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  #31  
Old January 20th 09, 01:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Richie Hardwick[_2_]
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:57:24 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:52:40 -0600, Richie Hardwick
wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:49:53 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

Casper works best if it can clone to a second internal drive. If the
clone is made on an external drive, and a restoration is required,
there is a problem: one will need a bootable CD with Casper on it and
that will cost an additional $10 in addition to the $50 purchase price
of the program.

I bought a sata/usb enclosure and put a Seagate drive in it.

I am currently backing up using usb with the enclosure.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817173042

I can take the drive, replace my current C drive and it boots normally.


Of course it will.

I can even hook the enclosure sata cable to my C drive sata connector
and boot from the external drive.


Of course it will.

In both cases, your drive then becomes an internal drive. Try doing
that without installing the drive to internal connectors.


Yes, but you didn't make yourself clear in what you wrote.


"External" and "Internal" aren't defined by the physical location of
the drive, but by the connection to the computer. Can't help it if
you're not up to speed on even the simplest of technical terms.


Norman
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important things of life, there'd
be a shortage of fishing poles.
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  #32  
Old January 20th 09, 04:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Anna
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?


"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
(SNIP)
I don't have an eSata connection, thanks for the suggestion, though.



Wally:
In your original post (I think it was your first one) re this thread you
stated (in part) the following...

"I then went to external sata, but was getting a missing drive error when
external was shut off. Not a big deal, but I wanted things clean.
Since the enclosure I bought was usb and also sata, I opted to go with the
usb option so I could easily turn off the external drive."

So you apparently have a SATA-USB external enclosure that has SATA-to-SATA
connectivity capability, right?

So I responded with the following...

"Now about the problem you experienced with your external SATA HDD...

It would really be worthwhile if there was some practical way to achieve
SATA-to-SATA capability between the external SATA HDD and your Dell 8400.
Obviously that desktop machine is not equipped (insofar as I know) with an
eSATA port, so that type of connectivity wouldn't be available. But if it
was possible to affix a simple eSATA adapter (they run around $10 or so) to
a vacant backplane slot on the case and achieve SATA-to-SATA connectivity
that way (the SATA data cable affixed to the adapter is simply connected to
one of the motherboard's SATA connectors), it would be much more desirable
than using a USBEHD to serve as the destination drive, i.e., the recipient
of the cloned (boot) HDD. For two reasons...
1. The data transfer rate would be significantly faster, and,
2. The external SATA HDD would be potentially bootable since it would
contain the cloned contents of your boot drive. Under these circumstances
the system treats the external SATA HDD as an *internal* HDD.

(Another possibility if you're so inclined is to simply run the SATA signal
(data) cable from the SATA enclosure (I'm assuming it's a eSATA port)
*directly* to a vacant SATA connector on the motherboard (I believe there
are four SATA connectors on the system board, yes?). So you would need a
SATA data cable with a SATA connector on one end and an eSATA connector on
the other end.)

(EDIT: Re my following comment...I was assuming that the problem you related
was based on a SATA-to-SATA connection between your external HDD enclosure
and your PC. But I have come to realize this might not have been the case.
So the following may not at all be relevant to your situation)...

I think the problem you have experienced with the failure of the system to
detect the external SATA HDD may be a "hot-plugging" issue. If you connect
and power-up the device *prior to* booting to the OS, there's no problem
with the system recognizing the external SATA HDD. Is that right?

However if the connection/powering up the SATA external HDD occurs
*following* bootup it's then you experience the non-recognition problem,
right?

If this is the case, there's probably a simple solution. Access Device
Manager, and right-click on "Disk drives", then click on the "Scan for
hardware changes" menu item. The drive should then be detected and listed in
the "Disk drives" section.
Anna"

And I might mention in addition to the above that many, if not most, of the
SATA external enclosures now include such an adapter as I indicated above.

