Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!

Stephan Rose writes:

I also do recall someone saying in this very newsgroup in a response to me
how they are glad Quicken doesn't run under Vista as its a total piece of
crap. =)

Anything that runs under Windows is referred to as crap by the COLA gang.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 08:59:43 -0800, karla.bonerstein wrote:

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board. I downloaded
Fedora and attempted to install.


This was your first mistake.

If you're a beginner, select a more beginner friendly variant, like SuSE
or Ubuntu. The hardware support in SuSE is excellent.

Bear in mind, as much of a hard time as people had installing Windows on
SATA drives can be had in Linux, too. Make sure during the install the
SATA drive is seen by going into the partition manager and LOOKING at the
partitions! If you see the partitions, installation should be OK.

Also bear in mind that the boot loader can be installed ANYWHERE. If you
have more than one drive and are worried about what drive it will boot
from then disable the other drives in the BIOS, and force the install on
the drive you want.

Unlike Windows, Linux is pretty smart. If the partition shows up in the
partition manager, then that's where it will be installed, provided you
make the moint point for the drive /

Another good trick is to split the drive into one 12-15G partition, and
mount this as the root partition /, and then make a partition of most of
the rest of the drive, leaving about 2-3G of space on the drive. Make the
largest partition the /home mount point, and the last 2-3G your swap
drive. This way, if you do manage a 'blowout', you can reload the OS
without destroying your data, or upgrade without worrying about your data.

If you can read batch files, you can figure out a Linux script.

Also bear in mind there is a Learning Curve and you're not going to get it
right away, esp with a Windows frame of mind. Linux =/ Windows! It took me
about a half a dozen tries with different versions before I settled on
SuSE and Ubuntu. Also, Freespire is supposed to be easy; I'm going to try
that one tomorrow or Tuesday.

Once you get it, you might not go back to Windows. There is some
incompatible hardware like Scanners, the only reason I boot to Windows
anymore is to use a scanner or Paint Shop Pro (I use the Gimp a lot, but
PSP has a few nice things the Gimp doesn't yet, or I'm too lazy to go
looking for the plug-ins for)

Also bear in mind Multimedia can be a PITA, too. You have to have the
right player and the right codecs, and even then some stuff won't play.
And if you want to use Flash, don't get a 64-Bit version. They havent
caught up yet with Flash player.

Sometimes it can be more exasperating than Windows, but once you get used
to it, it's pretty cool. And if you get SuSE or Saboyan (a "Live" DVD that
can run from your DVD drive) turn on Desktop effects and load the Beryl
Window Manager...makes Aero look pathetic.

OK, enough of a Linux rant. It's not for everyone.

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:15:15 -0800, karla.bonerstein wrote:

I hate to burst your balloons but you've got the wrong person. I did, in
my research, however notice a trend that seems common amongst Linux folks
and that is whenever they are losing a thread, and they are losing this
one badly, they accuse some person of being a flatfish.
I'm a little confused?
Is this like Godwin?


Flatfish has been posting the "I tried to install Insert Linux Version
here for at least 4 years, always ending in failure and 'threatening' to
go back to Windows, and calling Linux a POS.

Linux is NOT Windows, period. Don't expect it to be! See my other post on
versions to try. I've tried Red-Hat and Fedora and I hate it. Suse is
HUGE, and Ubuntu isn't very configurable, but installs easy and gets your
stuff right 99% of the time.

Try something easier than Fedora!

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:07:22 +0000, 7 wrote:

*Get*Linux*here...
*http://www.livecdlist.com
*http://www.distrowatch.com

*For*Beryl,*downloaded*latest*beta*release
*of*Ubuntu*(Feisty*Fawn)...
*http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/

*Install*Beryl*using*the*3*click*guide*which*links *from*here...
*http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/I...eryl_on_Ubuntu

*And*so*WoW,*after*3*clicks,*you*have*Beryl*up*and *running*on*your*PC!!!
**


Wanna explain that to me? I have a Diamond (ATi card)9550 AGP and can get
Beryl running on SuSE 10.2 and Saboyan, but Feisty is being...er, Feisty,
I can't get 3D turned on, so I can't get desktop effects/Beryl running!
Works great on SuSE and Saboyan! Saboyan installed and had XGL and Beryl
right out of the box!

