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New, Non-Cosmetic Features In Vista -- Ten Good Reasons To Upgrade
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
depends on where in the US you are. Not at all. An average is an average of everyone. Of course I addressed it. I still don't see where you addressed $40 is anywhere near "normal" for a commuter. I have no doubt his $40 is correct. The "doubt" was him being a commuter. My entire post was to disprove his commuter status. I don't see where you disprove that at all. I'm assuming though, that you read the rest of the thread??? Your statement "For home, with Vista starting @ $99, it'll cost WAY LESS then a months worth of gas" is a similar exaggeration in the opposite direction. At $99, Vista is not "WAY LESS then a months worth of gas." It's almost exactly a typical month's-worth of gas for most people. Hey now! A dollar is a lot of money! I can have a lot of fun waving that dollar around! You're 12,000 mile average does not conform to "commuters". However, that address two different posts. Personally, I spend $380-$420 a month on gas. 22MPG |
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New, Non-Cosmetic Features In Vista -- Ten Good Reasons To Upgrade
People have provided you with a host of examples which you are writing off
as "fluff, smoke & mirrors". Go back & re-read the thread. Here's one for you: Full disk image backup, not available in any version of XP out of the box. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... No Sale. All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and mirrors. New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2. That's what we need to see. DSH |
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New, Non-Cosmetic Features In Vista -- Ten Good Reasons To Upgrade
I have an allegedly much better product already...
True Image Home 10, build 4940. Why should I junk that fine piece of software and move to Vista in order to use what is ostensibly an inferior Full Disk Image Backup program? DSH -------------------------------------------- "Richard" wrote in message ... People have provided you with a host of examples which you are writing off as "fluff, smoke & mirrors". Go back & re-read the thread. Here's one for you: Full disk image backup, not available in any version of XP out of the box. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... No Sale. All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and mirrors. New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2. That's what we need to see. DSH |
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New, Non-Cosmetic Features In Vista -- Ten Good Reasons To Upgrade
See Richard, no sense at all. He picks ONE of the 20+ things he's been
given to make his conclusion. There's no point. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I have an allegedly much better product already... True Image Home 10, build 4940. Why should I junk that fine piece of software and move to Vista in order to use what is ostensibly an inferior Full Disk Image Backup program? DSH -------------------------------------------- "Richard" wrote in message ... People have provided you with a host of examples which you are writing off as "fluff, smoke & mirrors". Go back & re-read the thread. Here's one for you: Full disk image backup, not available in any version of XP out of the box. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... No Sale. All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and mirrors. New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2. That's what we need to see. DSH |
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New, Non-Cosmetic Features In Vista -- Ten Good Reasons To Upgrade
"Roger that" on all points.
Lang "Justin" wrote in message ... "Lang Murphy" wrote in message news:1E0A94B2-A7AA-48F8-9853- 1. UI now drawn by DirectX No benefit Smoking crack? This unloads the task of drawing the UI from the CPU. It disconnects video related crashes from the OS kernel, allowing for better recovery when crashes occur. It also completely takes care of all screen tearing issues. No benefit my rear! 5. Better help system/content LOL, help could not answer several questions I had, and it appears to be the same help with a different interface. Not true. Not even close. Well, maybe! After all Vista is just XP with a new theme.....or something like that, according to all the linux freaks. 6. WinPE 2.0 (based on Vista) allows hot plug n' play of USB devices (among other improvements over previous versions of PE) Strange, my USB devices work the same as in XP as far as I can tell. Guess you don't know what WinPE is... Of course not But the third party tools offer so much more. Well... that's going to be the fact in many cases... thought the question was in comparison to XP out of the box... You can't expect these people to stay within the "scope" of a conversation. They rely on pulling info from anywhere in order to make a point. Some people still believe that XP has the same exact instant search feature as Vista. |
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New, Non-Cosmetic Features In Vista -- Ten Good Reasons To Upgrade
You didn't get True Image with XP it's 3rd party software, and no one said
you had to junk it! Point is that Vista Business & Ultimate have an image application installed out of the box & XP doesn't. That's one improvement over XP. You asked for instances of "NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2 & this is one of them. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I have an allegedly much better product already... True Image Home 10, build 4940. Why should I junk that fine piece of software and move to Vista in order to use what is ostensibly an inferior Full Disk Image Backup program? DSH -------------------------------------------- "Richard" wrote in message ... People have provided you with a host of examples which you are writing off as "fluff, smoke & mirrors". Go back & re-read the thread. Here's one for you: Full disk image backup, not available in any version of XP out of the box. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... No Sale. All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and mirrors. New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2. That's what we need to see. DSH |
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Yeah, I've drawn the conclusion this guy is just a troll.
