Rules about copies of XP?

Leythos wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:41:57 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

As a MicroNazi

Kurt, while I respect that you have and are entitled to your own
opinion, I can't understand why you can't state that opinion without
being snide/rude and/or belligerent?

Your lack of understanding would be your problem.

Don't you understand how immature that makes you look in the reply -
if you want people to believe your opinion it would go a long way to
cut the flames.

If you looked at the whole post, you would have seen that I explained
why he is a MicroNazi.

Take any 11 word complete quote of mine, and see how many posts you'll
find! I doubt you will find more than a handful. Not hundreds. Bruce
is a propagandist, and misrepresents the FACT that Section 117 is a
Limitation on the Computer Program Copyright Owner Rights.

If I had been alive when Goebels was spouting his nonsensical propaganda
time and time again, you can be damned sure I would have reamed him a
new a-hole, at least until I was taken away to the concentration camp.

To thine ownself be true. And I can't just sit idlely by when I see
such a blatant deciever as Bruce continually spouting off his nonsense.
That wouldn't be true to who I am!

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Said by someone who can't tell the difference between humor and
insults.

I'm a Howard Stern fan! A lot of people think he is insulting, and even
more think he is funny.

Most kids learn the difference at a very young age.

The difference is in your perception. You are insulted, as you are the
butt of the joke. Oh well, that would be your problem, taking yourself
too seriously.

I learned at a very early age to laugh at myself. I don't get insulted
when I am the butt of the joke. I laugh along with everybody else.
That is real maturity.

Your need to insult in your attempt to make a point is your own
character flaw and not a shortcoming of others.

I would differ with that opinion, and I believe I already have. Just
look at my sig. I make fun of myself with every post!

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
And why is it Microsoft's fault if someone does not read and agreement
before agreeing to the agreement?

I didn't say it was. I believe that MS's EULA is a perfectly valid
COMMERCIAL USE License. As a private non-commerial use license, it has
yet to be proven a valid means to strip individuals of their "fair use"
rights. I've explained that in great detail already in this thread.
Please refer to those posts.

Do you as readily accept people breaking agreements made with you?

If my terms are unconscionable, yes. And MS denying the sale, after the
fact of the sale is in my opinion totally unconscionable.

Why or why not?
Or is it always your fault if others do not understand an agreement
made with you?

If I sold you Kurt's Brand of HDTV, and you got it home, and this you
found a slip of paper inside that said, this TV is licensed not sold,
how would you feel about it?

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Bruce Chambers wrote:
Laurel wrote:
What are the rules for installing XP Pro on multiple PCs?


You need to purchase a separate WinXP Pro license for each computer on
which you install it.

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems,
it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and U.S.
copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html), if not
technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which
it is installed.

snip

LOL! Section 117 is a limitation of the rights of the Copyright Owners,
not a limitation on the rights of the owner of a copy!

But Bruce is in love with the the delusions to the contrary! As a
MicroNazi, he knows the power of repeating the same nonsense over and over
again!

http://tinyurl.com/hhjj - 314 times with his previous incarnation, "to be
in compliance with both the EULA and copyright laws."
http://snipurl.com/d81h - 125 times with his latest incarnation, "to be in
compliance with both the EULA and U.S. copyright."

Bruce is a MicroNazi propagandist, plain and simple. Goes by the Goebels
theory that if you repeat something long enough, people will start
believing it, no matter that it is a total fabrication of reality.

http://microscum.com/bruce/


After reading section "a" of Bruce's link, it doesn't seem that it at all
applies to the single owner. I also noted that the word "OR" is the linked
in terms between explanation "1" and "2", as I noted it doesn't say "and",
which would be very different in meaning.

But if you take what this says in section1:

"that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the
utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that
it is used in no other manner"

That translates that a copy of the Computer program can be used as such with
a machine for the same uses/pruposes, but not on just "ONE" machine as it
states "in conjunction".

you guys listen to howard stearn ?

Leythos wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:33:17 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

If you looked at the whole post, you would have seen that I explained
why he is a MicroNaz

Just because he supports the rules that MS wants people to follow
doesn't make him ANYTHING - and certainly not a Naz.