Anyway, the point is you do not *need* an eSATA port to achieve SATA-to-SATA
connectivity (although it's a most desirable feature that I wish was
included on *every* desktop motherboard). I wasn't sure from your last post
that you understand this. As I explained above, it's really a significant
advantage for a desktop PC user to have this type of capability if at all
practical for him or her. (Laptop/notebook users can also avail themselves
of this feature through an eSATA ExpressCard.)
Anna


  #33  
Old January 20th 09, 08:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Anna
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?




"WaIIy" wrote in message
. ..
(SNIP)
I don't have an eSata connection, thanks for the suggestion, though.




Wally:
"Now about the problem you experienced with your external SATA HDD...

It would really be worthwhile if there was some practical way to achieve
SATA-to-SATA capability between the external SATA HDD and your Dell 8400.
Obviously that desktop machine is not equipped (insofar as I know) with an
eSATA port, so that type of connectivity wouldn't be available. But if it
was possible to affix a simple eSATA adapter (they run around $10 or so)
to
a vacant backplane slot on the case and achieve SATA-to-SATA connectivity
that way (the SATA data cable affixed to the adapter is simply connected
to
one of the motherboard's SATA connectors), it would be much more desirable
than using a USBEHD to serve as the destination drive, i.e., the recipient
of the cloned (boot) HDD. For two reasons...
1. The data transfer rate would be significantly faster, and,
2. The external SATA HDD would be potentially bootable since it would
contain the cloned contents of your boot drive. Under these circumstances
the system treats the external SATA HDD as an *internal* HDD.



Wally responds...
I can do that. If I connect my enclosure to the external connector I
put on the back of my computer, I can boot and run off the external.
I switched the external sata cable inside my computer to the
original C drive plug. Haven't tried any other way.



On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:43:59 -0500, "Anna" wrote:
(Another possibility if you're so inclined is to simply run the SATA
signal
(data) cable from the SATA enclosure (I'm assuming it's a eSATA port)
*directly* to a vacant SATA connector on the motherboard (I believe there
are four SATA connectors on the system board, yes?). So you would need a
SATA data cable with a SATA connector on one end and an eSATA connector on
the other end.)


(EDIT: Re my following comment...I was assuming that the problem you
related
was based on a SATA-to-SATA connection between your external HDD enclosure
and your PC. But I have come to realize this might not have been the

case.
So the following may not at all be relevant to your situation)...

I think the problem you have experienced with the failure of the system to
detect the external SATA HDD may be a "hot-plugging" issue. If you connect
and power-up the device *prior to* booting to the OS, there's no problem
with the system recognizing the external SATA HDD. Is that right?

However if the connection/powering up the SATA external HDD occurs
*following* bootup it's then you experience the non-recognition problem,
right?

If this is the case, there's probably a simple solution. Access Device
Manager, and right-click on "Disk drives", then click on the "Scan for
hardware changes" menu item. The drive should then be detected and listed
in
the "Disk drives" section.
Anna"

And I might mention in addition to the above that many, if not most, of
the
SATA external enclosures now include such an adapter as I indicated above.

Anyway, the point is you do not *need* an eSATA port to achieve SATA-to-
SATA connectivity (although it's a most desirable feature that I wish was
included on *every* desktop motherboard). I wasn't sure from your last
post
that you understand this. As I explained above, it's really a significant
advantage for a desktop PC user to have this type of capability if at all
practical for him or her. (Laptop/notebook users can also avail themselves
of this feature through an eSATA ExpressCard.)
Anna



"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
The usb takes about the same time as a direct sata connection. I don't
know why.

The problem is the bios error on boot with the external sata drive
turned off. It's looking for something on the port and it stops the
computer and asks me to push F-1 to proceed or F-2 to go to the bios.

I have to turn off the external port in the bios to not get the error.

Odd, though. My bios tells me the default setting is to have them all
enabled.



Wally:
As far as the USB & SATA-to-SATA connections result in roughly the same data
transfer rate in your experience could be due to the amount of data being
copied/transferred. If it's not a very substantial amount of data that's
involved then it's reasonable to assume there won't be too great of a
difference between the two types of devices re data transfer rates. And
sometimes it's simply due to the construction of the enclosure that has both
capabilities. But generally speaking a SATA-to-SATA data transfer rate is
faster than a USB transfer. At least based on our experience.

