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  #46  
Old January 11th 05, 03:11 AM
Bruce Chambers
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Grenkor Den wrote:
How Microsoft scan for pirated XP ?




If they could, do you honestly think that they'd advertise the
capability? Just to be safe, go buy a legitimate license.


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  #47  
Old January 11th 05, 03:21 AM
David Candy
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I come from a long line of criminals. We soon graduated to controlling =
the state as well. Transported to Australia for life, sleazed out on =
license almost straight away (lifers normally had to wait 12 years). Get =
caught again. Get transported to Norfolk Island. Get put in charge of =
Norfolk Island (like a governor).=20

(etcetera, etcetera, etcetera now jump 100 years)

Be Commissioner For Trams. But everyone who works for the trams has to =
pay you a fee weekly. Pesky parliament starts a Royal Commision into =
corruption (but who cares we already built tram lines to where family =
interests are - like Royal Randwick - our racing club - needed to get =
the punters there - we owned the first Melbourne Cup winner too).

(100 years of law abiding behaviour of this branch of the family - but =
me mum's branch are bookies)

My dad, who lets the team down a bit, could only get tax evasion. And =
that was political rebellion (he converted to the right from the left) =
not criminal. Though some race fixing took place (as my dad worked with =
my maternal grandfather as a bookie on weekends) and they would get paid =
to enter false bets.

Jupiter should chill out or I'll have to steal his computer. What was =
your address again JJ, I forgot to send you a christmas card.
--=20
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http://www.uscricket.com
"ByTor" wrote in message =
...
In article , "David Candy" ., =

=20
says...
=20
It was
=20
Please sir, can I have some more. MOOOOOOOOOORE
=20
I do good impersonations of that line from the movie. Kids love it.
=20
=20

=20
Or better yet......Yoooooooooou gotta pick a pocket or two!!!

  #48  
Old January 11th 05, 04:57 AM
Al Smith
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I hope that Microsoft is able to fix the problem because it raises prices
for legitimate users as well as hurting the computer industry.


Oh, for heaven sake! Please! Is there anybody alive who actually
believes this? Come on.

Illegitimate copies of Windows and Office are what made Microsoft
the dominant player in the software market. They are in large
measure responsible for Microsoft being able to hang onto their
market share. They don't cost Microsoft *anything* -- just the
opposite, they increase sales numbers of legitimate copies of
Microsoft software.

How can this be, the three people in the world ask who actually
believe the piracy hype that Microsoft has been spewing. It's this
way ...

By putting more copies of Windows into more hands, Microsoft is
able to keep those users from becoming familiar with alternatives.
These aren't people who would buy Windows in any case, so
Microsoft doesn't lose any money -- they are *future* buyers of
Windows. By making Windows easy to copy and install, they insure
that it is on the systems of those who cannot afford (right now)
to buy software, and down the line those same people will buy what
they have become familiar with, and what they have learned to rely
on. Having free, illegitimate, copies of Windows floating around
makes it very hard for competitors to gain market share. Linux
would be much bigger on desktops if people actually had to pay for
Windows. They don't, and they never have had to pay.

The truth is, the more anti-piracy protection Microsoft builds
into Windows, the more they hurt their own dominant market posture.
  #49  
Old January 11th 05, 04:59 AM
Al Smith
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I've noticed a "laxadasical" attitude in some people towards the spelling
and pronunciation of "lackadaisical."


Some are pretty "lacks" about that sort of thing.
  #50  
Old January 11th 05, 05:01 AM
Al Smith
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And piracy has nothing to do with price. There are pirated versions
of $5 shareware utilities available from the warez sites.


And isn't "piracy" a great public relations term to use for the
unauthorized duplication of software? Piracy! "Arrrr, Jim-boy,
hoist the Jolly Roger, we be going to rape and pillage Redmond
today. Arrrr!"
  #51  
Old January 11th 05, 05:04 AM
Al Smith
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You many call it theft by name but not according to the UK law. It is
"copyrite violation".

If this became theft in law, and was a criminal offence, I believe that this
would actually cut piracy alot.


You complain about the inappropriate application of the word
"theft" to software copyright violation, yet you use the word
"piracy" for the same thing? Pot. Kettle. Black.
  #52  
Old January 11th 05, 06:54 AM
JW
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for students it's even cheaper, if enrollment can be validated.

when i was a student, i got XP Prof Upgrade retail box (non-OEM) for
$87.95, and got the non-student Office XP Professional with Access
retail box (non-OEM) for $189.95, all from a dealer authorized by MS to
sell to students.

but that did not persuade fellow students from trying to acquire stolen
copies. these people even go to great lengths to photocopy entire
books, so they can save $5 more than I did by buying the text and
selling it used to another student the next semester. even $4.95 would
be too much to pay for software for people who believe in "moral
relativism" (e.g. lieing, stealing, cheating, and adultery are all terms
that mean different things to different people).

