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  #61  
Old January 19th 19, 11:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 21:54:49 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul
writes:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
In many ways, XP was better than 7

Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
consider to be steps backward in Win 7?
That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too
late.
It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things
related to file management.
XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump
(scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and
probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3
seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can
take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green
bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen.
There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor
by itself, but all together they add up.


But del works a treat.

If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt
may be one way around it.

And comparatively speaking, "dir" is lightspeed
compared to Explorer, when dealing with large directories.
"dir" can seemingly read a 40GB $MFT in maybe 30 seconds
or so. It's fast enough, I was checking for "violations
of physics" :-)

If you know trouble is brewing, head to the Command Prompt.


I think Char was saying that, in XP, he didn't have to. He was answering
Stan's question "What are some of the things you consider to be steps
backward in Win 7?".


True, thanks. But then the thread seems to have immediately drifted a
bit, as they tend to do.

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  #62  
Old January 19th 19, 11:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike
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On 1/19/2019 1:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:17:11 -0500, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:17:21 -0500, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
In many ways, XP was better than 7

Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
consider to be steps backward in Win 7?
That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late.
It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things
related to file management.

XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump
(scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and
probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3
seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can
take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green
bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen.
There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor
by itself, but all together they add up.

But del works a treat.

If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt
may be one way around it.

Definitely agree that Command Prompt is faster, but I'm usually
multitasking so I tend to start an operation, mass copy/move/delete, for
example, then flip to another window or to a VM and work there while the
first one chugs through.


You can use Robocopy to delete trees. You can use the /mir
function, to mirror an empty directory on top of a tree
and blow the tree away.


There are lots of workarounds to the issues that Win Explorer has, but
many of them aren't practical. I like the creative thinking, though.

I've found Total Commander to be a great workaround for Win Explorer.
  #63  
Old January 20th 19, 12:28 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
pyotr filipivich
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nospam on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:11:45 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

Have you heard of this comic strip called "Dilbert"? It's about
the travails of an engineer who wants to do "good work" but is
provided no useful information. The "end user" is a mythical entity,
but is also not the person who says "yes, that is what is wanted".


the end user is not mythical and they say 'that's what i want' by
deciding to buy or not buy your product, by posting favourable or
critical reviewsa and by recommending it or not recommending it to
others.


If you are the guy who is crafting a product for a customer, good.
You can ask him directly, all the questions that are relevant: "what
is it you want?" You get the feedback directly.
When you am further away from the front desk, up the chain of
supply, all you know is what your supervisor gave you in the spec, and
you produced product to his spec. It passes QA, you get paid, all is
good. Even if it is not what the customer wanted. But what you made
is what the customer "told" the sales rep, who sent it in, and the
word came down, and"Lo, it promotes plant growth, and none may gainsay
it!"



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  #64  
Old January 20th 19, 01:29 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:54:56 -0800, Mike wrote:

On 1/19/2019 1:39 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:17:11 -0500, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:17:21 -0500, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:16:37 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:53:52 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
In many ways, XP was better than 7

Really? I remember when I got my Windows 7 laptop, how much easier
Windows 7 was to use than XP. What are some of the things you
consider to be steps backward in Win 7?
That's a valid question, but for me it comes quite a few years too late.
It's hard to answer with specifics, but I do remember a couple of things
related to file management.

XP's Windows Explorer never tried to be smarter than me and jump
(scroll) the folder display. Classic Shell fixes that in 7 and 8, and
probably 10. Also, in XP I could delete a few thousand files in 2-3
seconds, likewise with emptying the Recycle Bin. Starting with 7, it can
take 30-60 seconds to do the same, but at least I get to watch a green
bar slowly move across the path display at the top of the screen.
There's lots more that I'm forgetting now, each of them probably minor
by itself, but all together they add up.

But del works a treat.

If you have an issue like that, the Command Prompt
may be one way around it.

Definitely agree that Command Prompt is faster, but I'm usually
multitasking so I tend to start an operation, mass copy/move/delete, for
example, then flip to another window or to a VM and work there while the
first one chugs through.


You can use Robocopy to delete trees. You can use the /mir
function, to mirror an empty directory on top of a tree
and blow the tree away.


There are lots of workarounds to the issues that Win Explorer has, but
many of them aren't practical. I like the creative thinking, though.

I've found Total Commander to be a great workaround for Win Explorer.



Total Commander isn't a bad choice, but as far as I'm concerned,
Directory Opus is much better.
  #65  
Old January 20th 19, 03:40 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system

In article , pyotr
filipivich wrote:

Have you heard of this comic strip called "Dilbert"? It's about
the travails of an engineer who wants to do "good work" but is
provided no useful information. The "end user" is a mythical entity,
but is also not the person who says "yes, that is what is wanted".


the end user is not mythical and they say 'that's what i want' by
deciding to buy or not buy your product, by posting favourable or
critical reviewsa and by recommending it or not recommending it to
others.


