 5/17/2014 8:52 AM:
Hi, Keith.

Well said!

Microsoft finally got Windows 8 RIGHT! ;)

My Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center is set to boot directly to the desktop.
When I power-up in the morning, I can start Quicken and WLM in about 30
seconds of power-on. (I could set those two most-used programs to start
automatically, of course, but I do like to keep some options for myself
- and sometimes I want to run something else at Startup, such as after
Windows Update installs some new update that requires a reboot.) Fully
updated, because I have WU set to download and let me choose when or
whether to install; so far, I've installed them all.

There are more than a dozen program icons on my Taskbar, and some of
those have Jump Lists, so that I can (for example) start Excel with my
rainfall history already loaded. Windows Media Center is the 8th icon,
so Ctrl+8 starts that, no matter which application may be onscreen at
the time. To search for anything, I just press the Windows key (or
click the Windows icon in the lower left corner) and start typing. Lots
of other good features, some i learned from literature - or from
newsgroups - but many I found by simply exploring. I've not spent much
time looking for things that need fixing. But, then, I'm not trying to
justify calling it "Frankenstein 8". That's Todd's shtick. ;^{

Perfect? Of course not. But I don't have many complaints now.

I like the current Win8! ;)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message ...

On 5/16/2014 11:18 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 17/05/2014 01:14, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426



You are really spending your time well by finding errors in Windows 8,
aren't you? Have you had these problems on your system?



I have never been an MS groupie, but think people are being too hard on
Window 8. Granted the original release was an abortion. With the
release of 8.1 and the 8.1update, it is now a quite useable system. It
can be set up to never see the metro interfaces, gives quite acceptable
performance.

I usually have a half a dozen programs running with additional tabs in
my browser. It handles it nicely. My more problems are with my ISP.

While all of the commonly used parameters are available in Windows 8.1u
by right clicking on the MS Icon on the Desktop screen, they are
arranged differently than in past version, and you do have to learn the
new arrangement. I am getting to like the Start Screen with the
program Icons. You can find what you are looking for just as fast as
the old presentation.

If someone asked me should they upgrade, My answer to day would be
definitely.

I don't have time to spend trying to find problems with Windows 8.1u so
I can cut down MS by posting them on the web.
What do you use Media Center for???. I got that freebee CD Key but I
have not loaded it. Not sure I can find a use.

On 5/16/2014 7:14 PM, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426


Yes, this is the same patch that Microsoft was going to use as a
"baseline" for all future Windows 8.1 patches: Up until Monday
of this week, Microsoft's official, oft-repeated policy demanded
that customers install KB 2919355 if they wanted any future
Windows 8.1 security patches. Fortunately, on May 12 cooler
heads prevailed and Microsoft informed Windows 8.1 customers
that the threatened Windows 8.1 patch cutoff was a paper tiger
-- those who didn't get Windows 8.1 Update/KB2919322 installed
by May 13 would continue to receive updates for another month,
until Black Tuesday June 9.

Huh? What is this about? The machines that I have 8.0 installed on will
be stuck at 8.0 if I don't update them before June 9th?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center

Hi, BigAl.

What do you use Media Center for???.

I've been using Windows Media Center since...Win95? Never had an actual
Media Center machine, but added a tuner card for $100 in 2007. Now I watch
TV news and weather and football games on my computer monitor while my wife
watches Dr. Oz on the TV set in the living room or bedroom. Among other
advantages, I can read/write emails during the commercials. ;) And at the
special Win8 price (FREE), it was irresistible.

MC lets me capture TV shows and movies, just like a DVR, and play them
back - or put them on my hard disk or USB thumb drive, or even onto DVDs.
It can show all my photos and videos, although there are plenty of other
ways to do that, too, such as Photo Gallery, Photoshop Elements and others.
Using a couple of versions of Microsoft's Movie Maker, I've stitched
together my own photos and videos and made amateur home movies. Media
Center is quite versatile, and it could do even more for me if I had TV
cable instead of my antenna; some of my recordings, especially during bad
weather, are garbled in places.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"Big Al" wrote in message
eb.com...


R. C. White said on 5/17/2014 8:52 AM:
Hi, Keith.

Well said!

Microsoft finally got Windows 8 RIGHT! ;)

My Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center is set to boot directly to the desktop.
When I power-up in the morning, I can start Quicken and WLM in about 30
seconds of power-on. (I could set those two most-used programs to start
automatically, of course, but I do like to keep some options for myself
- and sometimes I want to run something else at Startup, such as after
Windows Update installs some new update that requires a reboot.) Fully
updated, because I have WU set to download and let me choose when or
whether to install; so far, I've installed them all.

