Rules about copies of XP?

Stephen Craft wrote:
what is FUD?

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

MS uses the peoples Fear of PA to get them to conform to its wishes. MS
uses the Uncertainty surrounding PA to get people to buy more copies of
software than they need. And MS uses the Doubt to try to convince
people that MS knows what is right, more so than people do.

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What a stimulating discussion! I'm not sure which side is the most
convincing. But I'm so happy to be introduced to the complexities and
ambiguities of all of this.

I do think that something someone said in this thread, about treating people
like criminals has some merit. It just doesn't "feel" right to have to by
multiple copies of a program for your laptop and your home computer and your
kid's computer. On the other hand, it also doesn't "feel" right to lend
your copy to your neighbors and uncles and aunts. My experience is that
analyzing such feelings can be revelatory. If Microsoft "licensed" its
Windows OS for "family" or "household," use (as, apparently they could do as
easily as what they're doing now), then individuals might be less likely to
fall into the "big company be damned" mindset, where they lend their disk to
all and sundry. Telling MS that the new installation is only for household
use would usually be the truth, and hence the edge would be maintained, and
normally moral people would be less likely to lie about it for their friends
and relatives' sake.

Or something like that.

"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Laurel wrote:
How do I remove the OS from the first computer?


What are you doing with the old computer? If you are keeping it, then
don't bother.

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Stephen Craft wrote:
what is FUD?

Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.

MS uses the peoples Fear of PA to get them to conform to its wishes. MS
uses the Uncertainty surrounding PA to get people to buy more copies of
software than they need. And MS uses the Doubt to try to convince
people that MS knows what is right, more so than people do.

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Laurel wrote:
What a stimulating discussion! I'm not sure which side is the most
convincing. But I'm so happy to be introduced to the complexities and
ambiguities of all of this.

I do think that something someone said in this thread, about treating
people like criminals has some merit. It just doesn't "feel" right
to have to by multiple copies of a program for your laptop and your
home computer and your kid's computer. On the other hand, it also
doesn't "feel" right to lend your copy to your neighbors and uncles
and aunts.

It isn't right to share your copies with those outside of your
household. And it is clearly a violation of Copyright Law to distribute
copies of copyrighted material to others without the express permission
of the copyright owner.

However, back before everyone had access to the internet and could share
with the whole world, it wasn't much of a problem. People would make
tapes of their albums to give to their friends. People lent each other
books to read. Hell we have a gov't agency that's whole purpose is the
sharing of books, the Free Public Library. And book publishers are
still making money in spite of it.

Yes, file sharing has changed the calculus when it comes to sharing with
thousands and millions of people, and something needs to be done about
it. But that is much different than "fairly using" your copies of
copyrighted material for in your own home, or even that of the causal
infringement of sharing with a few friends and family.

My experience is that analyzing such feelings can be
revelatory. If Microsoft "licensed" its Windows OS for "family" or
"household," use (as, apparently they could do as easily as what
they're doing now), then individuals might be less likely to fall
into the "big company be damned" mindset, where they lend their disk
to all and sundry.

Ah yes! Unfortunately that would be long-term thinking, and the
corporations of today are notoriously short-sighted, and can't see what
is in their best interests in the long run, because their stock holders
want to know how they are increasing revenues and reducing costs today,
and over the next quarter, not over the long haul. Emerging markets for
MS's OS are few and far between as compared to just six or seven years
ago, so in order to show a means for continuing revenue growth in the
short-term, MS needs to squeeze every red cent it can out of the
existing markets for its OS.

Telling MS that the new installation is only for
household use would usually be the truth, and hence the edge would be
maintained, and normally moral people would be less likely to lie
about it for their friends and relatives' sake.

Or something like that.

I wholeheartedly agree that would be great. I would even have less of a
problem with PA if MS did that. Tie the OS to the person and their
household, and not any specific computer. That would have been a much
better way to introduce copy-protection into its OS, and side-stepping
the natural ire of consumers over it. I wish you were running MS when
they instituted PA!

