Why Only On One PC?

By the way, automobile license plates are a product maufactured in most states
by the prison population. Do you transfer the plate to multiple cars?
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
You are doing nothing but arguing semantics. Do you buy one automobile
license
and use it on several cars?

A car is a product. MS says their software is a product. Automobile licenses
are not products.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Jone Doe" wrote

gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use
one
of
the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an operating
system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but rented
or
leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms of use
of
the
system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the internet
after
all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros and
ones to
do something useful, copyright it, and sell it.

Then why does Microsoft call it a "product"??? A banana is a product,
isn't
it? One pays for a product and one can do whatever one wants to unless
it's
computer software? And don't tell me they don't call their software a
product rather than a license because I just read on my legitimate copy
of
XP Pro where there is an email for *product* support, not *rental*
support.

No wonder MS has never taken anyone to court; they'd lose.

Alias

Yes indeed, I would really like to know what your lawyer has to say about
this. Please get his verbiage and post it here.
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
Like I said semantics. Why don't you ask a lawyer?

You don't want to know what my lawyer has to say about this. It's *not*
semantics. Words have definitions, both in a connotative and dennotative
sense.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
You are doing nothing but arguing semantics. Do you buy one automobile
license
and use it on several cars?

A car is a product. MS says their software is a product. Automobile
licenses
are not products.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Jone Doe" wrote

gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to
use
one
of
the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an
operating
system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but
rented
or
leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms of
use
of
the
system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the internet
after
all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros and
ones to
do something useful, copyright it, and sell it.

Then why does Microsoft call it a "product"??? A banana is a
product,
isn't
it? One pays for a product and one can do whatever one wants to
unless
it's
computer software? And don't tell me they don't call their software
a
product rather than a license because I just read on my legitimate
copy
of
XP Pro where there is an email for *product* support, not *rental*
support.

No wonder MS has never taken anyone to court; they'd lose.

Alias

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
By the way, automobile license plates are a product maufactured in most
states
by the prison population. Do you transfer the plate to multiple cars?

Using your comparision, the driver would be the computer and yes, more than
one person can drive a car.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
You are doing nothing but arguing semantics. Do you buy one automobile
license
and use it on several cars?

A car is a product. MS says their software is a product. Automobile
licenses
are not products.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Jone Doe" wrote

gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to
use
one
of
the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an
operating
system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but
rented
or
leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms of
use
of
the
system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the internet
after
all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros and
ones to
do something useful, copyright it, and sell it.

Then why does Microsoft call it a "product"??? A banana is a
product,
isn't
it? One pays for a product and one can do whatever one wants to
unless
it's
computer software? And don't tell me they don't call their software
a
product rather than a license because I just read on my legitimate
copy
of
XP Pro where there is an email for *product* support, not *rental*
support.

No wonder MS has never taken anyone to court; they'd lose.

Alias

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
Yes indeed, I would really like to know what your lawyer has to say about
this. Please get his verbiage and post it here.

Trust me, you don't want to hear it.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
Like I said semantics. Why don't you ask a lawyer?

You don't want to know what my lawyer has to say about this. It's *not*
semantics. Words have definitions, both in a connotative and dennotative
sense.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Unknown" wrote in message
gy.com...
You are doing nothing but arguing semantics. Do you buy one
automobile
license
and use it on several cars?

A car is a product. MS says their software is a product. Automobile
licenses
are not products.

Alias
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Jone Doe" wrote

gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana
to
use
one
of
the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an
operating
system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se, but
rented
or
leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the terms
of
use
of
the
system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who invented the
internet
after
all, and come up with a system that uses binary codes of zeros
and
ones to
do something useful, copyright it, and sell it.

Then why does Microsoft call it a "product"??? A banana is a
product,
isn't
it? One pays for a product and one can do whatever one wants to
unless
it's
computer software? And don't tell me they don't call their
software
a
product rather than a license because I just read on my
legitimate
copy
of
XP Pro where there is an email for *product* support, not
*rental*
support.

No wonder MS has never taken anyone to court; they'd lose.

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message ...
"Crusty "Old B@stard"" wrote


Microsoft has the right to allow what it wants. They own the programs. You
are licensed to use them, or not, under their terms.

--
Regards:

Richard Urban


Yeah, kinda like a streetwalker.

Alias

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)


wrote in message
...
Hi. Just wondering why doesn't Microsoft let you install
Windows XP and Office 2003 on two PC's? I think they
should at least let you install them on two PC's. They
let you do it for one desktop on one laptop right?
Thanks, Craig.


Hello, I disagree with the statements in several respects.
1. Any company manufacturing, selling products in the U.S. needs to
conform to U.S. regulations and laws concerning that product, these
regulations and laws can and are changed for many reasons.
2. Each state has its own regulations and laws. Some are superseded
and some are not by federal law.
3. Then there is private litigation, which includes class action law
suits.
Microsoft has agreed to play in this ballpark. If the rules change to
benefit the consumer such as "the O.S. can be placed on two units" if
Microsoft does not want to follow this law then Microsoft can pick up
its marbles and stop selling in the U.S.
Most large companies have a lock on #'s1 and 2 "sounds like bodily
functions",
reason for the lock access to politicos. Both state and federal.
The #3 item should be considered the easiest of the three.
This is being changed by the large and small companies and their
political allies and will not be as fruitful as it once was in the
recent past.
I like to think that powerful companies "Goliath" can and do meet a
"David" once in a while.
Following is not germane: Microsoft is one of the few companies that
provides a extremely good level of support.
I know that some of the above is implied in the post concerning this
subject.

Take Care.
beamish.

wrote:

Just wondering why doesn't Microsoft let you install
Windows XP and Office 2003 on two PC's? I think they
should at least let you install them on two PC's. They
let you do it for one desktop on one laptop right?