I met a guy in Philippines who was quite proud of the fact he shot a
thief in the rear end while fleeing the house, but doesn't think twice
about stealing software on Thursday, stealing music on Friday, buying
stolen movies on Saturday, and going to church on Sunday to sing praises
and ask for God's blessings. One man's theft is another man's bargain.

the world will always be full of thieves, cheaters, and hypocrites.




Leythos wrote:
In article ,
says...

So this chap would rather spend his time trying to cheat Microsoft and not
just spend the time to do legitimate work so that he could buy a legal copy.
I may be financially strapped at times but it does not override my moral
code of resorting to stealing even if Microsoft is indeed charging too much
for their software.



And with OEM XP Prof at about $99 and MS Office 2003 (with Access) OEM
for $241, it's about as cheap as you can get. Even Adobe Acrobat (full,
not reader) costs more than Office 2003.

  #53  
Old January 11th 05, 09:35 AM
David Candy
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Was that too technical? This is our public discource in Australia. Yanks =
talk abortion and killing and we talk microeconomic reform. I'm not =
sure who to pity.

--=20
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message =
...
David;
It seems like you are suggesting countries outside the US do not care =

about=20
IP?
If that is true, there is far less incentive to create it.
Perhaps that is one of the reasons a US company is so interested in IP =


rights.
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--=20
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
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=20
"David Candy" . wrote in message=20
...
But alias is right. It is a US thing. The US government is busy =

coercing=20
other countries into adopting US law. In Australia, copyright holders =

were=20
just given a 20 year free extension of copyright (from 50 years after =

death=20
to 70 years) at the instigation of the US government.
=20
Remember IP is anti capitalist. MS is attempting to become the =

rentiers=20
rather than capitalists. Capitalism replaced rents and the system was =

called=20
feudal. That why marxist don't rail against rentiers, we thought they =

were=20
long gone.
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IP is only a legal fiction that rentiers use to extort money from =

others. IP=20
is actually a crime of theft.
--=20
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message=20
...
Your feeble attempts to justify theft are noted and likely reflective =

on
you.

People work hard for their intellectual property just as others do in =


other
fields.
They deserve to be paid what they ask or the buyer simply chooses to =

go
elsewhere same as other fields.

I suppose you take charity, fruits of others efforts and contribute
nothing?
Or do you sell a product or service and yet seem to deny others the =

same
simply because it is intellectual property?
Good of you to judge that others can't sell at a fair price something =

you
are unable to provide for yourself.
Perhaps we should arbitrarily let others steal whatever you have with =

no
punishment even if caught!

--=20
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote
:
: Please show a source that shows the Spanish courst supporting =

"people
: copying friends' software" as fair use.
:
: --=20
: Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www.bufetalmeida.com/sentencias/sentencias.html

Gotta be able to read Spanish, though, as I am not going to =

translate it
for
you. Babelfish will give you an idea, though. Yaknow, the rest of =

the
world
isn't as rich as the USA, nor is it as anal about intellectual =

property
rights, especially with software rip off houses that are obscenely =

rich
from
selling their overpriced software. Some would call the software =

houses
attempts to stop "piracy" as "greedy" but YMMV.
--=20
Alias

Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email =

me.

Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.

: "Alias" wrote

: More like the high prices give rise to pirtated versions being
profitable
: and people copying friends' software because they can't afford =

to pay
MS'
: high prices. Some people call using pirated versions due to =

economic
: necesity stealing, others, like the Spanish courts, call that =

fair
use.
: The
: reason MS charges so much has nothing to do with piracy and=20
everything
to
: do
: with "because they can".
: --=20
: Alias
:
: Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to =

email
me.
:
: Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
:
:
:
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  #54  
Old January 11th 05, 11:21 AM
Alias
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
: Grenkor Den wrote:
: How Microsoft scan for pirated XP ?
:
:
:
:
: If they could, do you honestly think that they'd advertise the
: capability? Just to be safe, go buy a legitimate license.
:
:
: --
:
: Bruce Chambers

We know you wouldn't tell. Even if they could, it would take a warrant to do
it legally and we all know that Microsoft wouldn't do anything illegal, now
don't we? Course, to answer the OPs question, no they can't or people I know
who have gone to Windows and Office Updates wouldn't have had their pirated
software updated.
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  #55  
Old January 11th 05, 03:25 PM
Dan
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Alias, I actually know of cases with people in the past with people using a
pirated copy of XP and not being able to update to Service Pack II because
the Windows Update tells them they must contact Microsoft because their
license does not appear to be genuine. I do not know if this was the exact
wording but they couldn't get all the updates because they had a pirated XP.
Do you think there is anything wrong with Microsoft doing this to them when
they are clearly in violation of the EULA?