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:14:04 -1000, Hertz_Donut wrote:


wrote in message
oups.com...
I've spent the last 3 days attempting to upgrade 4 Windows-XP systems to
Vista and have had various problems with software compatability. I've
spent countless hours on the phone and technical support websites and
finally after 3 days I have everything working. This fiasco has left me
with some doubt as to whether or not Microsoft has the ability to
maintain it's position as the defacto standard in operating systems.

After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system
which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board. I
downloaded Fedora and attempted to install.

First problem, my SATA drives were not found.

Google time 2 hours later I found the solution which was a
Custom Install Option.

(After a few cryptic questions and a partition manager that was
convoluted and potentially very dangerous in the hands of a new user,
Fedora was installed)

Second Problem, the system would not boot after install. I got a Grub
Error 15 message.

Google Time 5 Hours Later .. Oh boy I found lots of
information on this puppy. About 5 hours later I fixed the problem which
involved copying a know working Grub configuration file from some kind
soul on the net, modifying it for my particular system and replacing the
one already installed. I did this with a Knoppix LiveCD.

So now I can boot the system, but my display image is shifted way off
the screen and too low to click on anything.

Google Time 2 hours later Ok I learned how to boot to a
command line and edit the Xorg file to fix the entries that were
incorrect for my common Nvidia card.
So now I could see my desktop, but it was at 1024x768 and what appeared
to be 16 colors.

Google Time 3 hours later I discovered that there is no
apparent way to get 32bpp, 3D acceleration, 85hz and 1280x1024 all at
the same time like I have with Windows. Bummer.
I settled for 1280x1024 24bpp and no 3d because I don't use it and Linux
doesn't appear to have any games written for Linux anyhow.

So now I have the system up, am surfing the net and things look pretty
good.
Time to add a printer.
I go to the control panel and click on printers and peruse the list but
I don't see my Lexmark Multifunction listed? I do see a similar model
however so I decide to try this. It installs easy enough, but when I go
to print I get one line of gibberish on the top of the page, the page
ejects and the next page does the same thing over and over and over
again. Rebooting the system does no good because the printer, like a mad
beast, starts right up again wasting my paper. Finally I turn the damm
thing off while I.....................

Google Time 4 hours I discover Print Ques, printer names and the
wonderful account called root. I finally figure out how to purge this
thing and with some trepidation I turn the printer on and thankfully it
behaves.

Oh well, I don't need to print right now anyhow so on to my network. The
problem is, I can't see my other 3 Windows Vista machines. And now
it's.........
you guessed it!

GOOGLE TIME infinite I discover something called Samba, but I
also learn that Microsoft Vista and Samba are not friends but only after
a day and a hlf of playing with a smb.conf file and reading maybe a
hundred web pages devoted to helping people get Samba working, and this
is with Windows XP which supposedly plays nicely with Samba. I wouldn't
know know, I never got Samba working.

At this point, I took the Linux CD's, all 6 of them including the rescue
CD which seems useless BTW and tossed them, violently I might add, into
the dustbin.

I have wasted far too much time with this Linux crap and I don't intend
to waste another millisecond trying to shoehorn this pile of garbage
into my systems.

I can see why Linux is free.
It doesn't work!

I can also see why it is not even making the slightest ding in
Microsoft's armour:
It, Linux, doesn't work.

I'm not sure, but if the Linux users expect people, ordinary people, to
spend their lives Googling in order to make Linux work, they are daft.

Maybe in 10 years Linux might be able to install and work properly, but
for now Linux is too difficult and too buggy for the average user.

Karla


Karla...

Thanks for your post. I found it to be very informative.