There are more than a dozen program icons on my Taskbar, and some of
those have Jump Lists, so that I can (for example) start Excel with my
rainfall history already loaded. Windows Media Center is the 8th icon,
so Ctrl+8 starts that, no matter which application may be onscreen at
the time. To search for anything, I just press the Windows key (or
click the Windows icon in the lower left corner) and start typing. Lots
of other good features, some i learned from literature - or from
newsgroups - but many I found by simply exploring. I've not spent much
time looking for things that need fixing. But, then, I'm not trying to
justify calling it "Frankenstein 8". That's Todd's shtick. ;^{

Perfect? Of course not. But I don't have many complaints now.

I like the current Win8! ;)

RC


"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message ...

On 5/16/2014 11:18 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 17/05/2014 01:14, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426



You are really spending your time well by finding errors in Windows 8,
aren't you? Have you had these problems on your system?



I have never been an MS groupie, but think people are being too hard on
Window 8. Granted the original release was an abortion. With the
release of 8.1 and the 8.1update, it is now a quite useable system. It
can be set up to never see the metro interfaces, gives quite acceptable
performance.

I usually have a half a dozen programs running with additional tabs in
my browser. It handles it nicely. My more problems are with my ISP.

While all of the commonly used parameters are available in Windows 8.1u
by right clicking on the MS Icon on the Desktop screen, they are
arranged differently than in past version, and you do have to learn the
new arrangement. I am getting to like the Start Screen with the
program Icons. You can find what you are looking for just as fast as
the old presentation.

If someone asked me should they upgrade, My answer to day would be
definitely.

I don't have time to spend trying to find problems with Windows 8.1u so
I can cut down MS by posting them on the web.
What do you use Media Center for???. I got that freebee CD Key but I
have not loaded it. Not sure I can find a use.

On 5/17/2014 2:55 AM, Paul wrote:
VMs (x86 on x86) can achieve on the order of 90% of the
performance of native operation. If you use VirtualBox,
you can dedicate more cores to an OS, to enhance
performance. If you're going to do serious VM work,
you'd need to start with a few more cores...

But Vista/7/8 are slower than XP. Meaning if you take Windows 7 on a
single core machine and dial done the CPU clock until the OS is using
50% of CPU just at idle, I get a 666MHz clock speed. So 7 requires about
333MHz just to keep itself alive. Running XP Pro on the same machine
with the CPU clock speed dialed at 666MHz only is using 10% of the CPU.
That is a big difference.

I see this while running my TV tuner. Under XP, it has no problems
running on a dual core machine like this one and also convert the video
in real time and save it as a WMV file. Although while 7/8 has no
problems viewing the video from my TV tuners, they can't also convert in
real time at the same time. As 7/8 will drop frames and stuff.

And I don't see any reason to run XP in a VM and try to do this under
7/8. It is only going to get worse and not better.

[...]
There's no reason to fear updating it for your
own personal use. Do a backup, do 8.1 then U1,
if you get one of the eleven errors, you can
always back out using your backup image. That
was all part of the process for me, when I spent
four hours doing it.

I copied this 8.0 copy and a spare SSD and then updated the spare to
8.1. I didn't run into any of those 11 errors, but I did run into the
following:

1) All gadgets disappeared.

2) Avast 7 was deactivated and the entry was removed from uninstalling
it. And the latest Avast wouldn't install because it says Avast 7 was
installed.

3) Compatibility check reported MS Office 2000 is incompatible. I
haven't found a problem yet.

4) Compatibility reports some of my EA games are incompatible. Didn't
find a problem here either, except I know I can't do a fresh install of
one game since the installer doesn't work with Windows 8.x, 7 works
fine. That is how I got it installed on this machine in the first place.
Installed the game under 7 and then installed 8 without wiping 7 out.

5) Reports Windows Live login is incompatible.

I fixed 1 and 2. Wasting time isn't my idea of fun. :-(

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center

On 5/17/2014 9:05 AM, R. C. White wrote:
Hi, BigAl.

What do you use Media Center for???.

I've been using Windows Media Center since...Win95? Never had an actual
Media Center machine, but added a tuner card for $100 in 2007. Now I
watch TV news and weather and football games on my computer monitor
while my wife watches Dr. Oz on the TV set in the living room or
bedroom. Among other advantages, I can read/write emails during the
commercials. ;) And at the special Win8 price (FREE), it was
irresistible.

