Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8

Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out.

Win 98 good
Win Me bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the end.

--
Alias

Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8


Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out.

Win 98 good
Win Me bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the
end.


That'd open the flood-gates.
Just imagine if you took Windows out of the market. What would happen?

My answer; You'd get lots and lots of people taking up the Win skeleton
and tailoring it. The market would become overflowing with competing
versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers,
who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell
outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in
and bring them to order.

At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.

Ed

On 7/27/2014 6:32 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

While I have used tablets since around 2000, I knew virtually nothing
about Windows tablets. So I decided that I had to start learning. My
first one back in 2012 was a Windows 7 tablet. There wasn't many Windows
8 tablets yet, so I bought two of them. One I installed Windows 8.

Both were a great crash course to Windows 7 and 8 tablets. But I needed
more knowledge about Windows tablets. So I purchased Windows 3.1 and
Windows XP tablets too. So I could see where it got started and see
where it is going.

And I can tell you there is no difference between a Windows tablet and a
Windows desktop. Applications are the same, the Windows kernel is the
same, keyboards are the same, mice, external monitors, etc. are all of
the same.

If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.

If a Windows desktop and a Windows tablet is the same, why divide them
up? That is what Apple has done and the two are not compatible with each
other. As the OS is different, applications are different, etc. I see no
reason whatsoever to divide them up. Look at Linux, it is divided up
into over 300 distros. That doesn't help Linux whatsoever. No developer
wants to support 300+ distros, let alone two different Windows versions.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center

BillW50 wrote in :

Subject: Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
From: BillW50
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8

On 7/27/2014 6:32 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

While I have used tablets since around 2000, I knew virtually nothing
about Windows tablets. So I decided that I had to start learning. My
first one back in 2012 was a Windows 7 tablet. There wasn't many Windows
8 tablets yet, so I bought two of them. One I installed Windows 8.


Why wouuld anyone car about this?

On 7/27/2014 12:19 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:
BillW50 wrote in :

Subject: Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
From: BillW50
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8

On 7/27/2014 6:32 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

While I have used tablets since around 2000, I knew virtually nothing
about Windows tablets. So I decided that I had to start learning. My
first one back in 2012 was a Windows 7 tablet. There wasn't many Windows
8 tablets yet, so I bought two of them. One I installed Windows 8.

Why wouuld anyone car about this?

Any who cares about Windows tablets of course. And a Windows desktop and
a Windows tablet are the same. Same OS, applications, keyboards, mice, etc.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center

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On 7/27/2014 12:19 PM, Zaky Waky wrote:
BillW50 wrote in :

Subject: Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted
From: BillW50
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8

On 7/27/2014 6:32 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt
about
it. But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

While I have used tablets since around 2000, I knew virtually nothing
about Windows tablets. So I decided that I had to start learning. My
first one back in 2012 was a Windows 7 tablet. There wasn't many Windows
8 tablets yet, so I bought two of them. One I installed Windows 8.

Why wouuld anyone car about this?

Any who cares about Windows tablets of course. And a Windows desktop and a
Windows tablet are the same. Same OS, applications, keyboards, mice, etc.

If you're speaking of the current crop of Windows tablets, there is a
difference. Some run Windows RT which is not the same as a "regular"
version of Windows.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:32:24 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.

They're nearly the same so why try to split them? What MS should be
doing is making them even more alike.

Steve

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SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com
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In the last episode of ,
Stephen Wolstenholme said:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:32:24 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.

They're nearly the same so why try to split them? What MS should be
doing is making them even more alike.

Ironically Windows 8.1u1 does a very very good job of this, but it gets
lumped into the people that tried Windows 8, weren't smart enough to
figure it out and throw tantrums.

Luckily for Microsoft, this means they've fleshed out the issues and
Windows 9 will likely be a hit since it reboots people's expectations,
and people who haven't tried 8 since 8.0 RTM will compare their memory
with Windows 9, find it's usable and be happy.

That being said, Windows 8 did sacrifice a lot of what people expected
out of the desktop for the sake of trying to force people to try the
Modern UI, without having a complete experience on the Modern UI, and it
just didn't work unless you were on a touch screen. But as I said, 8.1u1
has smoothed over these rough edges and is very usable even on a
keyboard+mouse driven desktop environment.