"Justin" wrote in message ... See Richard, no sense at all. He picks ONE of the 20+ things he's been given to make his conclusion. There's no point. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I have an allegedly much better product already... True Image Home 10, build 4940. Why should I junk that fine piece of software and move to Vista in order to use what is ostensibly an inferior Full Disk Image Backup program? DSH -------------------------------------------- "Richard" wrote in message ... People have provided you with a host of examples which you are writing off as "fluff, smoke & mirrors". Go back & re-read the thread. Here's one for you: Full disk image backup, not available in any version of XP out of the box. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... No Sale. All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and mirrors. New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2. That's what we need to see. DSH |
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Horse Manure!
------------------------------------------------- Simple Logic 101: 1. If we already HAVE True Image Home 10.0, which is allegedly a FAR superior program to the one in Vista, the added functionality in XP creates NO NEW VALUE Added for the customer. 2. DO learn some Basic Free Market Economic Analysis. 3. If Microsoft is going to continue coming up with new CRIPPLEWARE to insert into its Operating Systems it will NOT be creating NEW VALUE ADDED for its customer base. 4. Microsoft has to do BETTER than the Third-Party manufacturers and COMPETE with them -- OR leave those capabilities OUT of the OS, concomitantly LOWER the price to the consumer and work out DEALS and cooperative arrangements with those superior Third-Party manufacturers that will give customers Good Value Added -- and TELL customers about them -- in concert with the Third Parties. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas "Richard" wrote in message ... You didn't get True Image with XP it's 3rd party software, and no one said you had to junk it! Point is that Vista Business & Ultimate have an image application installed out of the box & XP doesn't. That's one improvement over XP. You asked for instances of "NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2 & this is one of them. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I have an allegedly much better product already... True Image Home 10, build 4940. Why should I junk that fine piece of software and move to Vista in order to use what is ostensibly an inferior Full Disk Image Backup program? DSH -------------------------------------------- "Richard" wrote in message ... People have provided you with a host of examples which you are writing off as "fluff, smoke & mirrors". Go back & re-read the thread. Here's one for you: Full disk image backup, not available in any version of XP out of the box. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... No Sale. All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and mirrors. New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2. That's what we need to see. DSH |
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That wasn't the question you asked & you know it.
So you expect people to compare Vista against XP with the best 3rd party software? Stupid. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Horse Manure! ------------------------------------------------- Simple Logic 101: 1. If we already HAVE True Image Home 10.0, which is allegedly a FAR superior program to the one in Vista, the added functionality in XP creates NO NEW VALUE Added for the customer. 2. DO learn some Basic Free Market Economic Analysis. 3. If Microsoft is going to continue coming up with new CRIPPLEWARE to insert into its Operating Systems it will NOT be creating NEW VALUE ADDED for its customer base. 4. Microsoft has to do BETTER than the Third-Party manufacturers and COMPETE with them -- OR leave those capabilities OUT of the OS, concomitantly LOWER the price to the consumer and work out DEALS and cooperative arrangements with those superior Third-Party manufacturers that will give customers Good Value Added -- and TELL customers about them -- in concert with the Third Parties. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas "Richard" wrote in message ... You didn't get True Image with XP it's 3rd party software, and no one said you had to junk it! Point is that Vista Business & Ultimate have an image application installed out of the box & XP doesn't. That's one improvement over XP. You asked for instances of "NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2 & this is one of them. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... I have an allegedly much better product already... True Image Home 10, build 4940. Why should I junk that fine piece of software and move to Vista in order to use what is ostensibly an inferior Full Disk Image Backup program? DSH -------------------------------------------- "Richard" wrote in message ... People have provided you with a host of examples which you are writing off as "fluff, smoke & mirrors". Go back & re-read the thread. Here's one for you: Full disk image backup, not available in any version of XP out of the box. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... No Sale. All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and mirrors. New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2. That's what we need to see. DSH |
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New, Non-Cosmetic Features In Vista -- Ten Good Reasons To Upgrade
This fellow is REALLY Ignorant.