If you are the guy who is crafting a product for a customer, good.
You can ask him directly, all the questions that are relevant: "what
is it you want?" You get the feedback directly.
When you am further away from the front desk, up the chain of
supply, all you know is what your supervisor gave you in the spec, and
you produced product to his spec. It passes QA, you get paid, all is
good. Even if it is not what the customer wanted. But what you made
is what the customer "told" the sales rep, who sent it in, and the
word came down, and"Lo, it promotes plant growth, and none may gainsay
it!"


that's how to create ****ty software.
  #66  
Old January 20th 19, 05:48 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:10:20 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

nospam on Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:34:56 -0500
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:


[snip]

if they don't understand what users need, they shouldn't be writing
apps for them.


Depends on who their "user" is? There is the cartoon of how the
different departments design a "swing", all of which involve at least
one plank and two ropes. "What the customer wanted:" is a tire swing.


There are many variations. Here is one example of it:
http://projectcartoon.com/cartoon/46980

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
  #67  
Old January 20th 19, 06:15 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Aslan Bashiyev
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Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/18/2019 5:13 PM, Aslan Bashiyev wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?


You might as well try lengthen the life of democracy in Hong Kong
using the legal system.


Off-topic!


The comparison clearly tells you what are your chances of forcing
Microsoft to extend its support of Windows 7. As such, the comparison
is very on-topic for your question.

The off-topic was your cross-post to groups not about Windows 7.

Do that if you got military strength!


If you want to force Microsoft to extend its support of Windows 7, you
had better get yourself a massive war chest (戰*基金). You may need quite
a few billion dollars to see it through. In the end, you will only make
lawyers rich.

If you have that kind of money (and you do not), you would get better
results by putting it into ReactOS development.

Anyway, the life and death of Hong Kong doesn't bother anyone nor
matter.


國家興亡,匹夫有責。


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  #68  
Old January 20th 19, 11:00 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In article , ple
says...

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 1/18/2019 5:13 PM, Aslan Bashiyev wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Lengthen the life of Windows 7 using the legal system

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

You might as well try lengthen the life of democracy in Hong Kong
using the legal system.


Off-topic!


The comparison clearly tells you what are your chances of forcing
Microsoft to extend its support of Windows 7. As such, the comparison
is very on-topic for your question.

The off-topic was your cross-post to groups not about Windows 7.

Do that if you got military strength!


If you want to force Microsoft to extend its support of Windows 7, you
had better get yourself a massive war chest (????). You may need quite
a few billion dollars to see it through. In the end, you will only make
lawyers rich.

If you have that kind of money (and you do not), you would get better
results by putting it into ReactOS development.

Anyway, the life and death of Hong Kong doesn't bother anyone nor
matter.


????,?????


Wouldn't it make more sense to have a law that demanded all discontinued
and unsupported software MUST have the software code plus any other
pertinenet info released to the public?

Least then instead of it becoming worthless garbage to be thrown away,
someone might still actually have use for it. Think "green"
  #69  
Old January 20th 19, 07:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
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On 2019-01-19 10:43, Chris wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?


Based on what? It's practically a 10 year old os that had been superseded
twice (three times, if you include 8.1) and Microsoft has very clearly and
in plenty of time announced its EOL.

So not a chance.

As others have said though there's nothing to stop you from continuing to
use it.

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.


It's a horrible os, but it does work as well as any windows release.




I do not agree at all.

Especially on slower laptops, Windows 10 runs absolutely TERRIBLE -
cheap Pentium laptops for example like HP G4 250. It should not be even
preinstalled on those machines.
  #70  
Old January 20th 19, 07:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Filip454 wrote:
On 2019-01-19 10:43, Chris wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?


Based on what? It's practically a 10 year old os that had been superseded
twice (three times, if you include 8.1) and Microsoft has very clearly
and
in plenty of time announced its EOL.

So not a chance.

As others have said though there's nothing to stop you from continuing to
use it.

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.


It's a horrible os, but it does work as well as any windows release.




I do not agree at all.

Especially on slower laptops, Windows 10 runs absolutely TERRIBLE -
cheap Pentium laptops for example like HP G4 250. It should not be even
preinstalled on those machines.


That can happen if there's no graphics driver.

There's one Intel SOC where it appears the graphics core
was some sort of orphan, and it leaves the bad impression
that Intel doesn't support the driver (as if the single
driver done, was done by some other company).

That particular model of laptop has multiple processor options,
which would make if difficult to research the issue.