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If you cannot convince them, confuse them.

DevilsPGD écrivait
:

In the last episode of ,
Stephen Wolstenholme said:

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:32:24 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.

They're nearly the same so why try to split them? What MS should be
doing is making them even more alike.

Ironically Windows 8.1u1 does a very very good job of this, but it gets
lumped into the people that tried Windows 8, weren't smart enough to
figure it out and throw tantrums.

Luckily for Microsoft, this means they've fleshed out the issues and
Windows 9 will likely be a hit since it reboots people's expectations,
and people who haven't tried 8 since 8.0 RTM will compare their memory
with Windows 9, find it's usable and be happy.

That being said, Windows 8 did sacrifice a lot of what people expected
out of the desktop for the sake of trying to force people to try the
Modern UI, without having a complete experience on the Modern UI, and it
just didn't work unless you were on a touch screen. But as I said, 8.1u1
has smoothed over these rough edges and is very usable even on a
keyboard+mouse driven desktop environment.


I think it's the best; so far on my desktop. The main complaint seems to be
the lack of "Start Menu"; it's there, it just needs to be "enabled
(created)".

In the last episode of ,
Dominique said:

I think it's the best; so far on my desktop. The main complaint seems to be
the lack of "Start Menu"; it's there, it just needs to be "enabled
(created)".

There is a start menu, it's just using big squares instead of a list
with icons. It's a lot more flexible in Windows 8.1u1 too.

At least that's how I look at it, prior to my Surface I used the Modern
UI as just a launcher, and it worked just fine for that on a
multiple-massive-monitor desktop setup.

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Ed Cryer wrote:
Alias wrote:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...rget_Windows_8



Even Vista did better.

Of course, this is in line with MS' good/bad, good/bad Windows roll out.

Win 98 good
Win Me bad
XP good
Vista bad
7 good
8 bad

9? If it becomes a rental in the cloud, so much for Windows; that's the
end.


That'd open the flood-gates.
Just imagine if you took Windows out of the market. What would happen?

My answer; You'd get lots and lots of people taking up the Win skeleton
and tailoring it.

MS would sue and win. Not gonna happen.

The market would become overflowing with competing
versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers,
who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell
outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in
and bring them to order.

At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it.

Not true. They are a fad an low Ipad sales prove it.

But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.


If MS can split Win into two; one for PCs, one for tablets, then they'll
get back on track.

Ed



They will rent Windows in the cloud. Don't pay the rent, you can't get
in. They will claim security, access from any device, yada, yada, yada.
Windows is history. I'm glad I know how to use Linux.

--
Alias

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:01:31 +0200, Alias
wrote:

Windows is history. I'm glad I know how to use Linux.

Do you know every Linux variety? I gave up trying to write software
for Linux as nobody wants to pay for it.

Steve

--
Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com
EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com
SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com
JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:01:31 +0200, Alias
wrote:

Windows is history. I'm glad I know how to use Linux.

Do you know every Linux variety?

Of course not.

I gave up trying to write software
for Linux as nobody wants to pay for it.

If you could write something similar to Outlook that uses HTML properly
and does multiple signatures, I bet you could sell it to corporate users
and some home or small business users. Evolution was a failure but they
tried ...

The money in Linux is in tech support more than anything else.

--
Alias

On 27/07/2014 17:50, Alias wrote:

If you could write something similar to Outlook that uses HTML
properly and does multiple signatures, I bet you could sell it to
corporate users and some home or small business users. Evolution was a
failure but they tried ...

And tax and accounting software.

Also, hardware manufacturers should create Linux drivers and put them in
disks with the hardware and available online on their website. There
should also be a database of all hardware and their Linux drivers which
people can search for and download.

On 07/27/2014 12:40 PM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:01:31 +0200, Alias
wrote:

Windows is history. I'm glad I know how to use Linux.

Do you know every Linux variety? I gave up trying to write software
for Linux as nobody wants to pay for it.

Steve


Do a search it has been proven when a good cross platform pay what you
think it's worth program is offered Linux users donate larger sums than
Windows/Apple users.

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Caver1