Probably one of the scruffy little PFK's I was previously referring to. He understands Zip Point Zero about Smart Marketing, Value Added & Free Market Economics. He's also too cowardly to use his complete name. He wouldn't want his employer and/or college of choice to do a Google Search on him. DSH -------------------------------------------- "Richard" wrote in message ... That wasn't the question you asked & you know it. So you expect people to compare Vista against XP with the best 3rd party software? Stupid. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Horse Manure! ------------------------------------------------- Simple Logic 101: 1. If we already HAVE True Image Home 10.0, which is allegedly a FAR superior program to the one in Vista, the added functionality in XP creates NO NEW VALUE Added for the customer. 2. DO learn some Basic Free Market Economic Analysis. 3. If Microsoft is going to continue coming up with new CRIPPLEWARE to insert into its Operating Systems it will NOT be creating NEW VALUE ADDED for its customer base. 4. Microsoft has to do BETTER than the Third-Party manufacturers and COMPETE with them -- OR leave those capabilities OUT of the OS, concomitantly LOWER the price to the consumer and work out DEALS and cooperative arrangements with those superior Third-Party manufacturers that will give customers Good Value Added -- and TELL customers about them -- in concert with the Third Parties. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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But at least I'm not mentally ill as you clearly are.
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... This fellow is REALLY Ignorant. Probably one of the scruffy little PFK's I was previously referring to. He understands Zip Point Zero about Smart Marketing, Value Added & Free Market Economics. He's also too cowardly to use his complete name. He wouldn't want his employer and/or college of choice to do a Google Search on him. DSH -------------------------------------------- "Richard" wrote in message ... That wasn't the question you asked & you know it. So you expect people to compare Vista against XP with the best 3rd party software? Stupid. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Horse Manure! ------------------------------------------------- Simple Logic 101: 1. If we already HAVE True Image Home 10.0, which is allegedly a FAR superior program to the one in Vista, the added functionality in XP creates NO NEW VALUE Added for the customer. 2. DO learn some Basic Free Market Economic Analysis. 3. If Microsoft is going to continue coming up with new CRIPPLEWARE to insert into its Operating Systems it will NOT be creating NEW VALUE ADDED for its customer base. 4. Microsoft has to do BETTER than the Third-Party manufacturers and COMPETE with them -- OR leave those capabilities OUT of the OS, concomitantly LOWER the price to the consumer and work out DEALS and cooperative arrangements with those superior Third-Party manufacturers that will give customers Good Value Added -- and TELL customers about them -- in concert with the Third Parties. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas |
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Well... I beg to differ. The list I posted is not a list of cosmetic
changes. You insult my efforts by dismissing them out of hand. It makes one think that you are possibly just casting aspersions on Vista because you have no intention of acknowledging any pro-Vista responses to your posts. Lang "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... No Sale. All we have seen are lists of toy improvements, plus fluff, smoke and mirrors. New, Non-Cosmetic, SUBSTANTIVE Improvements that add NEW FUNCTIONALITY absent in XP Pro SP2. That's what we need to see. DSH "Conor" wrote in message .. . In article , D. Spencer Hines says... No, Totally Mistaken -- as I've pointed out in previous posts. No one has been able to come up with a bullet list of TEN good reasons to move from XP Pro SP2 to Vista NOW. The best one I've seen so far is the little box that springs up when you move over a file to make sure you have the right one -- but I'm not even sure about that one -- because with SP2 I THINK I already HAVE that capability. Microsoft needs to come up with that TEN POINT LIST -- if no one else will. It's already been done many times. I've even posted links to articles. |
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You responded to my top-10 list, so I shall respond to yours!