The do not for Windows and never have. There is a specific concession
for *retail* copies of Office, only, to install on a desktop and that
desktop's owners' personal laptop.

As to why - that is their commercial judgement. You may not like it, or
even think it sound from their viewpoint, but you have to go along or
else not use the product


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

Can't agree with that Bruce. I moved a Nic card from one slot to another,
then came that nasty notice that I had to authenticate again, and as you
no doubt know, the new authentication did not go through at all! It required a phone
call and a waste of about five minutes time to call, explain, then copy and install a
loooooong string of numbers. Excuse me, but like so
many others who have shelled out a gob of hard cash, that tends to tweak
one's jaw a little bit. After that, and many thanks to one who shall remain nameless, I
learned to use Vol ID in a manner that avoids that hassle.

You and the others who derive a living from installing, fixing, selling or trouble
shooting ms software, to the tune of about $125 an hour I'd guess,
are not seeing the forest for the trees.


"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

You still haven't demonstrated how WPA causes any inconvenience to
bonafide users. WPA is almost entirely automatic and invisible to the
typical user. How is this inconvenient? WPA is, in fact, a lot more
"convenient" than a lot of other copy protection methods used by other
software manufacturers.

Bruce Chambers
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. - RAH


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Crusty "Old B@stard"" wrote in
message
...
Yes! They make it inconvenient to put it on your wife's computer
when you
have already put it on your computer.

--
Regards:

Richard Urban

aka Crusty (-: Old B@stard :-)

Upgrading your computer is an inconvenience too but only for
bonafide users.
People who use cracked versions are not inconvenienced by the fact
that MS
dictates that XP can only be installed on one computer.

Terrific PR, this one.

Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Greetings --

This bonafide user isn't the least bit upset that Microsoft
has
finally started to take steps (baby steps, with WPA, granted)
to put a
stop to software piracy. I also know better than trying to
compare
the license usage of copyrighted intellectual property with a
banana.

Bruce Chambers

Just curious, who invented this "license usage"? Microsoft, per
chance?
WPA
does not stop piracy. The *only* thing it does is inconvenience
bonafide
customers.

Alias
--
Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count
on
having both at once. - RAH


"Alias" wrote in message
...


Somehow, I don't think that every product carries rules of
usage
with them.
For example, a banana. Chiquita Banana could care less if two
people
eat it,
no one eats it or you use it as a dildo and then smoke the
peels.
After all
you *did* pay for the product and it is therefore *yours*.
Unfortunately,
the rules of usage for an MS OS doesn't stop piracy and only
gets
bonafide
customers upset with Microsoft for the inconvenience and
probably
don't have
much sympathy with MS' excuse that they're "losing money to
piracy"
when
their CEO is the richest man in the world.

Alias

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.

It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.

"Plato" |@|.| wrote

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.

It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.

Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that?

Alias

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.

It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.

"Plato" |@|.| wrote

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.

It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.

Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that?

Alias

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.

It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.

"Plato" |@|.| wrote

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.

It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.

Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that?

Alias

Alias wrote:

Are you serious? Regardless of the reason, WPA is an inconvenience for
bonafide users and isn't one for users of cracked versions.

It appears that you have not fully comprehended Bruce's post. Get off
your bong for a few days and read it again.

Hm, an ad hominem attack. Can't you do better than that?

[grin] I'm not much of a flamer so sorry, it's the best I can muster

"Miss Perspicacia Tick" wrote in message
...
Jone Doe wrote:
gigantic snip of whining

Windows XP operating system is not like an orange, or a banana to use
one of the more ridiculous examples from an earlier post. It is an
operating system, an intellectual property that is not sold per se,
but rented or leased to be used in one system. If you don't like the
terms of use of the system, don't use it. Get with Al Gore, who
invented the internet after all, and come up with a system that uses
binary codes of zeros and ones to do something useful, copyright it,
and sell it.


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Al Gore?! You mean Al Gore as in the ex-vice president?! I don't *THINK*
so!
The internet started life in 1969 as ARPANET (Advanced Research Projects
Agency NETwork) which went live in October of that year (my US history is
a
little hazy, but I believe Richard Nixon was president at the time. Al
Gore
would have been 21 at the time. In '69 he was at Harvard studying
politics).

The WWW, OTOH, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit working at CERN
(the
European Particle Physics lab in Geneva) in 1980. He invented HTTP and
HTML
in 1990. For more info, see http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/lee.html.




http://www.governmentexecutive.com/d...9/031299t1.htm

March 12, 1999
Did Al Gore invent the Internet?

By Rebecca S. Weiner, National Journal's
Technology Daily




House Majority Leader Richard Armey, R-Texas, lampooned Vice President Al
Gore Thursday for telling an interviewer that he "took the initiative in
creating the Internet."

"If the Vice President created the Internet then I created the Interstate
highway system," Armey said in a statement released by his office Thursday.
"Both were begun during the Eisenhower Administration and I think Ike
actually deserves a little credit here."

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in
creating the Internet," Gore said during an interview with CNN's Wolf
Blitzer, according to a CNN transcript.

Gore, who leads for the Democratic presidential nomination, has made
technology his trademark issue.

"Vice President Gore first popularized the term 'Information Superhighway'
more than 20 years ago and stands on the shoulders of great thinkers who
created the foundation for what is now the Internet," a Gore spokeswoman
said.

In fact, both men have rewritten a bit of history.

The precursor to the Internet, a Defense Department project called ARPANet,
was begun in 1969 under Richard Nixon's administration. That was seven years
before Gore was first elected to the House of Representatives.

The Interstate Highway system was indeed begun when Eisenhower was
president - and one of its prime architects was Gore's father, Sen. Albert
Gore, Sr. D-Tenn.


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