Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

"Dean G." wrote in message
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On Feb 22, 12:34 pm, wrote:
A quick Google search finds far more Windows horror stories, with far
worse results, particularly on the malware front.

A quick look at statistics showing how many windows installs there are per
linux installs quickly debunks this comment. Aside from the malware part.
No denying that

wrote:

I've

*plonk*

On Feb 22, 1:11 pm, "Gary" wrote:
Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you
to get it to work that really counts.
Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years.

Ubuntu worked fine for me right after the install. The last version I
had that took more than a few hours was Slackware 3.0, but that was a
long time ago, and the then current Windows version (95) took longer
to set up even with the vaunted "plug and play", which didn't really
work.

Also, Linux does far more out of the box. People like to compare a
full distro of Linux to a bare OS install of Linux. Yes, maybe Windows
is installed and "working", but you still can't do anything. Ubuntu,
on the other hand, is ready to go with applications. You "working"
Windows box still needs more work. It takes far longer to install
Windows AND the equivalent applications. Hopefully Vista will do away
with the Windows Multiple Reboot Boogie, but I wouldn't count on it.

Dean G.

On Feb 22, 1:33 pm, Alias wrote:
Gary wrote:
Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you
to get it to work that really counts.
Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years.

LOL! Mine was ready to go right away.

Alias





"Dean G." wrote in message
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On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W"
wrote:
"Alias" wrote in message

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Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.comOrderthe 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.
That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my
system
So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30
minutes to install on a PC. When you consider that Linux also installs
many applications, which require a separate and also long installation
on other OS's. Thus you are saying that the fastest installing OS is
too slow for you, so you are going to use a slower one.

Not only that, but if you go with a pre-installed OS, then you are
likely going to end up re-installing the OS several times, as even the
experts who promote that OS suggest an re-install at least annually,
and perhaps more often for power users.

Abort, Retry, Fail, Reboot, Reinstall, Remit all of your money to
Redmond. Smile, you are one of those people Stalin called "useful".

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So was mine.
Ready to go into the dustbin of course.
I just wasn't smart enough to toss it after the first set of problems.

Linux is a waste of time.
A HUGE waste of time.

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I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems
to Vista and have had various problems with software compatability.
I've spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites
and finally after 3 days I have everything working.
This fiasco has left me with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft
has the ability to maintain it's position as the defacto standard in
operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board.
I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem
which involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from
some kind soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and
replacing the one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what
appeared to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows.
Bummer.
I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and
Linux doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list
but I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed?
I do see a similar model however so I decide to try this.
It installs easy enough, but when I go to print I get one line of
gibberish on the top of the page, the page ejects and the next page
does the same thing over and over and over again.
Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper.
Finally I turn the damm thing off while I.....................

Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and
the wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge
this thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and
thankfully it behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network.
The problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines.
And now it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only
after a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading
maybe a hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working,
and this is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba.
I wouldn't know know, I never got Samba working.

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the
rescue CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might
add, into the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't
intend to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of
garbage into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people,
to spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are
daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly,
but for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla


Karla...

Thanks for your post. I found it to be very informative.

Unfortunately, you have posted something that will cause all the penguin
heads to go nuts. Guess I'll have to not visit this newsgroup for a month
or two while all of the *nix zealots hemorrhage all over this newsgroup.

Enjoy

On Feb 22, 1:58 pm, "Dean G." wrote:
On Feb 22, 1:11 pm, "Gary" wrote:

Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you
to get it to work that really counts.
Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years.

Ubuntu worked fine for me right after the install. The last version I
had that took more than a few hours was Slackware 3.0, but that was a
long time ago, and the then current Windows version (95) took longer
to set up even with the vaunted "plug and play", which didn't really
work.

Also, Linux does far more out of the box. People like to compare a
full distro of Linux to a bare OS install of Linux. Yes, maybe Windows
is installed and "working", but you still can't do anything. Ubuntu,
on the other hand, is ready to go with applications. You "working"
Windows box still needs more work. It takes far longer to install
Windows AND the equivalent applications. Hopefully Vista will do away
with the Windows Multiple Reboot Boogie, but I wouldn't count on it.