Paul
  #71  
Old January 20th 19, 08:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.freeware,alt.conspiracy
Chris
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On 20/01/2019 18:07, Filip454 wrote:
On 2019-01-19 10:43, Chris wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?


Based on what? It's practically a 10 year old os that had been superseded
twice (three times, if you include 8.1) and Microsoft has very clearly
and
in plenty of time announced its EOL.

So not a chance.

As others have said though there's nothing to stop you from continuing to
use it.

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.


It's a horrible os, but it does work as well as any windows release.




I do not agree at all.

Especially on slower laptops, Windows 10 runs absolutely TERRIBLE -
cheap Pentium laptops for example like HP G4 250. It should not be even
preinstalled on those machines.


Windows has never worked well on under-powered (for it's generation)
hardware.

My "works as well as as any windows" is a very back-handed comment. It
means that when it works it works fine, but sometimes it can be crashy
as hell for people for no real reason.

  #72  
Old January 20th 19, 10:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
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Chris wrote:
On 20/01/2019 18:07, Filip454 wrote:
On 2019-01-19 10:43, Chris wrote:
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Can a class-action suit be filed to US Court to force Micro$oft to
extend its support for Windows 7?

Based on what? It's practically a 10 year old os that had been
superseded
twice (three times, if you include 8.1) and Microsoft has very
clearly and
in plenty of time announced its EOL.

So not a chance.

As others have said though there's nothing to stop you from
continuing to
use it.

I do NOT think Windows 10 is ready for the prime time, it's update is
absolutely as horrifying as a data doomsday.

It's a horrible os, but it does work as well as any windows release.




I do not agree at all.

Especially on slower laptops, Windows 10 runs absolutely TERRIBLE -
cheap Pentium laptops for example like HP G4 250. It should not be
even preinstalled on those machines.


Windows has never worked well on under-powered (for it's generation)
hardware.

My "works as well as as any windows" is a very back-handed comment. It
means that when it works it works fine, but sometimes it can be crashy
as hell for people for no real reason.


I've benched hardware under the various OSes, and
there really isn't much difference at the CPU cycle
level. Since Windows 10 "reserves" cycles to remain
responsive, you have to "oversubscribe on threads" to
get 100% of the CPU capability. For example, on a 4 core
CPU, you might use 8 threads in 7ZIP ultra, to drive the
CPU to 100% instead of 85-90%.

By doing some careful benchmarking, on "relatively simple"
architectures, there's no difference. Windows 7 is ahead
by maybe 1%, but it could easily be "poor technique" on
my part or measurement error. I repeated some of my work
three times (cache warmup or whatever), just to make sure
I wasn't doing it wrong. You either cache warmup, or you
reboot before every test sequence to re-establish initial state.

When the CPU arch is "squirrel strange", like on a ThreadRipper
or Epyc, more holes could show through. Embarrassing holes,
that make it apparent the CPU isn't tuned by any OS loaded
on it. When facilities in a CPU are not uniform, this is
what happens. (Even though Microsoft has moaned and groaned
for several of their OSes, that "things were better".)

AMDs next version, the one that uses chiplets, hopes to get
around this issue by making things more symmetric, more of
the time.

On an Intel processor with the dual rotating rings, you
lose around one core of performance due to the bus. A six
core processor gives five cores of thruput. Intel attempted
to fix that using mesh busses (a bus array), but I've not
examined any results on the web to see whether that improved
things or not. And you got "more of your moneys worth".

The interconnect issue was present in previous generations.
A Q6600 which consists of two dual-core dies in the same
CPU package, gives around 3.5 cores of performance out
of a max of 4 cores. This is due to snoop traffic on the
FSB - both cores share the FSB with the Northbridge
connection, and "chit-chat" between processors robs
the design of a bit of performance. Once the memory
controller and PCIe video were brought inside the
CPU, and the CPU consisted of one core, the efficiency
came back.

Usually a 4C8T processor is small enough now, to be
"devoid of squirrels". Anything larger, do the research.

And integrated video is another issue. There is at least
one SOC that had a strange GPU in it, and only one driver
was made for it. Which in a rolling release like Windows 10,
is a liability (since the WDDM version number could be bumped).

Paul
  #73  
Old January 20th 19, 10:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 06:00:21 -0400, pjp
wrote:

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a law that demanded all discontinued
and unsupported software MUST have the software code plus any other
pertinenet info released to the public?

Least then instead of it becoming worthless garbage to be thrown away,
someone might still actually have use for it. Think "green"


Nice idea, but I wouldn't expect Microsoft, for example, to be too eager
to be involved. We might find out just how much of the Windows 95 code
is still alive and kicking in the latest OS versions.

--

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