Unfortunately, you have posted something that will cause all the penguin
heads to go nuts. Guess I'll have to not visit this newsgroup for a month
or two while all of the *nix zealots hemorrhage all over this newsgroup.

Enjoy


Nah...Don't like Linux? OK. I tried 6-8 times before I found one that
would work. So I'd wipe the drive and use it as an extra Windows volume.
Linux ain't for everyone. It's just another OS, and can be much more
frustrating than Windows.

But it can also be more powerful and more configurable. Depends what you
want to do and how much time you put into learning.

I've been using SuSE for 4 years and still don't know a whole lot, but I
have been able to recover from Linux disasters a LOT easier than when
Windows pukes!

Aldo Nova wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:15:15 -0800, karla.bonerstein wrote:

I hate to burst your balloons but you've got the wrong person. I did, in
my research, however notice a trend that seems common amongst Linux folks
and that is whenever they are losing a thread, and they are losing this
one badly, they accuse some person of being a flatfish.
I'm a little confused?
Is this like Godwin?


Flatfish has been posting the "I tried to install Insert Linux Version
here for at least 4 years, always ending in failure and 'threatening' to
go back to Windows, and calling Linux a POS.

Linux is NOT Windows, period. Don't expect it to be! See my other post on
versions to try. I've tried Red-Hat and Fedora and I hate it. Suse is
HUGE, and Ubuntu isn't very configurable, but installs easy and gets your
stuff right 99% of the time.

Try something easier than Fedora!

http://pclinuxos.com works for everyone I have encountered, over the
past two years. have handed out over 600 CDs of this distro, at demos
and lectures. Includes 1900 FREE games, programs, applications, browsers.

Hadron Quark wrote:

Stephan Rose writes:

I also do recall someone saying in this very newsgroup in a response to
me how they are glad Quicken doesn't run under Vista as its a total piece
of crap. =)

Anything that runs under Windows is referred to as crap by the COLA gang.

Actually, no. *Windows* is crap. Garbage of the worst order.
Windows apps are not crap by default. They /may/ be crap, and often are
--
Only two things are infinite,
the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein

"Alias" wrote in message
...

Not at all and had you specified I wouldn't have made the comment I did.

It's no ones responsibility to talk DOWN to a level you can understand.
Once again you fail to keep up with a conversation. You'll notice out of
the MANY active readers of this thread, only YOU didn't understand.

Even when it was spelled out for you, you continue to act like a child about
it.

YES ALIAS YOU WERE JUST INSULTED, DON'T ACT LIKE A MORON AND STATE THE
OBVIOUS YET AGAIN!!!

So...has anyone noticed he STILL hasn't answered the question? Typical!



"Alias" wrote in message
...
Hadron Quark wrote:
Alias writes:

wrote:
On Feb 25, 12:13 pm, arachnid wrote:
On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:02:25 -0800, jjwassermann wrote:
On Feb 25, 10:14 am, Kier wrote:
How come I can't play encrypted DVD's (time to go steal libdvdcss).
Steal it? How? It's freely available.
In the USA?
And if it is totally legal to use, why is it not included in Linux
distributions?
And why is it usually found on some remote site out in the middle of
the
Pacific Ocean?
Not that it matters to a full-of-BS troll, but just for general info
Americans can buy a legally licensed DVD decoder for Linux for $8
fromhttps://shop.fluendo.com. Other decoders are also available and
they also
have a package deal. Prices are given in Euros, go here to see what
they
are in dollars:http://www.xe.com/ucc/
1. You didn't answer the question. IOW if they are legal why are they
not included with Linux?
2.Why can't I use the legal decoder that came packaged with my DVD
player? I have to pay again just to use Linux?


Personally I'd absolutely *love* to see the media industry try to go
after
Linux users for just trying to view legally-purchased DVD's on their
computers. That would be the end of the DMCA.
I'd love to see the media industry eliminate DRM/DMCA all together.
Maybe it will happen if enough Windows and Apple users get ****ed off.