1. UI now drawn by DirectX Why is this a good thing? It's far more complicated and it's not clear to me that non-3D applications require or desire directX. 2. Better security (perfect? naw... better? mayhaps...) Definitely "more security", but not necessarily better security. 3. Better search Okay, fair enough. It has a desktop search, and this is useful. Doesn't google give this away for free? 4. Bitlocker Only included in Ultimate Edition, which was a poor decision. Business edition should have included BitLocker because it's a business feature. I understand (from wiki) that it features a "recovery key" ???? Sounds bad. I've been able to set up encrypted file systems in Linux for years, plus I get to choose the encryption algorithm and the file system to use (and I don't have to buy Linux "Ultimate Edition" either) 5. Better help system/content They killed WinHelp (.hlp) files, making help files in legacy apps unavailable. A step backward due to the rush to get the OS out on time. 6. WinPE 2.0 (based on Vista) allows hot plug n' play of USB devices (among other improvements over previous versions of PE) Not clear the average user has any need for this, and again they're playing catch-up with Linux. 7. Windows Easy Transfer If it works right... otherwise its not so easy. 8. Windows Sync and Sharing So they included ActiveSync with the OS and generalized it a bit. Again, I'm not so sure how much need the average user has for this. I do agree that it's better than every device including its own sync program, but I bet many still will in order to get custom features. 9. Full System Backup (lame compared to third party apps... yet, still, a new, and some might say, valuable addition) It looks like another feature that didn't get quite finished. Why not get it right and make it competitive with other backup software? 10. Parental controls Admittedly, this is a good idea, although I don't believe in the effectiveness of web filters -- the kids will in time find a way to get around them. 11. New media tools like DVD maker, etc. Does that make up for Windows Upgrade Advisor telling me that my Nero 7 is no longer compatible and needed to be uninstalled before upgrading to Vista? Breaking my Nero so they can "bundle" their own burning software sounds like another antitrust violation. You missed one -- shadow copies, a feature that I think some users will benefit from (assuming its not implemented in a totally bonehead manner that excessively wastes disk space) ----------------------------------------------------------- Posted using Android Newsgroup Downloader: .... http://www.sb-software.com/android ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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wrote in message ... You responded to my top-10 list, so I shall respond to yours! 1. UI now drawn by DirectX Why is this a good thing? It's far more complicated and it's not clear to me that non-3D applications require or desire directX. In XP the desktop was rendered using your cpu where in Vista it's rendered with your GPU thus relieving your CPU for other tasks. The new driver model (when using Aero) also removes negative effects such as tearing. 3. Better search Okay, fair enough. It has a desktop search, and this is useful. Doesn't google give this away for free? The search feature built into vista hasn't realized it's full potential yet. Once they release the new version of windows server, vista will be able to search for a document anywhere on the network. (from what i understand anyways, will be cool to see it in action) Does this help the everyday home user? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on if you store a lot of documents on your computer and how much you use it for business. If you just play games, surf the web and use email it probably is not that big of a deal. If you use it for business though... 4. Bitlocker Only included in Ultimate Edition, which was a poor decision. Business edition should have included BitLocker because it's a business feature. I understand (from wiki) that it features a "recovery key" ???? Sounds bad. I've been able to set up encrypted file systems in Linux for years, plus I get to choose the encryption algorithm and the file system to use (and I don't have to buy Linux "Ultimate Edition" either) I agree, it should have been included in business, not just enterprise and ultimate editions. Windows has had EFS for a while now, however, this is the first "total drive" encryption. The recovery key is in case you are not using a laptop with a TPM 1.2 module built in. This allows you to save a recovery key to decrypt the drive on either a spare USB key, on paper or into active directory if you are a member of a domain. Using the key immediately decrypts the HD and then you must re-enable bitlocker. Kind of like on most websites if you lose your password they make you reset it... 5. Better help system/content They killed WinHelp (.hlp) files, making help files in legacy apps unavailable. A step backward due to the rush to get the OS out on time. 6. WinPE 2.0 (based on Vista) allows hot plug n' play of USB devices (among other improvements over previous versions of PE) Not clear the average user has any need for this, and again they're playing catch-up with Linux. WinPE is the "install" version of windows. Its only running during install. This allows you to use USB keys to store drivers on when installing windows. In XP you had to use a floppy drive. (Nice feature because I don't even have a floppy drive anymore and don't want to bother with one just for installing vista) Is this a feature users at home would use? Maybe not right away, but down the road if they have to have drivers loaded during install they would. 