Wow! Reading your post really warmed my heart. Thank you.

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Apparently, _Laurel_, on 04/03/05 12:17,typed:
What a stimulating discussion! I'm not sure which side is the most
convincing. But I'm so happy to be introduced to the complexities and
ambiguities of all of this.

I do think that something someone said in this thread, about treating people
like criminals has some merit. It just doesn't "feel" right to have to by
multiple copies of a program for your laptop and your home computer and your
kid's computer. On the other hand, it also doesn't "feel" right to lend
your copy to your neighbors and uncles and aunts. My experience is that
analyzing such feelings can be revelatory. If Microsoft "licensed" its
Windows OS for "family" or "household," use (as, apparently they could do as
easily as what they're doing now), then individuals might be less likely to
fall into the "big company be damned" mindset, where they lend their disk to
all and sundry. Telling MS that the new installation is only for household
use would usually be the truth, and hence the edge would be maintained, and
normally moral people would be less likely to lie about it for their friends
and relatives' sake.


Yup!! You have hit the nail right on it's head. A typical family
shouldn't be compared to a corporation/company. It is quite different
making a company buy licences for each of their Windows OS installations
(and make money out of that) from allowing a family install the OS on 2
or 3 home PCs and a couple of laptops. A typical family usage of Windows
OS is not just for raking in money like a company. All this basically
means MS need to make their EULA more reasonable. And, they are going to
win people's trust and support. Profit and customer's trust and support,
what more does a company want?

Sam.


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what is FUD?


Dat's what Bill Gates drops on ya. He is da fuddy duddy daddio of
all time.

Laurel;
It would be nice if Microsoft allowed a single purchase to be installed on
multiple computers in a household.
But that is not what the EULA says.
As with any product purchased, we have a choice and if the terms are not
acceptable we do not buy.

"...where they lend their disk to all and sundry."
The same for any product.
Pick a product, any product you want.
What would happen to theft of that product if the manufacturers gave it to
everyone who wanted their product?
Is that a reason to force that business to give their product away or even
lower their price?
After all theft of that product would most likely go down.

It is easy to justify ourselves because we feel the price is high or the
terms are not as we would like.
But that does not change the agreement.
If the price does not justify upgrading multiple computers, then perhaps
some computers should not be upgraded at this time.
Ignoring an agreement is not a good option.

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"Laurel" wrote in message
...
What a stimulating discussion! I'm not sure which side is the most
convincing. But I'm so happy to be introduced to the complexities and
ambiguities of all of this.

I do think that something someone said in this thread, about treating
people
like criminals has some merit. It just doesn't "feel" right to have to by
multiple copies of a program for your laptop and your home computer and
your
kid's computer. On the other hand, it also doesn't "feel" right to lend
your copy to your neighbors and uncles and aunts. My experience is that
analyzing such feelings can be revelatory. If Microsoft "licensed" its
Windows OS for "family" or "household," use (as, apparently they could do
as
easily as what they're doing now), then individuals might be less likely
to
fall into the "big company be damned" mindset, where they lend their disk
to
all and sundry. Telling MS that the new installation is only for
household
use would usually be the truth, and hence the edge would be maintained,
and
normally moral people would be less likely to lie about it for their
friends
and relatives' sake.

Or something like that.

I wholeheartedly agree that would be great. I would even have less of a
problem with PA if MS did that. Tie the OS to the person and their
household, and not any specific computer. That would have been a much
better way to introduce copy-protection into its OS, and side-stepping
the natural ire of consumers over it. I wish you were running MS when
they instituted PA!

Yeah.... well, I do frequently point out that if the folks running my
software company had only asked me this or that when they were making
decisions in the absence of info.....
Thanks for your comment!

