New, Non-Cosmetic Features In Vista -- Ten Good Reasons To Upgrade

"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:39:13 -0500, Lang Murphy wrote:

1. UI now drawn by DirectX

No benefit

Smoking crack? This unloads the task of drawing the UI from the CPU. It
disconnects video related crashes from the OS kernel, allowing for better
recovery when crashes occur.

2. Better security (perfect? naw... better? mayhaps...)

On a properly configured network this is little change.

3. Better search

XP has the same, MS provides it.

4. Bitlocker

I didn't look for this and don't see it.

And I'm supposed to respond to this?

5. Better help system/content

LOL, help could not answer several questions I had, and it appears to be
the same help with a different interface.

Not true. Not even close.

6. WinPE 2.0 (based on Vista) allows hot plug n' play of USB devices
(among
other improvements over previous versions of PE)

Strange, my USB devices work the same as in XP as far as I can tell.

Guess you don't know what WinPE is...

7. Windows Easy Transfer

Didn't work on two machines I tested, failed to copy files unless they
were in specific locations.

fair enough...

8. Windows Sync and Sharing

Ok, I can see this as good, but sharing is still limited to 10 concurrent
connections.

As it always has been for workstation based Windows OS's

9. Full System Backup (lame compared to third party apps... yet, still, a
new, and some might say, valuable addition)

Have you tried a restore using a clean drive?

Not sure what you're asking... I've done a restore from the Vista DVD, so I
assume that's a "clean drive."

10. Parental controls

Can be good, but, we could lock XP down also.

11. New media tools like DVD maker, etc.

But the third party tools offer so much more.

Well... that's going to be the fact in many cases... thought the question
was in comparison to XP out of the box...


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Leythos
(remove 999 for proper email address)

Well... #6 is WinPE 2.0... only available after Vista released because it's
based on Vista, not XP. This was kind of an esoteric listing, which is why I
listed 11. WinPE (Windows Pre-installation Environment) is the scaled down
version of a Windows OS on CD. Prior versions of WinPE absolutely did not
allow for hot plug and play of USB devices... the devices had to be attached
to the system prior to boot.

AFAIK, in regards to #9... no full system backup, i.e., disk imaging
capability, in any version of XP to this day.

Lang

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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Hey!

We may finally be getting somewhere.

Thank you kindly!

However, some of these seem to be incorporated in XP Pro SP2.

For example #6 and #9.

DSH

"Lang Murphy" wrote in message
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1. UI now drawn by DirectX
2. Better security (perfect? naw... better? mayhaps...)
3. Better search
4. Bitlocker
5. Better help system/content
6. WinPE 2.0 (based on Vista) allows hot plug n' play of USB devices
(among other improvements over previous versions of PE)
7. Windows Easy Transfer
8. Windows Sync and Sharing
9. Full System Backup (lame compared to third party apps... yet, still, a
new, and some might say, valuable addition)
10. Parental controls
11. New media tools like DVD maker, etc.

Lang

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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No, Totally Mistaken -- as I've pointed out in previous posts.

No one has been able to come up with a bullet list of TEN good reasons
to move from XP Pro SP2 to Vista NOW.

The best one I've seen so far is the little box that springs up when you
move over a file to make sure you have the right one -- but I'm not even
sure about that one -- because with SP2 I THINK I already HAVE that
capability.

Microsoft needs to come up with that TEN POINT LIST -- if no one else
will.

Vide infra.

DSH

"BSchnur" wrote in message
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The problem you pose is in part, while worded as if this is a simple
straightforward request, it really isn't. Face it, you control the
rules -- someone tries to respond to what on its face is a simple
request, but then you have the option (which you readily exercise) of
rejecting the response.

No, the responses have mostly been quite trivial. Some, honest ones,
have simply been admissions that they can't do it -- even FIVE.

Ten good reasons -- someone replies with what *for them* represents a
good set of reasons and you (for your own reasons which for you might
well be quite reasonable) reject them as not being 'good' reasons.

Have you seen a list of TEN -- in bullet form? I certainly haven't.

The nature of your responses to those who have tried to reply suggests
that quite frankly, you are not *really* interested in switching to
Vista from your existing XP SP2 environment. No problem with that, (by
and large that's my own inclination at this point in time), but at a
certain point, your approach just might put folks off.

Too Bad. I'm open to EVIDENCE. SHOW ME SOME.

No, I'm not from Missouri -- but SHOW ME.

DSH

--
Barry Schnur

In article , D. Spencer Hines
says...
No, Totally Mistaken -- as I've pointed out in previous posts.

No one has been able to come up with a bullet list of TEN good reasons to
move from XP Pro SP2 to Vista NOW.

