All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

On 8/6/15 10:15 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-08-06 12:03, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:

General note for youngsters: a one- button mouse is better than the
others for people with arthritis.

i wish we could use a 1-button mouse in windoze!

Most people do use a one-button mouse in Windows because they have no
idea what that other button is for and if they accidentally press it,
they get very confused.

Bull****.

it's not bull****.

geeks don't realize how confused a typical user can get.

True, a new-born newbie won't know what the 2nd button is for. It was
one the first things I taught my wife: right button to get a menu, left
button to make something happen, scroll wheel to make things move.

There are other uses depending on the program, and they are no more
intuitive ("easy to use") than any other functions. They even confuse
geeks, except that geeks are more likely to try and figure it out on
their own.

Gotta agree with Lewis and nospam here, Wolf. Not with Lewis's
assertion of "most people", though. I have run across folks who've
never used the right button, so it happens.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Let's say you've never done photo editing with something like Photoshop.
Most folks would have a hard time with Gimp. I've fiddled with that
kind of software over the years, no professional reason to really learn
any of them, and I find Gimp hard to deal with.

gimp has a horrible interface. photoshop is well designed but it
targets graphic artists, photographers, etc., not newbies. photoshop
elements is designed for consumer users but is still not a newbie app.

apps that are designed for newbies are designed to be simple. making a
photo look better is generally a click or two and as they get more
comfortable with what's going, they can tweak it a bit more.

On 8/6/15 6:36 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Let's say you've never done photo editing with something like Photoshop.
Most folks would have a hard time with Gimp. I've fiddled with that
kind of software over the years, no professional reason to really learn
any of them, and I find Gimp hard to deal with.

gimp has a horrible interface. photoshop is well designed but it
targets graphic artists, photographers, etc., not newbies. photoshop
elements is designed for consumer users but is still not a newbie app.

It's just my suspicion, but I suspect many of the apps at the Apple App
Store may fit that definition. So far, have not heard good things about
Microsoft Store.

apps that are designed for newbies are designed to be simple. making a
photo look better is generally a click or two and as they get more
comfortable with what's going, they can tweak it a bit more.



--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Let's say you've never done photo editing with something like Photoshop.
Most folks would have a hard time with Gimp. I've fiddled with that
kind of software over the years, no professional reason to really learn
any of them, and I find Gimp hard to deal with.

gimp has a horrible interface. photoshop is well designed but it
targets graphic artists, photographers, etc., not newbies. photoshop
elements is designed for consumer users but is still not a newbie app.

It's just my suspicion, but I suspect many of the apps at the Apple App
Store may fit that definition. So far, have not heard good things about
Microsoft Store.

whether it's in the apple or microsoft store makes no difference.

some apps are for newbies and some are not.

pixelmator, which is in the app store, is not a newbie photo app.

apple's own photos, which is also in the app store, is a newbie app,
with a lot of capabilities under the hood.

nospam wrote:

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Let's say you've never done photo editing with something like Photoshop.
Most folks would have a hard time with Gimp. I've fiddled with that
kind of software over the years, no professional reason to really learn
any of them, and I find Gimp hard to deal with.

gimp has a horrible interface. photoshop is well designed but it
targets graphic artists, photographers, etc., not newbies. photoshop
elements is designed for consumer users but is still not a newbie app.

It's just my suspicion, but I suspect many of the apps at the Apple App
Store may fit that definition. So far, have not heard good things about
Microsoft Store.

whether it's in the apple or microsoft store makes no difference.

some apps are for newbies and some are not.

pixelmator, which is in the app store, is not a newbie photo app.

apple's own photos, which is also in the app store, is a newbie app,
with a lot of capabilities under the hood.

Small correction: "Photos" is not in the Mac App Store. It is installed
as a component of OS X 10.10.3 and later. The iOS version is similar.

Its predecessor, iPhoto, was in the Mac App Store (from about 2011),
until it was removed with the introduction of Photos.

--
David Empson

In article , David
Empson wrote:

It's just my suspicion, but I suspect many of the apps at the Apple App
Store may fit that definition. So far, have not heard good things about
Microsoft Store.

whether it's in the apple or microsoft store makes no difference.

some apps are for newbies and some are not.

pixelmator, which is in the app store, is not a newbie photo app.

apple's own photos, which is also in the app store, is a newbie app,
with a lot of capabilities under the hood.

Small correction: "Photos" is not in the Mac App Store. It is installed
as a component of OS X 10.10.3 and later. The iOS version is similar.