MC lets me capture TV shows and movies, just like a DVR, and play them
back - or put them on my hard disk or USB thumb drive, or even onto
DVDs. It can show all my photos and videos, although there are plenty of
other ways to do that, too, such as Photo Gallery, Photoshop Elements
and others. Using a couple of versions of Microsoft's Movie Maker, I've
stitched together my own photos and videos and made amateur home
movies. Media Center is quite versatile, and it could do even more for
me if I had TV cable instead of my antenna; some of my recordings,
especially during bad weather, are garbled in places.

I am in the same boat, but with totally different results and I have
been using USB TV tuners since 2001 I believe. While I have XP Media
Center editions, I never once tried a TV tuner on them. But I do try MC
with 7/8 with them and my machines can't record with the MC with these
Core2 Duo machines. Just not enough horsepower. Using them under XP with
the TV tuner software to record is flawless. I can watch TV with their
software under 7/8 too and that is ok. But not record under 7/8 without
dropouts and stuff.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center

Big Al wrote:

R. C. White said on 5/17/2014 8:52 AM:
Hi, Keith.

Well said!

Microsoft finally got Windows 8 RIGHT! ;)

My Win8.1 Pro w/Media Center is set to boot directly to the desktop.
When I power-up in the morning, I can start Quicken and WLM in about 30
seconds of power-on. (I could set those two most-used programs to start
automatically, of course, but I do like to keep some options for myself
- and sometimes I want to run something else at Startup, such as after
Windows Update installs some new update that requires a reboot.) Fully
updated, because I have WU set to download and let me choose when or
whether to install; so far, I've installed them all.

There are more than a dozen program icons on my Taskbar, and some of
those have Jump Lists, so that I can (for example) start Excel with my
rainfall history already loaded. Windows Media Center is the 8th icon,
so Ctrl+8 starts that, no matter which application may be onscreen at
the time. To search for anything, I just press the Windows key (or
click the Windows icon in the lower left corner) and start typing. Lots
of other good features, some i learned from literature - or from
newsgroups - but many I found by simply exploring. I've not spent much
time looking for things that need fixing. But, then, I'm not trying to
justify calling it "Frankenstein 8". That's Todd's shtick. ;^{

Perfect? Of course not. But I don't have many complaints now.

I like the current Win8! ;)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message ...

On 5/16/2014 11:18 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 17/05/2014 01:14, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426




You are really spending your time well by finding errors in Windows 8,
aren't you? Have you had these problems on your system?



I have never been an MS groupie, but think people are being too hard on
Window 8. Granted the original release was an abortion. With the
release of 8.1 and the 8.1update, it is now a quite useable system. It
can be set up to never see the metro interfaces, gives quite acceptable
performance.

I usually have a half a dozen programs running with additional tabs in
my browser. It handles it nicely. My more problems are with my ISP.

While all of the commonly used parameters are available in Windows 8.1u
by right clicking on the MS Icon on the Desktop screen, they are
arranged differently than in past version, and you do have to learn the
new arrangement. I am getting to like the Start Screen with the
program Icons. You can find what you are looking for just as fast as
the old presentation.

If someone asked me should they upgrade, My answer to day would be
definitely.

I don't have time to spend trying to find problems with Windows 8.1u so
I can cut down MS by posting them on the web.
What do you use Media Center for???. I got that freebee CD Key but I
have not loaded it. Not sure I can find a use.

If you don't have a TV tuner card, turning on the (free at the time)
Media Center option, adds two CODECs to your machine. That gives
you DVD decoding support. So that's what I got out of the deal.
MC doesn't support my TV tuner, and so I got a grand total of
two new CODECs.

If I have a (non-commercial) movie ISO on disk, I mount it
and point at a VOB, I can play that VOB in Windows Media Player.
(Because I now have the CODEC to decode a VOB.) Without MC,
I would just download VLC and play it that way. There are
plenty of ways to get libAVCODEC/FFMPEG derived DVD playing
capabilities.

If I purchased a TV Tuner card with the Media Center
labeling on the box, I would be assured of being able
to record TV with that tuner card. With my copy of
Media Center. Acquiring Media Center now, costs money.
(On Windows 7, it was bundled for more people.
Windows 8 is a step backwards, at least for anyone
who records TV.)

Paul

On 05/16/2014 05:14 PM, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426


Hi All,

I noticed my suppliers have Frankenstein 8.1 (F8.1)
OEM, but not with F8.1U1 yet. When that comes out,
it will make it a lot easier to wipe and reinstall.