No, he spews a lie about copyright law, in general, and then
specifically with Sec. 117, which is a LIMITATION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE
COMPUTER COPYRIGHT HOLDER! And copies and pastes it over and over
again! That what makes him a MicroNazi! He is the Goebels of the
convicted predatory monoplist here in this group! Had he cut it off
that it after "EULA," that would be fine. He has been called to prove
his nonsense time and again, and he keeps on lying!

"If you looked at the whole post, you would have seen that I explained
why he is a MicroNazi."

I have no idea what a "Naz" is! LOL! Now you are snipping in mid-word!

That would be
the same as calling you a TrollingNazPiracyAdvocate.

Big Deal. I'm a big boy. I can handle you lying about me.

If you can't
make your point without being rude then you're not really making a
point, your hiding from something.

I can do both. And have been for a long time.


What you should have done was presented the alternate side and been
polite about it.

What I should have done is exactly what I did. Over 400 posts of
bullsh*t, the scumbag deserves what he gets. If you look at my MVP Hall
of Shame, you'll see that it is very small. I have no problems with the
great majority of MVPs and am on friendly terms with many of them. You
just haven't been posting here long enough to understand that I have a
history with a rare few, and they have earned the lack of respect that I
show them. And out of the four in my MVP Hall of Shame, one of them is
only in there because he asked me to be included! Robert Moir. I give
him a lot of credit for exposing himself for opening himself up to being
lampooned by me.

I am being who I am, warts and all. I have a very weird sense of humor,
and I have a very cruel wit, when it comes to those that have earned it.

Love me, or hate me. There is usually no in between.

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Leythos wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:14:15 -0500, Woody wrote:

you guys listen to howard stearn ?

I listen to Howard Stern, Rush Limb..., Bob Connors, and a lot of AM
radio talk shows. I don't listen to left-wing idiots though

That explains a lot. And Howard may not be a liberal but he certainly
isn't a rightwinger.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
And as is often the case with you Kurt.
When you have nothing of value to say you insult.

Your need to insult others displays plenty your own character clearly.


I have no need. I do what I want. Big difference.

Just like you do what you want, Juppy.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx LOL! Out of sight, out of mind,
what little of a mind you have, that is! ;-)



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message news:% Watch out! Looks like Jupiter is trying to
assimilate you!

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In ,
kurttrail respectfully replied
;-)
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Laurel;
It would be nice if Microsoft allowed a single purchase to be
installed on multiple computers in a household.
But that is not what the EULA says.
As with any product purchased, we have a choice and if the terms are
not acceptable we do not buy.

"...where they lend their disk to all and sundry."
The same for any product.
Pick a product, any product you want.
What would happen to theft of that product if the manufacturers gave
it to everyone who wanted their product?
Is that a reason to force that business to give their product away or
even lower their price?
After all theft of that product would most likely go down.

It is easy to justify ourselves because we feel the price is high or
the terms are not as we would like.
But that does not change the agreement.
If the price does not justify upgrading multiple computers, then
perhaps some computers should not be upgraded at this time.
Ignoring an agreement is not a good option.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+puts+a...3-5590042.html

1 in 3000! Hardly anyone reads a EULA. All it is, is a extra
nonsense button to push on your way to install the copy of very
expensive software that was sold to you by the previous own of that
copy of software, the retailer.

Ya think it's nonsense? Spammers and scammers and all other scummy types
sure like that trait of the typical lazy computer user. LOL
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lol , i can almost understand watching howard stearn on tv , for the t&a
bimbos but listening to him ?

I don't listen to left-wing idiots though

ok you're forgiven ;-)

Michael Stevens wrote:
In ,
kurttrail respectfully
replied ;-)
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Laurel;
It would be nice if Microsoft allowed a single purchase to be
installed on multiple computers in a household.
But that is not what the EULA says.
As with any product purchased, we have a choice and if the terms are
not acceptable we do not buy.

"...where they lend their disk to all and sundry."
The same for any product.
Pick a product, any product you want.
What would happen to theft of that product if the manufacturers gave
it to everyone who wanted their product?
Is that a reason to force that business to give their product away
or even lower their price?
After all theft of that product would most likely go down.