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
: Grenkor Den wrote:
: How Microsoft scan for pirated XP ?
:
:
:
:
: If they could, do you honestly think that they'd advertise the
: capability? Just to be safe, go buy a legitimate license.
:
:
: --
:
: Bruce Chambers

We know you wouldn't tell. Even if they could, it would take a warrant to

do
it legally and we all know that Microsoft wouldn't do anything illegal,

now
don't we? Course, to answer the OPs question, no they can't or people I

know
who have gone to Windows and Office Updates wouldn't have had their

pirated
software updated.
--
Alias

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Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.




  #56  
Old January 11th 05, 03:47 PM
Alias
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"Dan" wrote in message
...
: Alias, I actually know of cases with people in the past with people using
a
: pirated copy of XP and not being able to update to Service Pack II because
: the Windows Update tells them they must contact Microsoft because their
: license does not appear to be genuine. I do not know if this was the
exact
: wording but they couldn't get all the updates because they had a pirated
XP.
: Do you think there is anything wrong with Microsoft doing this to them
when
: they are clearly in violation of the EULA?

If in Spain, they are not in violation of the law and the law has precedence
over MS's scammy EULAs. You're right, though, there are some product keys
that have been used so much, MS has them in their database on WU.

Don't get me wrong, I don't use anything but software that is legit and that
I purchased. This doesn't mean that I don't understand and empathize with
those who don't.
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Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
:
: "Alias" wrote in message
: ...
:
: "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
: ...
: : Grenkor Den wrote:
: : How Microsoft scan for pirated XP ?
: :
: :
: :
: :
: : If they could, do you honestly think that they'd advertise the
: : capability? Just to be safe, go buy a legitimate license.
: :
: :
: : --
: :
: : Bruce Chambers
:
: We know you wouldn't tell. Even if they could, it would take a warrant
to
: do
: it legally and we all know that Microsoft wouldn't do anything illegal,
: now
: don't we? Course, to answer the OPs question, no they can't or people I
: know
: who have gone to Windows and Office Updates wouldn't have had their
: pirated
: software updated.
: --
: Alias
:
: Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
:
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:
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  #57  
Old January 11th 05, 05:14 PM
Dan
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snipped for space

Don't get me wrong, I don't use anything but software that is legit and

that
I purchased. This doesn't mean that I don't understand and empathize with
those who don't.
--
Alias


I see what you are saying Alias and I fortunately have never been so poor
that I could not afford Microsoft products. However, I still think taking
is wrong in this sense and think that the thief should have to repay
seven-fold when caught. It is not like we are talking about food, clothing,
and shelter which are the neccessities of survival. We are talking about
computers which I still see as a luxury and a really nice tool. The same is
true of cell-phones. They are great but we can live without them. If
someone carefully tracks all their spending and budgets their money then I
believe the American Dream that they can prosper and have Life, Liberty and
Happiness. I think this can be true in Spain as well. Remember, to be
faithful in much one must be faithful in a little and it is helpful to be
faithful in what is anothers. Have a great day and thanks for sharing and
helping me understand where you are coming from. I appreciate hearing the
other side of debates.


  #58  
Old January 11th 05, 05:25 PM
Alias
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"Dan" wrote
:
: snipped for space
:
: Don't get me wrong, I don't use anything but software that is legit and
: that
: I purchased. This doesn't mean that I don't understand and empathize
with
: those who don't.
: --
: Alias
:
: I see what you are saying Alias and I fortunately have never been so poor
: that I could not afford Microsoft products.