Your "bios error" may be due to the fact that you've connected the external
SATA HDD to your first SATA connector (either labeled SATA0 or SATA1
depending upon the system board). Your day-to-day internal SATA boot drive
should ordinarily be connected to the first SATA connector on the system
board. I don't know if that's the cause of the problem you're experiencing
but I thought I'd mention it as a possibility.

Anyway, check your boot priority order in the BIOS to determine that the
settings seem correct there.
Anna


  #34  
Old January 20th 09, 09:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:25:09 -0500, "Anna" wrote:


WaIIy wrote:

(SNIP)
I don't think you can make a bootable clone to a partition on the
destination disk. I admit I could be wrong about that.

For one thing, the partiton has to be active to be bootable and you
can only have one active partition on a disk AFAIK.


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, maybe Anna can weigh in on this. I assume Casper has some way of
keeping the destination drive partition marked active and yet its not
being a problem, IF that drive is being used as the destination drive.



Wally:
Bill is absolutely correct. There's no problem using the Casper 5 program
to
clone the contents of one's booting HDD (the "source" HDD) to a
*partition*
on the destination HDD, i.e., the recipient of the clone.

Taking the example where a user's destination HDD is a USB external
HDD...


snip

Well, after reading this more times, I comprehend what you're saying.

I'm surprised I can clone my C drive that has three partitions to one of
three partitions on a second drive.

Live and learn - Thanks for taking the time to explain all this.
Wally


I think you meant above that you can clone A partition on your C drive over
to a (cloned) partition on the second drive.


  #35  
Old January 20th 09, 09:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:25:09 -0500, "Anna" wrote:


WaIIy wrote:

(SNIP)
I don't think you can make a bootable clone to a partition on the
destination disk. I admit I could be wrong about that.

For one thing, the partiton has to be active to be bootable and you
can only have one active partition on a disk AFAIK.


"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Well, maybe Anna can weigh in on this. I assume Casper has some way of
keeping the destination drive partition marked active and yet its not
being a problem, IF that drive is being used as the destination drive.



Wally:
Bill is absolutely correct. There's no problem using the Casper 5 program
to
clone the contents of one's booting HDD (the "source" HDD) to a
*partition*
on the destination HDD, i.e., the recipient of the clone.

Taking the example where a user's destination HDD is a USB external
HDD...

Let's say the user (for one reason or another) divides his/her USBEHD
into
five partitions. He or she could then clone the contents of their
"source"
HDD to *any* partition on that USBEHD that the user desired. (This
naturally
assumes the partition is sufficient in size to hold the cloned contents).
There would be *no* need to "mark active" the destination partition in
any
way.


When I go to clone C to H (my external), Casper tells me all the data on
the drive will be erased.
Also, Casper (not me) marks my drive "Active". The drive was not
marked Active before I did the clone.

My C drive is marked "Healthy (System)" and H is "Healthy (Active)"
Again, I did not have my H drive active, Casper did it.


Should the user clone the contents of *any* partition on that USBEHD
containing a bootable clone to their internal source HDD for restoration
purposes, i.e., the source HDD had failed or the user's OS became
corrupted
& dysfunctional, that HDD would become bootable & functional without any
further ado. It's as simple as that.

If, on the other hand the user is interested in maintaining
"generational"
copies of his or her system at particular points in time this can also be
accomplished using the Casper program. One can multi-partition their
USBEHD
into as many partitions as they think they will need to hold the contents
of
their source HDD at various points-in-time. Obviously the size of the
destination drive and the estimated amount of the cloned contents
throughout
the period of time would be decisive factors in determining how may
partitions can the user create on that destination drive.

So *any* of the partitions on the USBEHD could be simply cloned to an
internal HDD for restoration purposes.

The scenario is slightly different should the destination HDD be another
*internal* HDD or a *external* SATA HDD having SATA-to-SATA capability
(as I
explained in my previous post to Wally) and the user has
*multi-partitioned*
that drive. As we know, the system treats that latter HDD as an
*internal*
HDD.