Its predecessor, iPhoto, was in the Mac App Store (from about 2011),
until it was removed with the introduction of Photos.

hm, i figured it would be in the app store.

In article , Lewis
wrote:

Most people do use a one-button mouse in Windows because they have no
idea what that other button is for and if they accidentally press it,
they get very confused.

Bull****.

it's not bull****.

geeks don't realize how confused a typical user can get.

True, a new-born newbie won't know what the 2nd button is for. It was
one the first things I taught my wife: right button to get a menu, left
button to make something happen, scroll wheel to make things move.

There are other uses depending on the program, and they are no more
intuitive ("easy to use") than any other functions. They even confuse
geeks, except that geeks are more likely to try and figure it out on
their own.

Gotta agree with Lewis and nospam here, Wolf. Not with Lewis's
assertion of "most people", though. I have run across folks who've
never used the right button, so it happens.

I do a lot of support for businesses. The executives and their support
staff wouldn't know a right-click if it bit them in the ass. The
low-level people are using some custom app (probably built in Access in
1997) and don't even have a mouse. The percentage of employees using a
right-click is extremely small.

Research data backs up my impression, but right now I am not finding the
paper I read on the percentage of Windows users that used it on a regular
basis (that is, daily). It was low though. 30%? Based on my own
experiences with normal everyday users, 30% sounds high.

there was also a user study done long ago (not by apple) that showed
the advantages of a one button mouse versus multi-button mice that
showed an increase in user productivity and fewer errors with a one
button mouse, which is why apple chose it.

On 8/6/15 9:36 PM, Lewis wrote:
In message
Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/6/15 10:15 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-08-06 12:03, nospam wrote:
In article , Wolf K
wrote:

General note for youngsters: a one- button mouse is better than the
others for people with arthritis.

i wish we could use a 1-button mouse in windoze!

Most people do use a one-button mouse in Windows because they have no
idea what that other button is for and if they accidentally press it,
they get very confused.

Bull****.

it's not bull****.

geeks don't realize how confused a typical user can get.

True, a new-born newbie won't know what the 2nd button is for. It was
one the first things I taught my wife: right button to get a menu, left
button to make something happen, scroll wheel to make things move.

There are other uses depending on the program, and they are no more
intuitive ("easy to use") than any other functions. They even confuse
geeks, except that geeks are more likely to try and figure it out on
their own.

Gotta agree with Lewis and nospam here, Wolf. Not with Lewis's
assertion of "most people", though. I have run across folks who've
never used the right button, so it happens.

I do a lot of support for businesses. The executives and their support
staff wouldn't know a right-click if it bit them in the ass. The
low-level people are using some custom app (probably built in Access in
1997) and don't even have a mouse. The percentage of employees using a
right-click is extremely small.

Research data backs up my impression, but right now I am not finding the
paper I read on the percentage of Windows users that used it on a regular
basis (that is, daily). It was low though. 30%? Based on my own
experiences with normal everyday users, 30% sounds high.

In the early days, MS made a couple changes dealing with copy/move
files, and I could never remember what was what. So I became a habitual
right click person when wanting to do a copy/move.

Now that nospam told me about using the option key for move, don't know
what/how I'll remember that!!! LOL BTW, passed that bit of info
along to a relatively new Mac user this last Wednesday. She didn't know
either.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/6/15 6:36 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Let's say you've never done photo editing with something like Photoshop.
Most folks would have a hard time with Gimp. I've fiddled with that
kind of software over the years, no professional reason to really learn
any of them, and I find Gimp hard to deal with.

gimp has a horrible interface. photoshop is well designed but it
targets graphic artists, photographers, etc., not newbies. photoshop
elements is designed for consumer users but is still not a newbie app.

It's just my suspicion, but I suspect many of the apps at the Apple App
Store may fit that definition. So far, have not heard good things about Microsoft Store.

apps that are designed for newbies are designed to be simple. making a
photo look better is generally a click or two and as they get more
comfortable with what's going, they can tweak it a bit more.


I've tried Gimp; too much work for limited results. Pixelmator(if I have
the name right this time) is easier to use, but, in my opinion, slow, some
of which(but not all) is due to unfamiliarity, and also only does less than
half of what I can do with ColorIt!. Someday, when I find and install
replacements for everything else I still need the old laptop with Snow
Leopard for, I plan to have a look at Photoshop Elements. I just want to
make my Fotos look as if they were perfectly framed and lit when I took
them and put them together with text of my choice on pages I can print for
a physical album and as a .jpg album on my iPad. I have yet to find a
program usable with Yosemite that will let me do the part beginning "and
put" .
I don't want to fake things as many do with Photoshop.