It is easy to justify ourselves because we feel the price is high or
the terms are not as we would like.
But that does not change the agreement.
If the price does not justify upgrading multiple computers, then
perhaps some computers should not be upgraded at this time.
Ignoring an agreement is not a good option.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+puts+a...3-5590042.html

1 in 3000! Hardly anyone reads a EULA. All it is, is a extra
nonsense button to push on your way to install the copy of very
expensive software that was sold to you by the previous own of that
copy of software, the retailer.

Ya think it's nonsense? Spammers and scammers and all other scummy
types sure like that trait of the typical lazy computer user. LOL

LOL! I wouldn't know. I spot that stuff from a mile away, long before
any EULA.

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"If I sold you Kurt's..."
That would NEVER happen.
And never is a very long time.
I can see how you hold to agreements and would not enter an agreement with
you where I could ever possibly lose anything.

Good by Kurt.

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"kurttrail" wrote in message I
didn't say it was. I believe that MS's EULA is a perfectly valid
COMMERCIAL USE License. As a private non-commerial use license, it has
yet to be proven a valid means to strip individuals of their "fair use"
rights. I've explained that in great detail already in this thread.
Please refer to those posts.

Do you as readily accept people breaking agreements made with you?

If my terms are unconscionable, yes. And MS denying the sale, after the
fact of the sale is in my opinion totally unconscionable.

Why or why not?
Or is it always your fault if others do not understand an agreement
made with you?

If I sold you Kurt's Brand of HDTV, and you got it home, and this you
found a slip of paper inside that said, this TV is licensed not sold, how
would you feel about it?

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In ,
kurttrail respectfully replied
;-)
Michael Stevens wrote:
In ,
kurttrail respectfully
replied ;-)
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Laurel;
It would be nice if Microsoft allowed a single purchase to be
installed on multiple computers in a household.
But that is not what the EULA says.
As with any product purchased, we have a choice and if the terms
are not acceptable we do not buy.

"...where they lend their disk to all and sundry."
The same for any product.
Pick a product, any product you want.
What would happen to theft of that product if the manufacturers
gave it to everyone who wanted their product?
Is that a reason to force that business to give their product away
or even lower their price?
After all theft of that product would most likely go down.

It is easy to justify ourselves because we feel the price is high
or the terms are not as we would like.
But that does not change the agreement.
If the price does not justify upgrading multiple computers, then
perhaps some computers should not be upgraded at this time.
Ignoring an agreement is not a good option.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+puts+a...3-5590042.html

1 in 3000! Hardly anyone reads a EULA. All it is, is a extra
nonsense button to push on your way to install the copy of very
expensive software that was sold to you by the previous own of that
copy of software, the retailer.

Ya think it's nonsense? Spammers and scammers and all other scummy
types sure like that trait of the typical lazy computer user. LOL

LOL! I wouldn't know. I spot that stuff from a mile away, long
before any EULA.

Yep, someone has to be the 1 in 3000, we probably know all the 1's.
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hey , seems you guys don't have a friggin clue about the average computer
consumer .

WTF else in their lives have they bought a consumer electronics product
where when they got home and plugged it in that they had to call their
friggin lawyer before they could use it ?

Leythos wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:20:24 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

I was making a joke, obviously YOU didn't think it was funny. No big
deal. Throughout my life, I've met people that lack a sense of
humor, and get very upset over me exercising mine.

Kurt, I hate to tell you this, but I've got a great sense of humor and
being old military I'm not insulted by much, if anything. Also, as you
mentioned elsewhere, I also listen to Howard most days and have never
missed a joke or been insulted by his shows.

On the other hand, your post didn't include anything that could be
considered a joke or humor. You constantly hide behind the snide
remarks and ill mannered comments. You are taken less seriously by
most each time you present yourself that way.

Try it for a week, don't make any snide/off-hand comments for a week,
and that includes the flippant way you change people's nicks - I bet
you can't do it.

http://microscum.com/censored/200503041805/

Oh, the censors are out tonight!

I just love it when MS expends its manpower on me!

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