Wow! Reading your post really warmed my heart. Thank you.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Laurel;
It would be nice if Microsoft allowed a single purchase to be
installed on multiple computers in a household.
But that is not what the EULA says.
As with any product purchased, we have a choice and if the terms are
not acceptable we do not buy.

"...where they lend their disk to all and sundry."
The same for any product.
Pick a product, any product you want.
What would happen to theft of that product if the manufacturers gave
it to everyone who wanted their product?
Is that a reason to force that business to give their product away or
even lower their price?
After all theft of that product would most likely go down.

It is easy to justify ourselves because we feel the price is high or
the terms are not as we would like.
But that does not change the agreement.
If the price does not justify upgrading multiple computers, then
perhaps some computers should not be upgraded at this time.
Ignoring an agreement is not a good option.

Watch out! Looks like Jupiter is trying to assimilate you!

http://microscum.com/jupiter/

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Laurel;
It would be nice if Microsoft allowed a single purchase to be
installed on multiple computers in a household.
But that is not what the EULA says.
As with any product purchased, we have a choice and if the terms are
not acceptable we do not buy.

"...where they lend their disk to all and sundry."
The same for any product.
Pick a product, any product you want.
What would happen to theft of that product if the manufacturers gave
it to everyone who wanted their product?
Is that a reason to force that business to give their product away or
even lower their price?
After all theft of that product would most likely go down.

It is easy to justify ourselves because we feel the price is high or
the terms are not as we would like.
But that does not change the agreement.
If the price does not justify upgrading multiple computers, then
perhaps some computers should not be upgraded at this time.
Ignoring an agreement is not a good option.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+puts+a...3-5590042.html

1 in 3000! Hardly anyone reads a EULA. All it is, is a extra nonsense
button to push on your way to install the copy of very expensive
software that was sold to you by the previous own of that copy of
software, the retailer.


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And as is often the case with you Kurt.
When you have nothing of value to say you insult.

Your need to insult others displays plenty your own character clearly.

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news:% Watch out! Looks like Jupiter is trying to assimilate you!

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And why is it Microsoft's fault if someone does not read and agreement
before agreeing to the agreement?
Do you as readily accept people breaking agreements made with you?
Why or why not?
Or is it always your fault if others do not understand an agreement made
with you?

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Leythos wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:57:09 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

Watch out! Looks like Jupiter is trying to assimilate you!

There you go again - flaming people or making fun of them. If you
would just state that you disagree and then provide your rebuttal you
would not look so childish. The only time I mind seeing your posts is
when you are being rule or flaming someone, which you do a lot.

If does not help your position to be rude to anyone.

I really don't care what you mind, Lamethos. Haven't you figured that
out yet?

I was making a joke, obviously YOU didn't think it was funny. No big
deal. Throughout my life, I've met people that lack a sense of humor,
and get very upset over me exercising mine. I've learned to live with
it, and enjoy myself. Life is too short to go around being serious all
the time. Have Fun!

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Leythos wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:10:28 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

Oh, and there you go again, not acknowledging that you are snipping
up my post, and taking my words out of the whole context that they
were written.

Kurt, it's fairly common and normal to snip the parts you don't reply
too, or to just keep the parts you are replying to - it's been done
on Usenet for decades. If I don't have anything to say about a
segment I don't reply to it. Not posting a reply to a segment means
only that I'm not replying to it, nothing more or less.

LOL! And it is also a common practice to acknowledge the snip in some
form or fashion, and has been done on the USENET for decades.

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Said by someone who can't tell the difference between humor and insults.
Most kids learn the difference at a very young age.

Your need to insult in your attempt to make a point is your own character
flaw and not a shortcoming of others.

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
I was making a joke, obviously YOU didn't think it was funny. No big
deal. Throughout my life, I've met people that lack a sense of humor, and
get very upset over me exercising mine. I've learned to live with it, and
enjoy myself. Life is too short to go around being serious all the time.
Have Fun!

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