The best one I've seen so far is the little box that springs up when you
move over a file to make sure you have the right one -- but I'm not even
sure about that one -- because with SP2 I THINK I already HAVE that
capability.

Microsoft needs to come up with that TEN POINT LIST -- if no one else will.

It's already been done many times.

I've even posted links to articles.



--
Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

"Lang Murphy" wrote in message
news:1E0A94B2-A7AA-48F8-9853-
1. UI now drawn by DirectX

No benefit

Smoking crack? This unloads the task of drawing the UI from the CPU. It
disconnects video related crashes from the OS kernel, allowing for better
recovery when crashes occur.

It also completely takes care of all screen tearing issues. No benefit my
rear!


5. Better help system/content

LOL, help could not answer several questions I had, and it appears to be
the same help with a different interface.

Not true. Not even close.

Well, maybe! After all Vista is just XP with a new theme.....or something
like that, according to all the linux freaks.


6. WinPE 2.0 (based on Vista) allows hot plug n' play of USB devices
(among
other improvements over previous versions of PE)

Strange, my USB devices work the same as in XP as far as I can tell.

Guess you don't know what WinPE is...

Of course not


But the third party tools offer so much more.

Well... that's going to be the fact in many cases... thought the question
was in comparison to XP out of the box...

You can't expect these people to stay within the "scope" of a conversation.
They rely on pulling info from anywhere in order to make a point.

Some people still believe that XP has the same exact instant search feature
as Vista.

No Sale.

All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and
mirrors.

New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY
absent in XP Pro SP2.

That's what we need to see.

DSH

"Conor" wrote in message
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In article , D. Spencer Hines
says...

No, Totally Mistaken -- as I've pointed out in previous posts.

No one has been able to come up with a bullet list of TEN good reasons to
move from XP Pro SP2 to Vista NOW.

The best one I've seen so far is the little box that springs up when you
move over a file to make sure you have the right one -- but I'm not even
sure about that one -- because with SP2 I THINK I already HAVE that
capability.

Microsoft needs to come up with that TEN POINT LIST -- if no one else
will.

It's already been done many times.

I've even posted links to articles.

Eh, that's your opinion. Nothing more.

We have many posts documenting the differences and a lot of them are major.

Other people can see that. If you can't then.....who cares?

For me, instant search and no screen tearing are MAJOR!

SALE!!!!!!!!



"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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No Sale.

All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and
mirrors.

New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY
absent in XP Pro SP2.

That's what we need to see.

DSH

"Conor" wrote in message
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In article , D. Spencer Hines
says...

No, Totally Mistaken -- as I've pointed out in previous posts.

No one has been able to come up with a bullet list of TEN good reasons
to
move from XP Pro SP2 to Vista NOW.

The best one I've seen so far is the little box that springs up when you
move over a file to make sure you have the right one -- but I'm not even
sure about that one -- because with SP2 I THINK I already HAVE that
capability.

Microsoft needs to come up with that TEN POINT LIST -- if no one else
will.

It's already been done many times.

I've even posted links to articles.

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:17:15 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
wrote:

No Sale.

All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and
mirrors.

New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY
absent in XP Pro SP2.

That's what we need to see.

Instead of endlessly yapping about what you don't like, over 30 posts
and counting, why not list what YOU think is missing or is that too
much a challenge for you?

Stan Brown wrote:

Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:43:21 -0800 from Justin :
For home, with Vista starting @ $99, it'll cost WAY LESS then a
months worth of gas.

Are you serious? I commute every day to work, and make the usual
number of other trips, and gas costs me about $40 a month.

What do you drive, a Hummer?


If you're talking about averages, I think you're both wrong. Gas in the USA
runs around $2.50 a gallon. Assuming that the average car (not a Hummer)
gets around 25 miles to the gallon., it takes $.10 worth of gas to drive a
mile. The average driver drives around 12,000 miles a year. That's $1,200,
or $100 a month.

I'm using round numbers to make the arithmetic easy, not precise ones, but
they are pretty close.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

Twaddle!

1. My screen doesn't tear as it is, with XP.

2. I have yet to see why Vista's "Instant Search" is such a Great
Improvement over XP.

DSH
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"Justin" wrote in message
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Eh, that's your opinion. Nothing more.

We have many posts documenting the differences and a lot of them are
major.

Other people can see that. If you can't then.....who cares?

For me, instant search and no screen tearing are MAJOR!

SALE!!!!!!!!

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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No Sale.

All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and
mirrors.

New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY
absent in XP Pro SP2.

That's what we need to see.

DSH

Codswallop!

I have no obligation to Prove A Negative.