The ordinary scenario, of course, is simply where the user clones the
contents of his or her source HDD (it's immaterial whether the source HDD
contains a single partition or is multi-partitioned) to their internal
HDD.
Since the destination HDD will thus be a precise copy of the source HDD,
it
will be immediately bootable & functional in exactly the same manner as
the
user's source HDD. No "restore" or "recovery" process is necessary.

But let's take another example in which the user also multi-partitions
his
or her *internal* destination HDD. Because that destination HDD is a
potentially *bootable* device, the user can clone the contents of his/her
source HDD to *any* of the partitions on the destination drive and any
primary partition can be selected as the "active" partition and thus be
selected as the boot drive.

Continuing the example, say that the user is interested in maintaining
"generational" copies of his or her system at particular points in time.
So
he or she multi-partitions their destination HDD (again we're talking
about
either another internal HDD or a SATA-to-SATA connected *external* HDD)
into
10 partitions. Thereafter the user clones their source disk to each
partition at different points-in-time. (Obviously the size of the
destination drive and the estimated amount of cloned contents would be a
factor in determining how may partitions can the user create on that
destination drive).

So we'll say that on 1/15 the cloned contents of the source system
resides
on partition #1. On 1/20 the clone "goes" to partition #2. On 1/25
partition
#3, and so on...

Should the user subsequently need to restore his/her system with any of
the
primary partitions (the first three partitions on the disk) he or she can
do
so by marking the particular partition as the "active" partition. This
would
be done either through Disk Management or should DM was inaccessible,
then
by the bootable Casper "Startup Disk" (CD). Naturally, if the cloned
contents resided on a Logical Drive (within an extended partition) one
could
not designate that partition as active. In that situation the contents of
a
Logical Drive would need to be cloned to a Primary Partition and then
made
active. But note that if the contents of the Logical Drive were cloned to
*another* (internal) HDD, those contents, i.e., that partition, would
automatically
be designated active and the internal HDD would be completely bootable &
functional. Again, no special "restore" or "recovery" process need be
undertaken other than a simple partition-to-disk-cloning operation.

Generally speaking, we believe that where a user's prime interest is in
maintaining "generational" copies of his or her system it's probably more
practical to use a disk-imaging program such as Acronis True Image,
Symantec's Ghost, or others. Although it is entirely possible to use the
Casper 5 program for this purpose as explained above.
Anna


I'm very confused. I think you are saying I can clone my C drive to a
partition on another drive.

I didn't think I could do that.

Let's say my C drive has three partitions. I don't think you can clone
that to one partition on another drive. Doesn't make sense to me.

My understanding is a CLONE wipes out the destination drive.

I guess I need to understand when you mean COPY and when you mean
CLONE in your descriptions above.

or, I'm just confused


Think of partition cloning as making an exact copy of the source drive's
partition on the destination drive. Like if your source drive has C and D
partitions, and you clone just the C partition, that one, and that one
alone, will be copied to the destination drive.

OR

If you clone the entire drive, ALL partitions on the source drive are
copied over to the second drive, and in that case (unless I'm mistaken
here), you're right - the destination drive will have whatever was
previously stored on it, wiped out.


  #36  
Old January 20th 09, 10:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

Anna wrote:
"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
(SNIP)
I don't have an eSata connection, thanks for the suggestion, though.




Wally:
"Now about the problem you experienced with your external SATA HDD...

It would really be worthwhile if there was some practical way to achieve
SATA-to-SATA capability between the external SATA HDD and your Dell
8400.
Obviously that desktop machine is not equipped (insofar as I know) with
an
eSATA port, so that type of connectivity wouldn't be available. But if
it
was possible to affix a simple eSATA adapter (they run around $10 or so)
to
a vacant backplane slot on the case and achieve SATA-to-SATA
connectivity
that way (the SATA data cable affixed to the adapter is simply connected
to
one of the motherboard's SATA connectors), it would be much more
desirable
than using a USBEHD to serve as the destination drive, i.e., the
recipient
of the cloned (boot) HDD. For two reasons...
1. The data transfer rate would be significantly faster, and,
2. The external SATA HDD would be potentially bootable since it would
contain the cloned contents of your boot drive. Under these
circumstances
the system treats the external SATA HDD as an *internal* HDD.