7. Windows Easy Transfer If it works right... otherwise its not so easy. 8. Windows Sync and Sharing So they included ActiveSync with the OS and generalized it a bit. Again, I'm not so sure how much need the average user has for this. I do agree that it's better than every device including its own sync program, but I bet many still will in order to get custom features. More and more people will use this as they buy cell phones with the need to sync with their computer. (music, you name it, etc...) 9. Full System Backup (lame compared to third party apps... yet, still, a new, and some might say, valuable addition) It looks like another feature that didn't get quite finished. Why not get it right and make it competitive with other backup software? I haven't played with it as I like Acronis for backup. At least they updated it to an image type backup system. 10. Parental controls Admittedly, this is a good idea, although I don't believe in the effectiveness of web filters -- the kids will in time find a way to get around them. True, just like copy protection, people will eventually find a way around it. I wonder if you can bypass it by going to one of those anonymous web browsing portals? 11. New media tools like DVD maker, etc. Does that make up for Windows Upgrade Advisor telling me that my Nero 7 is no longer compatible and needed to be uninstalled before upgrading to Vista? Breaking my Nero so they can "bundle" their own burning software sounds like another antitrust violation. Nero now has a version that works with vista. The older nero liked to have a lot of control over the system which with some programs could lead to system instability. The new interface will help eliminate that. You missed one -- shadow copies, a feature that I think some users will benefit from (assuming its not implemented in a totally bonehead manner that excessively wastes disk space) ----------------------------------------------------------- Posted using Android Newsgroup Downloader: .... http://www.sb-software.com/android ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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In XP the desktop was rendered using your cpu where in Vista it's rendered
with your GPU thus relieving your CPU for other tasks. The new driver model (when using Aero) also removes negative effects such as tearing. It's another self-fulfilling prophecy: the only reason why we need the GPU to render the desktop is because we've decided to make the desktop use 3D features, otherwise the CPU is sufficient. I can't think of a time when I had an issue where my CPU was bogged down rendering the desktop, at least not since Windows 3.1 using a non-accelerated standard VGA card. Furthermore, just because we're using the GDI doesn't mean the GPU is doing no work, does it? It's been a long time since I've done driver work on a display adapter, but I seem to recall in the early 1990s we already had video adapter support for hardware acceleration (hardware blit, hardware line draw, etc). Does XP abandon this and draw everything manually? The search feature built into vista hasn't realized it's full potential yet. Once they release the new version of windows server, vista will be able to search for a document anywhere on the network. (from what i understand Oh great, so now it won't be content to index my documents without my permission, but will now start sneaking out and molesting my network without asking my permission? I hope not. I agree, it should have been included in business, not just enterprise and ultimate editions. Windows has had EFS for a while now, however, this is the first "total drive" encryption. The recovery key is in case you are not using a laptop with a TPM 1.2 module built in. This allows you to save a So you are the only one who has the recovery key? This sounds reasonable. I was afraid it was one of those "we'll keep your recovery key safely at Microsoft HQ" situations. As long as you are the only one who can decrypt your documents (no hidden backdoors, no help for users who lost their keys), then I'm fine with it. This allows you to use USB keys to store drivers on when installing windows. Okay, I can see the value in this as I hate having to drag out a floppy drive. It's still not an earth-shattering new feature though, more like a minor tweak. Plus, when I buy a new motherboard or video card or whatnot, it's not going to come with a driver on USB, it'll come with one on CD or floppy. True, just like copy protection, people will eventually find a way around it. I wonder if you can bypass it by going to one of those anonymous web browsing portals? One would hope the anonymous browsing portals are listed (or can be listed) as banned sites. If I had kids, I would be concerned about them simply sticking a bootable OS (Linux, etc) in the CD/DVD drive and surfing unmonitored. It's exactly what I would have done had my PC been locked down when I was a kid. I think if you really want to lock down the PC, then you'll have to do it at the router level (perhaps use one of the numerous encryption standards for wireless, and then not give the key to the kids, so they can't get network connectivity from a CD-bootable OS) Nero now has a version that works with vista. The older nero liked to have a lot of control over the system which with some programs could lead to system instability. The new interface will help eliminate that. I'll have to give it a shot. ----------------------------------------------------------- Posted using Android Newsgroup Downloader: .... http://www.sb-software.com/android ----------------------------------------------------------- |
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