Linux won't be any help though because there aren't enough Linux users
to matter.


Considering that Linux users do not have to register, activate,
genuinize or otherwise report that they are using Linux, how would you
know how many there are?

I guess in the course of the last 10 years I know or have worked with
about 500 people. And out of them only about 2 had Linux - and that
was, like me, as a hobby. None of them used it in a commercial sense.

I can't help it if you hang out with the wrong crowd.

Alias

So I have to implement additional hardware that is going to sit unused about
90% of the time?

I'll ask a couple of our publishing houses about any compatibility issues
with Xara and Gimp.



"arachnid" wrote in message
newsan.2007.02.25.03.31.00.450908@goawayspammers .com...
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:27:56 -0800, Justin wrote:

"arachnid" wrote in message
newsan.2007.02.24.03.58.32.648292@goawayspammers .com...
Religious wars continue to rage over whether GIMP is better than
Photoshop, but whatever that case it's certainly close enough to replace
Photoshop for most uses. I'm no expert on video editing but Linux

Replace? I asked if there was anything that can OPEN Photoshop files.

That's like asking if we have anything can open text files.

We have project files sent to us that we must be able to open and work
on then send BACK in their original form. What apps, that are Linux
based, will allow me to open Photoshop, Illustrator and Quark files?
Work on them to the full extent of the original app and save them in
their original format?

I'm not familiar with Quark. Xara imports/imports Illustrator and
Photoshop, Gimp imports/exports Photoshop, and there are gobs of other
Linux tools for converting between open or easily reverse-engineered
graphics formats. Also, xnview has been ported to Linux though it remains
closed-source.

Conversion problems are an application problem rather than an OS
problem. They're quite common under Windows, too. The usual solution in
graphics shops is to keep an additional machine on which you install
whatever graphics applications your customers use. These aren't for
graphics work; they're only for importing files and exporting them in a
format that you (or your customer) can utilize. Most Linux shops keep one
Windows machine around for a similar purpose.

SSSSHHHHHH.....

I was waiting for a good use of the word "rub".

"COLA Moderator" wrote in message
...
Justin wrote:
"arachnid" wrote in message
newsan.2007.02.23.21.54.40.805930@goawayspammers .com...
Unfortunately, some of that HDD space they take up was formerly occupied
by a system DLL or config info for another program or for the OS
itself...
That's nonsense. Now your typing just to hear your keyboard.

No, I just enjoy rubbing it in.
Rubbing what in? Someone has to care in order for you to rub.


You just can't get enough of taking the bait of these cola trollas can
you? LOL

"Nina DiBoy" wrote in message ...
Yes, it really is.

That's all you got? You blow.... and not very well!

Hadron Quark wrote:

Stephan Rose writes:

I also do recall someone saying in this very newsgroup in a response to
me how they are glad Quicken doesn't run under Vista as its a total piece
of crap. =)

Anything that runs under Windows is referred to as crap by the COLA gang.

Too bad then it was a MS MVP that made that comment huh?

Quoting Richard Urban from the "Does any software work with vista" thread:

"If a WinXP program has been written poorly you are darn right it should be
dumped. Any Intuit application fits into this boat. They are all no good,
and haven't been for years. "

--
Stephan Rose
2003 Yamaha R6

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Aldo Nova wrote:

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:07:22 +0000, 7 wrote:

GetÂ*LinuxÂ*here...
http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

ForÂ*Beryl,Â*downloadedÂ*latestÂ*betaÂ*release
ofÂ*UbuntuÂ*(FeistyÂ*Fawn)...
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/

InstallÂ*BerylÂ*usingÂ*theÂ*3Â*clickÂ*guideÂ*which Â*linksÂ*fromÂ*here...
http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/I...eryl_on_Ubuntu

AndÂ*soÂ*WoW,Â*afterÂ*3Â*clicks,Â*youÂ*haveÂ*Beryl Â*upÂ*andÂ*runningÂ*onÂ*yourÂ*PC!!!