The knee-jerk advocates for the View that Vista is a Far Superior Product to
XP Pro SP2 have the BURDEN OF PROOF to tell us WHY and HOW it is -- with
SUBSTANTIVE -- Non-Cosmetic Improvements.

DSH

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:17:15 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
wrote:

No Sale.

All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and
mirrors.

New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY
absent in XP Pro SP2.

That's what we need to see.

Instead of endlessly yapping about what you don't like, over 30 posts
and counting, why not list what YOU think is missing or is that too
much a challenge for you?

What you consider cosmetic and what others consider substantive can be two
different things. If you don't use the features they upgraded or added and
others do, who is going to consider this a substantive upgrade.

Jeff


"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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Codswallop!

I have no obligation to Prove A Negative.

The knee-jerk advocates for the View that Vista is a Far Superior Product
to XP Pro SP2 have the BURDEN OF PROOF to tell us WHY and HOW it is --
with SUBSTANTIVE -- Non-Cosmetic Improvements.

DSH

"Adam Albright" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:17:15 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
wrote:

No Sale.

All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and
mirrors.

New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY
absent in XP Pro SP2.

That's what we need to see.

Instead of endlessly yapping about what you don't like, over 30 posts
and counting, why not list what YOU think is missing or is that too
much a challenge for you?

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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If you're talking about averages, I think you're both wrong. Gas in the
USA runs around $2.50 a gallon.

How do you figure? $2.50 isn't far from $2.41 anyway. At least I provided
backup with a link.

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com:80/

Today it's up to $2.433. I used regular to prove without any doubt that the
average commuter can not spend $40 a month on gas.

Assuming that the average car (not a Hummer) gets around 25 miles to the
gallon.

You say 25, I said 28. At least I was giving a little onto his side. Just
to prove without any doubt that the average commuter can not spend $40 a
month on gas.

, it takes $.10 worth of gas to drive a mile. The average driver drives
around 12,000 miles a year. That's $1,200, or $100 a month.

That's fine, but you fail to address his quote of $40 a month and apply it
to the fact that he claims to be a commuter.

Either way, with the direct upgrade from XP Home being $99, you further
prove my point. If you can afford more "Vista" in your Vista then great!

I posted this question on a forum. So far, only one response:

Statement - It's easy for a COMMUTER to spends $40 a month on gas. Please
respond.

First Reply -
really?
are they commuting to their fridge?

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:22:28 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
wrote:

Codswallop!

I have no obligation to Prove A Negative.

I was asking for you to list features you say are missing from Vista.

Can't do it?

Apparently not. So in my view you when from a amusing poster, to an
annoying one and now to just a garden variety troll.

Still sort of amusing though. wink

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
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Twaddle!

1. My screen doesn't tear as it is, with XP.

While I don't believe you. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's a
major problem with XP.

2. I have yet to see why Vista's "Instant Search" is such a Great
Improvement over XP.

Um...your bad.

Justin wrote:

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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If you're talking about averages, I think you're both wrong. Gas in
the USA runs around $2.50 a gallon.

How do you figure?


As I said, I used round numbers to make the arithmetic easy, not precise
ones. My use of round numbers doesn't significantly change the conclusion


$2.50 isn't far from $2.41 anyway.


Precision isn't necessary here, and anyway depends on where in the US you
are.


At least I
provided backup with a link.

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com:80/

Today it's up to $2.433. I used regular to prove without any doubt
that the average commuter can not spend $40 a month on gas.

Assuming that the average car (not a Hummer) gets around 25 miles to
the gallon.

You say 25, I said 28. At least I was giving a little onto his side.
Just to prove without any doubt that the average commuter can not
spend $40 a month on gas.


Did you read my message? I agree with that. I said a typical number is
around $100 a month.



, it takes $.10 worth of gas to drive a mile. The average driver
drives around 12,000 miles a year. That's $1,200, or $100 a month.

That's fine, but you fail to address his quote of $40 a month and
apply it to the fact that he claims to be a commuter.


Of course I addressed it. I said "I think you're both wrong." In his case,
his $40 a month may be right for him, but it's far lower than the typical
$100 a month I calculated.

Your statement "For home, with Vista starting @ $99, it'll cost WAY LESS
then a months worth of gas" is a similar exaggeration in the opposite
direction. At $99, Vista is not "WAY LESS then a months worth of gas." It's
almost exactly a typical month's-worth of gas for most people.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup



Either way, with the direct upgrade from XP Home being $99, you
further prove my point. If you can afford more "Vista" in your Vista
then great!
I posted this question on a forum. So far, only one response:

Statement - It's easy for a COMMUTER to spends $40 a month on gas. Please
respond.

First Reply -
really?
are they commuting to their fridge?