Wally responds...
I can do that. If I connect my enclosure to the external connector I
put on the back of my computer, I can boot and run off the external.
I switched the external sata cable inside my computer to the
original C drive plug. Haven't tried any other way.



On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:43:59 -0500, "Anna" wrote:
(Another possibility if you're so inclined is to simply run the SATA
signal
(data) cable from the SATA enclosure (I'm assuming it's a eSATA port)
*directly* to a vacant SATA connector on the motherboard (I believe
there
are four SATA connectors on the system board, yes?). So you would need a
SATA data cable with a SATA connector on one end and an eSATA connector
on
the other end.)


(EDIT: Re my following comment...I was assuming that the problem you
related
was based on a SATA-to-SATA connection between your external HDD
enclosure
and your PC. But I have come to realize this might not have been the
case.
So the following may not at all be relevant to your situation)...

I think the problem you have experienced with the failure of the system
to
detect the external SATA HDD may be a "hot-plugging" issue. If you
connect
and power-up the device *prior to* booting to the OS, there's no problem
with the system recognizing the external SATA HDD. Is that right?

However if the connection/powering up the SATA external HDD occurs
*following* bootup it's then you experience the non-recognition problem,
right?

If this is the case, there's probably a simple solution. Access Device
Manager, and right-click on "Disk drives", then click on the "Scan for
hardware changes" menu item. The drive should then be detected and
listed
in
the "Disk drives" section.
Anna"

And I might mention in addition to the above that many, if not most, of
the
SATA external enclosures now include such an adapter as I indicated
above.

Anyway, the point is you do not *need* an eSATA port to achieve SATA-to-
SATA connectivity (although it's a most desirable feature that I wish
was
included on *every* desktop motherboard). I wasn't sure from your last
post
that you understand this. As I explained above, it's really a
significant
advantage for a desktop PC user to have this type of capability if at
all
practical for him or her. (Laptop/notebook users can also avail
themselves
of this feature through an eSATA ExpressCard.)
Anna



"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
The usb takes about the same time as a direct sata connection. I don't
know why.

The problem is the bios error on boot with the external sata drive
turned off. It's looking for something on the port and it stops the
computer and asks me to push F-1 to proceed or F-2 to go to the bios.

I have to turn off the external port in the bios to not get the error.

Odd, though. My bios tells me the default setting is to have them all
enabled.



Wally:
As far as the USB & SATA-to-SATA connections result in roughly the same
data
transfer rate in your experience could be due to the amount of data being
copied/transferred. If it's not a very substantial amount of data that's
involved then it's reasonable to assume there won't be too great of a
difference between the two types of devices re data transfer rates. And
sometimes it's simply due to the construction of the enclosure that has
both
capabilities. But generally speaking a SATA-to-SATA data transfer rate is
faster than a USB transfer. At least based on our experience.


And roughly twice as fast, as I recall?? I guess the USB2 vs SATA specs
could give some idea; however that assumes the hardware is operating at the
spec limits.

I *do* know that using my internal SATA to SATA transfer is a LOT faster
than when I was using the USBEXT drive. ike around twice as fast, as I
recall.

I probably should recall better, since I've done several such transfers, but
it's been awhile since I was using the USBEXT hard drive enclosure, due to
the HUGE difference in speed - and convenience.


  #37  
Old January 20th 09, 10:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Anna
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"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
I'm very confused. I think you are saying I can clone my C drive to a
partition on another drive.

I didn't think I could do that.

Let's say my C drive has three partitions. I don't think you can clone
that to one partition on another drive. Doesn't make sense to me.

My understanding is a CLONE wipes out the destination drive.

I guess I need to understand when you mean COPY and when you mean CLONE
in your descriptions above.
or, I'm just confused



Wally:
Yes, as I've tried to explain, Casper 5 does have the capability of doing
exactly that.

You can set up as many partitions as you desire on your destination drive -
say a USB external HDD - and clone those three partitions (presumably
encompassing the entire source disk, yes?) to *any* partition that you set
up on your destination HDD. The *only* requirement is that the destination
partition is, of course, sufficient in size to hold the contents of your
source HDD, i.e., the three partitions. In other words you're cloning the
disk containing the three partitions to a single partition on the
destination drive if that's what you want. The remaining partitions on the
destination drive can then be used for *any* purpose you want.

On the other hand, if you wanted to clone *individual* partitions on the
source disk to a particular partition on the destination drive you could
also do that. It would simply be a partition-to-partition clone.

Hope I've made this clear.
Anna



  #38  
Old January 20th 09, 11:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

Anna wrote:
"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
I'm very confused. I think you are saying I can clone my C drive to a
partition on another drive.

I didn't think I could do that.

Let's say my C drive has three partitions. I don't think you can clone
that to one partition on another drive. Doesn't make sense to me.

My understanding is a CLONE wipes out the destination drive.

I guess I need to understand when you mean COPY and when you mean CLONE
in your descriptions above.
or, I'm just confused



Wally:
Yes, as I've tried to explain, Casper 5 does have the capability of doing
exactly that.

You can set up as many partitions as you desire on your destination
drive -
say a USB external HDD - and clone those three partitions (presumably
encompassing the entire source disk, yes?) to *any* partition that you set
up on your destination HDD. The *only* requirement is that the destination
partition is, of course, sufficient in size to hold the contents of your
source HDD, i.e., the three partitions. In other words you're cloning the
disk containing the three partitions to a single partition on the
destination drive if that's what you want. The remaining partitions on the
destination drive can then be used for *any* purpose you want.

On the other hand, if you wanted to clone *individual* partitions on the
source disk to a particular partition on the destination drive you could
also do that. It would simply be a partition-to-partition clone.

Hope I've made this clear.
Anna


Well then it appears I didn't understand it fully. I was under the
impression you could EITHER do a partition-by-partition cloning operation,
OR clone the entire HD with or without several partitions over the
destination disk.

And NOT that you could clone, for example 5 individual source drive
partitions over to a SINGLE partition on the destination drive, UNLESS that
one is just a big logical one that incorporates the five partitions - but
it's still really 5 partitions on the destination drive that were
effectively cloned, and not just one, and each would presumably have a
different drive letter assoicated with it. Or maybe it depends on how you
look at it.


  #39  
Old January 20th 09, 11:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Anna writes...
Wally:
Bill is absolutely correct. There's no problem using the Casper 5
program to clone the contents of one's booting HDD (the "source" HDD) to
a *partition* on the destination HDD, i.e., the recipient of the clone.

Taking the example where a user's destination HDD is a USB external
HDD...



WaIIy wrote:
Well, after reading this more times, I comprehend what you're saying.

I'm surprised I can clone my C drive that has three partitions to one of
three partitions on a second drive.

Live and learn - Thanks for taking the time to explain all this.
Wally



"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
I think you meant above that you can clone A partition on your C drive
over to a (cloned) partition on the second drive.



"Bill in Co." wrote in message
...
Think of partition cloning as making an exact copy of the source drive's
partition on the destination drive. Like if your source drive has C and
D partitions, and you clone just the C partition, that one, and that one
alone, will be copied to the destination drive.

OR

If you clone the entire drive, ALL partitions on the source drive are
copied over to the second drive, and in that case (unless I'm mistaken
here), you're right - the destination drive will have whatever was
previously stored on it, wiped out.



Bill:
Just to slightly amend your last paragraph which may be a bit misleading to
some...

Let's say the user has multi-partitioned his or her destination drive - say,
for example with five partitions. Using Casper 5 the user could clone the
contents of his or her source HDD (whether a single partition or more than
one partition) to *any* particular partition on the destination HDD he or
she desires. ONLY if *that* destination partition contained previous
contents would those contents be "wiped out". NONE of the other partitions
on the destination HDD would be affected in *any* way.

The same basic scenario would hold true should the user desire to clone only
a single partition on his multi-partitioned source HDD. The user could clone
that partition to *any* partition on the destination HDD on *only* that
destination partition would be affected by the clone, i.e., prior contents
would be deleted. Again, the other partitions on that multi-partitioned
destination would *not* be affected in any way.

I think you're aware of all this but I wanted to make it clear to others.
Anna


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Old January 20th 09, 11:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

WaIIy wrote:

Good thought, I double checked that. My C Drive is on connection 1,
internal on connection 2 and my external SATA was on connection 3
(They show up as Disks 0-1-2 in Windows).


Your "external SATA" can only be truly "external" if it's connected to
an external port.

It's not.

So it's not external.
  #41  
Old January 21st 09, 12:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:11:29 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Well then it appears I didn't understand it fully.


In this world nothing is certain but death, taxes and Bill's inability
to ever fully understand Casper.

Richie Hardwick
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Old January 21st 09, 12:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:47:47 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:40:33 -0600, Frank Holman
wrote:

WaIIy wrote:

Good thought, I double checked that. My C Drive is on connection 1,
internal on connection 2 and my external SATA was on connection 3
(They show up as Disks 0-1-2 in Windows).


Your "external SATA" can only be truly "external" if it's connected to
an external port.

It's not.

So it's not external.


I guess I'll just shove in into my case somewhere then.


(I can't pass this up)

If it won't fit, I can suggest an alternative place where you can
shove it ;-

Richie Hardwick
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Old January 21st 09, 12:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Richie Hardwick[_2_]
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:37:18 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:06:22 -0600, Richie Hardwick
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:47:47 -0500, WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:40:33 -0600, Frank Holman
wrote:

WaIIy wrote:

Good thought, I double checked that. My C Drive is on connection 1,
internal on connection 2 and my external SATA was on connection 3
(They show up as Disks 0-1-2 in Windows).

Your "external SATA" can only be truly "external" if it's connected to
an external port.

It's not.

So it's not external.

I guess I'll just shove in into my case somewhere then.


(I can't pass this up)

If it won't fit, I can suggest an alternative place where you can
shove it ;-

Richie Hardwick



Good one, I have to be more careful


Fo' sho'!
  #44  
Old January 21st 09, 01:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Anna
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?


"Frank Holman" wrote in message
...
WaIIy wrote:

Good thought, I double checked that. My C Drive is on connection 1,
internal on connection 2 and my external SATA was on connection 3
(They show up as Disks 0-1-2 in Windows).


Your "external SATA" can only be truly "external" if it's connected to
an external port.

It's not.

So it's not external.



Frank:
That is simply not so. As I explained in a previous post, the signal (data)
cable of the external SATA HDD can be connected *directly* to one of the
motherboard's SATA connectors. It doesn't have to be an "external" port. We
do this all the time.

Presumably the external SATA HDD will be powered by an auxiliary PSU. But
even here we can use the PC's power supply if necessary through an
appropriate adapter. This hardware configuration is very simple to install.

Naturally this SATA-to-SATA connectivity is facilitated should the
motherboard have an eSATA port, or the desktop's case contain a SATA or
eSATA port, or a SATA adapter can be affixed to the backplane of the desktop
PC case.

Naturally we're talking desktop PCs here. In the case of a laptop/notebook
an ExpressCard with eSATA capability can be used to make the SATA-to-SATA
connection.
Anna


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Old January 21st 09, 01:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Bill in Co.
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Default How to use Acronis to backup o/s ?

Richie Hardwick wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:11:29 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Well then it appears I didn't understand it fully.


In this world nothing is certain but death, taxes and Bill's inability
to ever fully understand Casper.

Richie Hardwick


Haven't used it. But I *have* used Partition Magic, Boot It NG, and
Acronis True Image, unlike some here, which gives me a different
perspective.


 




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