Dean G.

So what you are saying is that I used the wrong version of Linux?
Tell me, what is the right version of Linux?
There seem to be so many different versions and I figured since Fedora
is associated with Redhat, it must be a well developed version of
Linux.

I was wrong.

As for Linux shipping with a lot of applications this is true.
However getting networking, printing, proper video and actually being
able to boot the system is far more important to me than a lot of
applications.

Linux is so pitiful and I got frustrated, after days of mucking with
Linux BTW, that I tossed it and I don't intend
to try it again until it reaches the point where it is installable and
usable on common hardware.

I just don't have the time to spend futzing with an operating system
and I doubt other common users do either.
Maybe it is a hobby for some, but not me.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:06:49 +0100, Alias wrote:

Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.com Order the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the
postage.

Alias

Hello? McFly? Troll! Hello??

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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:58:45 -0800, Dean G. wrote:

On Feb 22, 1:11 pm, "Gary" wrote:
Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes
you to get it to work that really counts. Vista a few hours. Linux days,
months, years.

Ubuntu worked fine for me right after the install. The last version I had
that took more than a few hours was Slackware 3.0, but that was a long
time ago, and the then current Windows version (95) took longer to set up
even with the vaunted "plug and play", which didn't really work.

Also, Linux does far more out of the box. People like to compare a full
distro of Linux to a bare OS install of Linux.

I bet you meant to say, "...to a bare OS install of Windows".

Yes, maybe Windows is installed and "working", but you still can't do
anything. Ubuntu, on the other hand, is ready to go with applications.
You "working" Windows box still needs more work. It takes far longer to
install Windows AND the equivalent applications. Hopefully Vista will do
away with the Windows Multiple Reboot Boogie, but I wouldn't count on it.

My new 160G laptop HD arrived a few days ago. Two hours after it arrived
I'd installed Ubuntu + the hundreds of applications that are part of the
default install + a few hundred more of my own favorite apps + did a
full update of the OS and all applications + had the system fully
and completely configured to my liking.

Windows isn't even in the ballpark anymore.

A few hundred apps and then a few hundred more? Amazed that you find so
many, and the time to use them all..


"arachnid" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:58:45 -0800, Dean G. wrote:

On Feb 22, 1:11 pm, "Gary" wrote:
Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes
you to get it to work that really counts. Vista a few hours. Linux days,
months, years.

Ubuntu worked fine for me right after the install. The last version I had
that took more than a few hours was Slackware 3.0, but that was a long
time ago, and the then current Windows version (95) took longer to set up
even with the vaunted "plug and play", which didn't really work.

Also, Linux does far more out of the box. People like to compare a full
distro of Linux to a bare OS install of Linux.

I bet you meant to say, "...to a bare OS install of Windows".

Yes, maybe Windows is installed and "working", but you still can't do
anything. Ubuntu, on the other hand, is ready to go with applications.
You "working" Windows box still needs more work. It takes far longer to
install Windows AND the equivalent applications. Hopefully Vista will do
away with the Windows Multiple Reboot Boogie, but I wouldn't count on it.

My new 160G laptop HD arrived a few days ago. Two hours after it arrived
I'd installed Ubuntu + the hundreds of applications that are part of the
default install + a few hundred more of my own favorite apps + did a
full update of the OS and all applications + had the system fully
and completely configured to my liking.

Windows isn't even in the ballpark anymore.



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MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

wrote:


As for Linux shipping with a lot of applications this is true.
However getting networking, printing, proper video and actually being
able to boot the system is far more important to me than a lot of
applications.

1. Download the Ubuntu .iso image 15 minutes
2. Burn to disk 4 minutes
3. Boot from cd into Ubuntu 2 minutes
4. Select install to hard drive option 5 seconds
5. Install routine starts and finishes 20 minutes
6. Remove disk, boot PC to desktop 1 minute
7. Set up sharing, connect to other
PC's on (wireless) network 10 minutes
8. Set up local and network laser
printers using cups 10 minutes

That's about how long it took me.

