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Old January 13th 05, 01:30 AM
daswiftguyda daswiftguyda is offline
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I was wondering if anybody could answer this question as I don'twant to risk taking any action until i know for sure. Thanks in advance for any answers.

Ok, heres the question:

My girlfriend recently bought a new 80 Gig drive for her comp as she was running really low on disk space (on average less than 300MB). Fair enough I installed the new 80 Gig as the slave and formatted it as NFTS (original system drive FAT32 and 4GB), and planned to put anything new (movies music etc) onto the new 80 drive and keep all system files on orignal 4gig. The problem was though all windows updates still install to the original 4 Gig drive which is causing a lot of problems, so im planning to copy everything from the 4gig drive to the 80, and use that as the Windows/System drive, format the 4gig (in NFTS) and just have that as a periphial drive to stash stuff on. So, to my question(s) are, do i have to change the master/slave configuration if i want the (currently slave) drive to be the windows drive, and will there be any problems copying a FAT32 drive to a NFTS drive. Thanks agian for any help, any more info needed just ask.
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Old January 13th 05, 06:55 AM
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Default Slave Drive as System/Windows drive


"daswiftguyda" wrote in message
...

I was wondering if anybody could answer this question as I don'twant to
risk taking any action until i know for sure. Thanks in advance for any
answers.

Ok, heres the question:

My girlfriend recently bought a new 80 Gig drive for her comp as she
was running really low on disk space (on average less than 300MB). Fair
enough I installed the new 80 Gig as the slave and formatted it as NFTS
(original system drive FAT32 and 4GB), and planned to put anything new
(movies music etc) onto the new 80 drive and keep all system files on
orignal 4gig. The problem was though all windows updates still install
to the original 4 Gig drive which is causing a lot of problems, so im
planning to copy everything from the 4gig drive to the 80, and use that
as the Windows/System drive, format the 4gig (in NFTS) and just have
that as a periphial drive to stash stuff on. So, to my question(s) are,
do i have to change the master/slave configuration if i want the
(currently slave) drive to be the windows drive, and will there be any
problems copying a FAT32 drive to a NFTS drive. Thanks agian for any
help, any more info needed just ask.


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It is not possible to just "copy" an active installation to another
drive. It would never run. Here are a couple of options:

- Use the cloning program that some disk manufacturers make
available on their web site.
- Use a disk imaging program such as DriveImage (PowerQuest)
or TrueImage (Acronis).

I recommend that you split your hard disk into two partitions:
- 15 GBytes for WinXP and applications
- 65 GBytes for data files


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Old January 13th 05, 12:15 PM
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Default Slave Drive as System/Windows drive

If you want to make your life difficult, you can move your sytem over to the
80Gb drive. Of course you'll need cloning software and then after you've
cloned from C4 Gb to 80Gb you will need to reconfigure [re cable and re
jumper] the drives such that the 80Gb becomes the primary master and the 4Gb
becomes the secondary master or slave on either IDE interface.

AFter that you can try booting off the 80Gb drive, but will most likely need
to perform a repair installation due to the changes in hard drive.

Save a lot of time [if you prefer]. Configure the 80Gb drive as the
secondary master or slave on either IDE interface. Now boot up and Right
Click on the My Documents Folder: select Properties, then press the moove
button and point to your D Drive.

This should get you back a lot of space.

Additionally you can go through a similar process and move the SWAP file and
Internet History files [these will use up anything up to 1Gb].

Reboot the PC for these changes to take effect and then run Disk Cleanup to
remove all temp files and clear internet temp files etc. After that defrag
the C Drive.

This should give you lots of free space and an efficient system again.
Withjoput the expense of Disk Management Software.

"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:


"daswiftguyda" wrote in message
...

I was wondering if anybody could answer this question as I don'twant to
risk taking any action until i know for sure. Thanks in advance for any
answers.

Ok, heres the question:

My girlfriend recently bought a new 80 Gig drive for her comp as she
was running really low on disk space (on average less than 300MB). Fair
enough I installed the new 80 Gig as the slave and formatted it as NFTS
(original system drive FAT32 and 4GB), and planned to put anything new
(movies music etc) onto the new 80 drive and keep all system files on
orignal 4gig. The problem was though all windows updates still install
to the original 4 Gig drive which is causing a lot of problems, so im
planning to copy everything from the 4gig drive to the 80, and use that
as the Windows/System drive, format the 4gig (in NFTS) and just have
that as a periphial drive to stash stuff on. So, to my question(s) are,
do i have to change the master/slave configuration if i want the
(currently slave) drive to be the windows drive, and will there be any
problems copying a FAT32 drive to a NFTS drive. Thanks agian for any
help, any more info needed just ask.