Of course, you will have to pay for the disk, despite
previous of F8 and M$ still have to work out all the
bugs in Update 1

-T

BillW50 wrote:
On 5/16/2014 7:14 PM, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426



Yes, this is the same patch that Microsoft was going to use as a
"baseline" for all future Windows 8.1 patches: Up until Monday
of this week, Microsoft's official, oft-repeated policy demanded
that customers install KB 2919355 if they wanted any future
Windows 8.1 security patches. Fortunately, on May 12 cooler
heads prevailed and Microsoft informed Windows 8.1 customers
that the threatened Windows 8.1 patch cutoff was a paper tiger
-- those who didn't get Windows 8.1 Update/KB2919322 installed
by May 13 would continue to receive updates for another month,
until Black Tuesday June 9.

Huh? What is this about? The machines that I have 8.0 installed on will
be stuck at 8.0 if I don't update them before June 9th?


They won't be stuck. Each update is a "pre-requisite"
to receive fresh Windows Update security updates. That's all.
Microsoft doesn't want to support multiple streams (like keep
supporting raw 8.0 forever, as well as 8.1, and make patches
for each forever). The cost to Microsoft is the verification
testing. Making the actual patches themselves, probably
isn't all that hard. But replicating the automated test
for each stream, costs money and space.

So when a June 9 or later comes along, you install '355, bring
yourself up to U1, wait for the reboot to finish, go to Windows Update,
and security updates to U1 will be offered. And when U2 comes out
some day, U1 will be deprecated, and the U2 update will be required
before you see some new security updates.

And it's not physically hard to do. Go to Windows Update,
accept whatever tick boxes are there, do the update,
reboot, rinse and repeat, until no updates are left to
do. It's not like there is a lot of thinking involved.
The process is self-bootstrapping. Guys like me, we
keep some of those necessary files locally, to avoid having
to download them again after a reinstall. But you don't
have to do that. As long as you have a fat Internet connection,
it's just "click and walk away", over and over, until
no new updates are offered.

If you want to run 8.0 forever you can, in the same way we
run WinXP forever without the help of Microsoft. And they
get you in other ways, like make a new layer of .NET they
give to all the developers, that only works on 8.1 U1 etc.
There's always a trick, a boot in the ass, to keep you
moving in the preferred sheeple direction, whatever that
is. That's why I say, when you buy Windows 8, you're
buying into a business strategy, drinking the koolaid,
not just acquiring an OS. You're along for the ride.
The strategy is "we want you in the App Store, we want
a percentage of *every* software purchase you make, to
add to our coffers".

It's not like previous OSes, where the features were
more or less frozen. They're still screwing around
with the GUI, and Microsoft are pretending they're
Apple or something. I've worked in a company that
used to do **** like that - "we're doing X, because
successful company Y does it that way, not because
it makes sense". Nobody seems to be able to carve out
their own success strategy, and instead poorly copy
the efforts of someone else. They must teach this
in business school somewhere :-( "When your competitor
is perceived as better at something, simply copy
them and get some of the details wrong..." That's what
my company used to do.

Paul

BillW50 wrote, On 5/17/2014 9:54 AM:
On 5/16/2014 7:14 PM, Todd wrote:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft...b-2919355-2426



Yes, this is the same patch that Microsoft was going to use as a
"baseline" for all future Windows 8.1 patches: Up until Monday
of this week, Microsoft's official, oft-repeated policy demanded
that customers install KB 2919355 if they wanted any future
Windows 8.1 security patches. Fortunately, on May 12 cooler
heads prevailed and Microsoft informed Windows 8.1 customers
that the threatened Windows 8.1 patch cutoff was a paper tiger
-- those who didn't get Windows 8.1 Update/KB2919322 installed
by May 13 would continue to receive updates for another month,
until Black Tuesday June 9.

Huh? What is this about? The machines that I have 8.0 installed on will
be stuck at 8.0 if I don't update them before June 9th?

No, you're misinterpreting the mandatory update applicability for 8.0
and 8.1

8.0 lifecycle (end of support) for program and security updates
(announced in Oct 2013) is October 2015 (two years after 8.1 release
consistent with timing for past Service Pack releases for prior
operating systems)

8.1 requires (after June 9) to be updated to 8.1 Update (aka 8.1 Update
1) to receive program and security updates.

i.e
- 8.0 will continue to be offered program and security updates until
Oct. 2015 when 8.1 will be necessary.
- 8.1 on the other hand needs to be updated to 8.1 Update by June.



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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps