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  #31  
Old May 25th 16, 03:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Stan Brown
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On Tue, 24 May 2016 18:07:08 +0000 (UTC), Judith Kenner wrote:
Googling, I find that truecrypt was deprecated in favor of
axcrypt, which is find because once a year I just want to


:s/axcrypt/veracrypt/

use the most compatible free encryption program to archive


Compatible with _what_? Compatible isn't a plain adjective like
"blue" or "hungry".

and password protect my tax folders.




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  #32  
Old May 25th 16, 04:05 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 24 May 2016, Judith Kenner wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Stormin' Norman wrote:

"Cranky", excellent description, an under used word.


How about upset? Frustrated? Disgusted? Exasperated?


How about "whiner"?
  #33  
Old May 25th 16, 04:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Nil[_5_]
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On 24 May 2016, Judith Kenner wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Paul wrote:

Code libraries exist to reduce developer effort.


But that isn't what the user cares about.


The libraries are part of the program, as has been mentioned and
ignored by you several times here already. Most users care about having
the complete program. Perhaps having just half a program is good enough
for you.
  #34  
Old May 25th 16, 04:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Yousuf Khan[_2_]
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On 24/05/2016 7:19 PM, Judith Kenner wrote:
Stormin' Norman wrote:

"Cranky", excellent description, an under used word.


How about upset? Frustrated? Disgusted? Exasperated?


Nah, doesn't apply here, cranky is the right word.

Yousuf Khan

  #35  
Old May 25th 16, 04:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Yousuf Khan[_2_]
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On 24/05/2016 7:18 PM, Judith Kenner wrote:
This is the only reason for it, but you have to install *every* version
of .NET Framework because each program uses a different version of the
.NET Frameework interpreter.


I think that requirement has long since passed. These days, just having
the latest version of the software is sufficient, which I think is 4.5.

Yousuf Khan

  #36  
Old May 25th 16, 06:38 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Judith Kenner wrote:
Paul wrote:

Maybe it's only a 20KB
download, with the 500MB .NET library the
user already has, doing my SQRT() for me.


Except the user has to install *every* version of .NET Framework,
which means they have that square root function installed ten times.


My illustration of SQRT() would be in
just one layer of the cake. Not all the
layers. The added functions in .NET
version 4.6 aren't likely to redefine SQRT().

And while I've tried to paint a picture
of a pure layer-cake model, I don't
think the model is that pure any more.
Some of the latest "numbers" in .NET,
may be an attempt to get away from
the 2.0-3.0-3.5 package, and make something
more lightweight. But what you'll notice is,
if you're on an OS which runs 4.0 or
higher, it's still possible for an
older program to explicitly request
3.5 and force you to either download
it, or go into Windows Features and
turn it on.

Even my tools are a bit busted now.
When I tried to test your encryption
program, the DevFish CLRVer.exe program
I normally use, said your program was
"NotCLR" (not a .NET program). Which is
false. It didn't print out the version
number of the manifest used. Apparently,
you can get the version number info with ILDASM,
but this isn't exactly all that friendly,
when an ordinary user wants to know what
additional materials they might have to
download. The free DevFish program,
used to print this info out quite
nicely.

Well-written software, you can add a
module to it, to "signal" to the user
what the dependency is. And tell them
where to get the download to finish
the installation. But just as easily,
I've seen other kinds of runtime
behavior, where all you see is some
error about "cannot find mscoree"
or similar. And the user is supposed
to guess some how, that an (unknown)
layer of the .NET cake isn't present on
their computer. So it is possible
for a program to at least, not throw
an mscoree error, and actually tell
you what to do to finish the install.

While the idea might have had some
vague merit years ago, the implementation
is just... horrendous. I cannot imagine
a more customer-unfriendly approach.
Everyone has to have "developer skillz"
just to get simple programs installed.
If I asked half the people in this group,
for what to do when they see an "mscoree"
error message, they probably wouldn't
even know what that hints at. I didn't
know either, when I saw my first one of
those, and it did take me a while to
trace it down.

And now that my little CLRVer program
from DevFish doesn't work, it's going
to mean *more* detective work to get
answers.

Paul
  #37  
Old May 25th 16, 06:42 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 24 May 2016 21:59:40 -0400, Jason wrote:

On Tue, 24 May 2016 23:12:58 +0000 (UTC) "Judith Kenner"
wrote in article
The net is that .net framework is a loser for the user.


Again, it has NOTHING directly to do with users. It's for developers.


Come on, you gotta give her points for rhyming. ;-)

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  #38  
Old May 25th 16, 06:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Judith Kenner wrote:
Zaidy036 wrote:

7 Zip free from SOurceForge


Is that an archiver with password protection?


I install this on *every* OS here.

It's one of the first programs I install.

You'll like it.

http://www.7-zip.org/

"Strong AES-256 encryption in 7z and ZIP formats"

I don't use the encryption part myself, but
do use the compression and decompression
functions.

Paul
  #39  
Old May 25th 16, 10:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 24 May 2016 23:49:05 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 24/05/2016 7:18 PM, Judith Kenner wrote:
This is the only reason for it, but you have to install *every* version
of .NET Framework because each program uses a different version of the
.NET Frameework interpreter.


I think that requirement has long since passed. These days, just having
the latest version of the software is sufficient, which I think is 4.5.


The latest version is indeed 4.5. However, you're mistaken about
interoperability.

If a program was written for .NET 1.1, it won't work with .NET 2 or
4. If it was written for .NET 2, it won't work with .NET 1.1 or 4.
(There may be more incompatibilities, but those are just the ones I
happen to remember.)

Your confusion is understandable, because .NET 4 has been around for
a few years now, so it's probably some time since any new software
was written for the earlier versions. But some of those utilities are
still kicking around, and they still won't work with 4.

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Old May 25th 16, 01:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 24 May 2016 23:16:41 +0000 (UTC), Judith Kenner wrote:

Zaidy036 wrote:

7 Zip free from SOurceForge


Is that an archiver with password protection?


Yes.
  #41  
Old May 25th 16, 07:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bert[_3_]
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In Yousuf Khan
wrote:

On 24/05/2016 7:18 PM, Judith Kenner wrote:
This is the only reason for it, but you have to install *every*
version of .NET Framework because each program uses a different
version of the .NET Frameework interpreter.


I think that requirement has long since passed. These days, just
having the latest version of the software is sufficient, which I think
is 4.5.


Probably correct, technically, but a program written long ago for some
earlier version is probably hard-coded to look for that version, either
demanding that you download it, or downloading it for you when you
install the program.

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