Wanna explain that to me? I have a Diamond (ATi card)9550 AGP and can get
Beryl running on SuSE 10.2 and Saboyan, but Feisty is being...er, Feisty,
I can't get 3D turned on, so I can't get desktop effects/Beryl running!
Works great on SuSE and Saboyan! Saboyan installed and had XGL and Beryl
right out of the box!

Well Feisty is also a beta. It says in big friggin letters when you go to
download it that it may not be stable and to expect it to break. So don't
complain when it does. =)

Run Dapper or Edgy...

--
Stephan Rose
2003 Yamaha R6

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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:02:25 -0800, jjwassermann wrote:

On Feb 25, 10:14 am, Kier wrote:
How come I can't play encrypted DVD's (time to go steal libdvdcss).

Steal it? How? It's freely available.

In the USA?
And if it is totally legal to use, why is it not included in Linux
distributions?

Blame your silly government.


And why is it usually found on some remote site out in the middle of
the Pacific Ocean?

See above.



Depends on the user. If he's had a friend reccommend Linux, or has read
some Linux magazines, or gone to the distro help forums and asked, he'll
know.

Quick find a neighbor, friend etc who uses Linux.
It's damm near impossible unless you live across the street from MIT
or something.

Actually, not so impossible as you think. I live in a small rural town,
and I know at least two other Linux users besides myself. Okay, that's not
a horde, but it's hardly no one. There are LUGs, forums, magazines, and
books, all to help the novice.


Why are my fonts horrible? (Time to go steal Microsoft ttfs) Assuming
the user knows this, which he won't.

The fonts aren't horrible, don't use that tired old lie. And the MS ones
will not be 'stolen', since they were made available to anyone who
observes the licence agreement.

If Linux ones are so good, why the need for the Microsoft fonts?

For compatibility.

And if they are not being stolen, why are they not included with
Linux?

Licence issues.



Why can't I see my other Windows machines on the family network? (Time
to discover Samba. That should take about a month to sort out)

Wrong, liar.

Really?
You need to get a clue.
There are entire websites set up to help people get Samba working.
The first problem is that there are about a dozen different tools to
do it with.
Confusion, that's the Linux way!

No, it isn't. Diversity is.





and so forth.

And so not.

Wake up and smell the cafe.

Try not being a troll.




You see the work 'perfect' above? That would seem to indicate that, yes,
it works fully.


The word perfect or supported means something totally different to a
Linux user.
Ask anyone who uses an ATI card.

I do.

Yea, you get a picture on the screen
Now try and use the advanced features of the card.
Good luck.

What, like all the fancy 3D? Man, I can get that working with a Live CD,
without even installing a thing. Can Windows do that?



Cue: "It's not Linux's fault that hardware manufacturers don't provide
specs for Linux programmers to write drivers:"

You were going to say that now weren't you?

Here's a clue: They don't provide specs for Windows programmers
either. They include the drivers for the current version of the OS in
the box.

So? How does that reflect badly on Linux?

When your hardware doesn't work, yes it does.

No, it doesn't. Linux developers do their damndest to support all the
hardware they can, but if specs are not provided, it's a much harder job.

Linux gets the blame when the same hardware works fine with Linux.
Only a Linux geek would see it any other way.

Wrong. When it works it's because the deves have made it work, or the
manufacturers have shown some sense.


When a ring lets go in your Toyota do you blame the manufacturer of
the ring or Toyota?

OSen are not cars. Car analogies are stupid.


Time invested? Maybe a few hours per day for a couple days to learn the
basics to work with the operating system....Nothing that is unreasonable to
expect form learning how to work with a new operating system.

Time for average Joe to get his data back after he hoses his system by
trying to install Linux infinite.

Except that installing Linux won't hose his system, liar.

Google says you are wrong.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...o ogle+Search

Here is a clue: Mommy is /dev/hda my "see drive" ?

Do you need Mommy to show you what to do all the time? I don't.

--
Kier