--
daswiftguyda


It is not possible to just "copy" an active installation to another
drive. It would never run. Here are a couple of options:

- Use the cloning program that some disk manufacturers make
available on their web site.
- Use a disk imaging program such as DriveImage (PowerQuest)
or TrueImage (Acronis).

I recommend that you split your hard disk into two partitions:
- 15 GBytes for WinXP and applications
- 65 GBytes for data files



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Old January 17th 05, 10:17 PM
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Thanks for all the help, just a few questions though.

Quote:
then after you've
cloned from C4 Gb to 80Gb you will need to reconfigure [re cable and re
jumper] the drives such that the 80Gb becomes the primary master and the 4Gb becomes the secondary master or slave on either IDE interface.
So I DEFINATLY need to change the master/slave configuration?

Quote:
After that you can try booting off the 80Gb drive, but will most likely need to perform a repair installation due to the changes in hard drive.
How do I go about perfoming a repair installation?

Quote:
Additionally you can go through a similar process and move the SWAP file and
Internet History files [these will use up anything up to 1Gb].
What is and where can I locate the 'SWAP' file?

Thanks again.
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Old January 18th 05, 03:00 AM
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"daswiftguyda" kirjoitti viestissä
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Thanks for all the help, just a few questions though.

then after you've
cloned from C4 Gb to 80Gb you will need to reconfigure [re cable and
re
jumper] the drives such that the 80Gb becomes the primary master and
the 4Gb becomes the secondary master or slave on either IDE interface.


So I DEFINATLY need to change the master/slave configuration?


Yes and no. You need to physically disconnect the old drive for at least 2
boots from the new one, just so that WIndows doesn't try to boot from the
old one..



After that you can try booting off the 80Gb drive, but will most likely
need to perform a repair installation due to the changes in hard drive.


How do I go about perfoming a repair installation?


(Didn't read the whole chain..) If you just swapped HDs, no further action
(execpt above) is needed...



Additionally you can go through a similar process and move the SWAP file
and
Internet History files [these will use up anything up to 1Gb].


What is and where can I locate the 'SWAP' file?


That gets transfered too



Thanks again.


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Old January 18th 05, 09:18 AM
Timothy Daniels
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"daswiftguyda" wrote:

Thanks for all the help, just a few questions though.

then after you've
cloned from C4 Gb to 80Gb you will need to reconfigure
[re cable and re jumper] the drives such that the 80Gb
becomes the primary master and the 4Gb becomes
the secondary master or slave on either IDE interface.


So I DEFINATLY need to change the master/slave configuration?



No. Master/Slave settings are only to differentiate IDE drives
when there are two on the same cable (i.e. connected to the
same controller) and to set the default boot order. Normally,
the Master is ahead of the Slave in boot order, so the BIOS
checks to see if there is a Master Boot Record on that hard
drive. If there is one, the BIOS passes control to it. Otherwise,
it looks at the next hard drive in the boot order. But the boot
order can be readjusted via keyboard input to the BIOS by you,
and it will stay that way until you change it or the battery for the
ROM gives out (after several years).

But if you want to stay out of the BIOS, you can change the
Master/Slave settings in several ways. If you use Cable Select,
just exchange the positions of the HDs on the cable. If you
use explicit jumpers, just change the jumpers - no real need to
change their positions on the cable unless you want to. By
making the new HD "Master", you will put it at the head of the
BIOS's boot order automatically.

If you do the cloning operation properly, that's all you need
to do. Proper cloning involves telling the cloning utility to
copy the Master Boot Record from the old HD to the new HD,
telling it to make the new partition on the new HD a "primary"
partition, and to mark that partition "active". These will make
the new HD bootable and the new partition bootable, and the
OS in that partition loadable - no Repair Console required.

Then, when the old partition has been cloned on the new HD,
shut down the machine and unplug the old HD. Then startup
the machine. The old HD will not be visible to the BIOS, so
it will pass control to the new HD. The new HD will find its
copy of boot.ini taken from the old HD, and the OS on the new
HD it will be loaded thinking that it's the old OS. Since it won't
see its "parent" OS, it will configure itself properly and "come
of age" as an independent OS. Then you can shut down the
machine and rearrange the HDs to your heart's content. But
if you forget to disconnect the old HD before you boot the clone
OS for the first time, the clone OS will recognize its "parent" and
set pointers within itself that will thereafter make it dependent on
the continued presence of its "parent" OS in order to function.

With the cloning done, you can either adjust the boot.ini file to
enable multi-booting between the old and the new OSes
(assuming you have WinNT, Win2K, or WinXP), or you can use
the old HD as extra storage space.

*TimD*
 




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