Cost? Nothing!

No time looking for drivers, no time installing applications, which
were all bundled with the o/s, no need for virus-checkers or spyware
checkers.

Since then I've installed KDE and XFCE on the machine, and it's earning
it's keep running my business.

Never crashed or failed to boot, no blue screens, no uac, no nasty
pop-ups, no wga, no activation, no DRM

I have Windows XP (which I like) and Vista (which I don't) machines on
my network, but overall the Linux is faster and more productive on a
less powerful PC with less memory than the Windows machines.

And I had no previous experience with any flavour of Linux before 2
months ago.

--
Paul-B

On Feb 22, 2:46 pm, "Paul-B" wrote:
wrote:

As for Linux shipping with a lot of applications this is true.
However getting networking, printing, proper video and actually being
able to boot the system is far more important to me than a lot of
applications.

1. Download the Ubuntu .iso image 15 minutes
2. Burn to disk 4 minutes
3. Boot from cd into Ubuntu 2 minutes
4. Select install to hard drive option 5 seconds
5. Install routine starts and finishes 20 minutes
6. Remove disk, boot PC to desktop 1 minute
7. Set up sharing, connect to other
PC's on (wireless) network 10 minutes
8. Set up local and network laser
printers using cups 10 minutes

That's about how long it took me.

Cost? Nothing!

No time looking for drivers, no time installing applications, which
were all bundled with the o/s, no need for virus-checkers or spyware
checkers.

Paul-B

That's all very nice but I have one question?

How many months did you spend researching and hunting down hardware
that would work with Linux?
How many other versions of Linux did you try before you finally found
one that worked?

I've asked a number of people about their personal experiences with
Linux and each one said the same thing.

"Linux is fine if you pick and choose your hardware carefully and if
you happen to use a distribution that is well supported and works with
your carefully chosen hardware".

Stray far from that tennant and Linux becomes a nightmare.

So how long did you spend doing the research?

Or did you just happen to *get lucky* ?

Alias is posting? Oh brother! Be like me and block that fool!

He's been caught lying so many times I've lost count.


"Dustbin" wrote in message
.. .
Dean G. wrote:
On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W"
wrote:
"Alias" wrote in message

...



Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu.
www.ubuntu.comOrder the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay
the postage.

That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my
system

So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30
minutes to install on a PC.

We thought "Alias" was probably lying, you confirmed it.

"linux makes you stupid... and now, makes you a liar too."



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Few X 2? So you have at least 600 apps on your machine?

I call BS on that one!


"arachnid" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:58:45 -0800, Dean G. wrote:

On Feb 22, 1:11 pm, "Gary" wrote:
Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes
you to get it to work that really counts. Vista a few hours. Linux days,
months, years.

Ubuntu worked fine for me right after the install. The last version I had
that took more than a few hours was Slackware 3.0, but that was a long
time ago, and the then current Windows version (95) took longer to set up
even with the vaunted "plug and play", which didn't really work.

Also, Linux does far more out of the box. People like to compare a full
distro of Linux to a bare OS install of Linux.

I bet you meant to say, "...to a bare OS install of Windows".

Yes, maybe Windows is installed and "working", but you still can't do
anything. Ubuntu, on the other hand, is ready to go with applications.
You "working" Windows box still needs more work. It takes far longer to
install Windows AND the equivalent applications. Hopefully Vista will do
away with the Windows Multiple Reboot Boogie, but I wouldn't count on it.

My new 160G laptop HD arrived a few days ago. Two hours after it arrived
I'd installed Ubuntu + the hundreds of applications that are part of the
default install + a few hundred more of my own favorite apps + did a
full update of the OS and all applications + had the system fully
and completely configured to my liking.

Windows isn't even in the ballpark anymore.

"Hertz_Donut" wrote in message
...
Unfortunately, you have posted something that will cause all the penguin
heads to go nuts. Guess I'll have to not visit this newsgroup for a month
or two while all of the *nix zealots hemorrhage all over this newsgroup.

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