I have and it wasn't until I got a second hand computer with a pirated
version of Win 95 and Office 97 on it that I was able to change my economic
situation. I would call that surviving and nowadays is as essential as food,
clothing and shelter. YMMV but being as you've never been poor, you
obviously don't know what it's like and it ain't pleasant, especially if
you, like me, have children to feed, clothe and shelter.
--
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However, I still think taking
: is wrong in this sense and think that the thief should have to repay
: seven-fold when caught. It is not like we are talking about food,
clothing,
: and shelter which are the neccessities of survival. We are talking about
: computers which I still see as a luxury and a really nice tool. The same
is
: true of cell-phones. They are great but we can live without them. If
: someone carefully tracks all their spending and budgets their money then I
: believe the American Dream that they can prosper and have Life, Liberty
and
: Happiness. I think this can be true in Spain as well. Remember, to be
: faithful in much one must be faithful in a little and it is helpful to be
: faithful in what is anothers. Have a great day and thanks for sharing and
: helping me understand where you are coming from. I appreciate hearing the
: other side of debates.
:
:


  #59  
Old January 11th 05, 05:40 PM
Dan
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Well I have compassion for you Alias and will pray for you. I have had
cancer twice before and gone through radiation and chemotherapy so I have my
share of suffering as well even though in a physical and mental sense rather
than economic. Have a great day and Godspeed!

"Alias" wrote in message
...

"Dan" wrote
:
: snipped for space
:
: Don't get me wrong, I don't use anything but software that is legit

and
: that
: I purchased. This doesn't mean that I don't understand and empathize
with
: those who don't.
: --
: Alias
:
: I see what you are saying Alias and I fortunately have never been so

poor
: that I could not afford Microsoft products.

I have and it wasn't until I got a second hand computer with a pirated
version of Win 95 and Office 97 on it that I was able to change my

economic
situation. I would call that surviving and nowadays is as essential as

food,
clothing and shelter. YMMV but being as you've never been poor, you
obviously don't know what it's like and it ain't pleasant, especially if
you, like me, have children to feed, clothe and shelter.
--
Alias

Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.

Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.

However, I still think taking
: is wrong in this sense and think that the thief should have to repay
: seven-fold when caught. It is not like we are talking about food,
clothing,
: and shelter which are the neccessities of survival. We are talking

about
: computers which I still see as a luxury and a really nice tool. The

same
is
: true of cell-phones. They are great but we can live without them. If
: someone carefully tracks all their spending and budgets their money then

I
: believe the American Dream that they can prosper and have Life, Liberty
and
: Happiness. I think this can be true in Spain as well. Remember, to be
: faithful in much one must be faithful in a little and it is helpful to

be
: faithful in what is anothers. Have a great day and thanks for sharing

and
: helping me understand where you are coming from. I appreciate hearing

the
: other side of debates.
:
:




  #60  
Old January 11th 05, 05:43 PM
Alias
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"Dan" wrote

: Well I have compassion for you Alias and will pray for you. I have had
: cancer twice before and gone through radiation and chemotherapy so I have
my
: share of suffering as well even though in a physical and mental sense
rather
: than economic. Have a great day and Godspeed!

You too.
--
Alias

Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.

Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
:
: "Alias" wrote in message
: ...
:
: "Dan" wrote
: :
: : snipped for space
: :
: : Don't get me wrong, I don't use anything but software that is legit
: and
: : that
: : I purchased. This doesn't mean that I don't understand and empathize
: with
: : those who don't.
: : --
: : Alias
: :
: : I see what you are saying Alias and I fortunately have never been so
: poor
: : that I could not afford Microsoft products.
:
: I have and it wasn't until I got a second hand computer with a pirated
: version of Win 95 and Office 97 on it that I was able to change my
: economic
: situation. I would call that surviving and nowadays is as essential as
: food,
: clothing and shelter. YMMV but being as you've never been poor, you
: obviously don't know what it's like and it ain't pleasant, especially if
: you, like me, have children to feed, clothe and shelter.
: --
: Alias
:
: Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
:
: Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
:
: However, I still think taking
: : is wrong in this sense and think that the thief should have to repay
: : seven-fold when caught. It is not like we are talking about food,
: clothing,
: : and shelter which are the neccessities of survival. We are talking
: about
: : computers which I still see as a luxury and a really nice tool. The
: same
: is
: : true of cell-phones. They are great but we can live without them. If
: : someone carefully tracks all their spending and budgets their money
then
: I
: : believe the American Dream that they can prosper and have Life,
Liberty
: and
: : Happiness. I think this can be true in Spain as well. Remember, to
be
: : faithful in much one must be faithful in a little and it is helpful to
: be
: : faithful in what is anothers. Have a great day and thanks for sharing
: and
: : helping me understand where you are coming from. I appreciate hearing
: the
: : other side of debates.
: :
: :
:
:
:
:


 




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