I am not totally alone. My daughter, a career-long art teacher who has used
both Mac and Windoze at her school over the years, has finally come over
from the Dark Side(my description) to Mac, but her favorite graphics
program, CorelDraw, is still on the Dark Side.

--
biblioholic medievalist

nospam wrote:
In article
-september.
, Erilar wrote:

I honestly think that those folks who are so staunch in their opinion
that documentation is not needed, have lived most of their lives in an
environment where having computers was the norm for that location. They
may have never lived anywhere else to know all the world is not the same.

the problem is not lack of documentation.

the problem are poorly designed products that are hard to use.

Stupid tutorial videos are not a substitute far actual manuals with table
of contents and indexes!!

videos are actually much better because they walk you through step by
step showing you exactly what to do and what will happen, whereas a
user manual could never do that.

But you have to sit through all kinds of extra stuff for the bit you need!
--
biblioholic medievalist

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On 2015-08-09, Erilar wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article
-september.
, Erilar wrote:

I honestly think that those folks who are so staunch in their opinion
that documentation is not needed, have lived most of their lives in an
environment where having computers was the norm for that location. They
may have never lived anywhere else to know all the world is not the same.

the problem is not lack of documentation.

the problem are poorly designed products that are hard to use.

Stupid tutorial videos are not a substitute far actual manuals with table
of contents and indexes!!

videos are actually much better because they walk you through step by
step showing you exactly what to do and what will happen, whereas a
user manual could never do that.

But you have to sit through all kinds of extra stuff for the bit you need!

Fast forward. : )

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

In article
-september.
org, Erilar wrote:

Stupid tutorial videos are not a substitute far actual manuals with table
of contents and indexes!!

videos are actually much better because they walk you through step by
step showing you exactly what to do and what will happen, whereas a
user manual could never do that.

But you have to sit through all kinds of extra stuff for the bit you need!

skip ahead and/or watch at a faster speed.

On 2015-08-09 14:11:37 +0000, Erilar said:

Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/6/15 6:36 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Let's say you've never done photo editing with something like Photoshop.
Most folks would have a hard time with Gimp. I've fiddled with that
kind of software over the years, no professional reason to really learn
any of them, and I find Gimp hard to deal with.

gimp has a horrible interface. photoshop is well designed but it
targets graphic artists, photographers, etc., not newbies. photoshop
elements is designed for consumer users but is still not a newbie app.

It's just my suspicion, but I suspect many of the apps at the Apple App
Store may fit that definition. So far, have not heard good things
about Microsoft Store.

apps that are designed for newbies are designed to be simple. making a
photo look better is generally a click or two and as they get more
comfortable with what's going, they can tweak it a bit more.


I've tried Gimp; too much work for limited results. Pixelmator(if I have
the name right this time) is easier to use, but, in my opinion, slow, some
of which(but not all) is due to unfamiliarity, and also only does less than
half of what I can do with ColorIt!.

Another new powerful photo editing application which is now out of beta
is Affinity Photo. It has some very impressive features. However, since
you are climbing the learning curve of Pixelmator, you would have a
similar climb with Affinity Photo. Remember, with any sophisticated
software you will need to invest some time to wring the best out of it.
That applies to Pixelmator, GIMP, Photoshop (& Photoshop Elements),
Lightroom, and now Affinity Photo.

https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/affinity-photo/id824183456?mt=12
http://petapixel.com/2015/06/18/hands-on-affinity-photo-is-the-photoshop-alternative-youve-been-waiting-for/

Someday,

when I find and install
replacements for everything else I still need the old laptop with Snow
Leopard for, I plan to have a look at Photoshop Elements. I just want to
make my Fotos look as if they were perfectly framed and lit when I took
them and put them together with text of my choice on pages I can print for
a physical album and as a .jpg album on my iPad. I have yet to find a
program usable with Yosemite that will let me do the part beginning "and
put" .
I don't want to fake things as many do with Photoshop.

I am not totally alone. My daughter, a career-long art teacher who has used
both Mac and Windoze at her school over the years, has finally come over
from the Dark Side(my description) to Mac, but her favorite graphics
program, CorelDraw, is still on the Dark Side.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

On 2015-08-09 20:41:03 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2015-08-09 14:11:37 +0000, Erilar said:

Ken Springer wrote:
On 8/6/15 6:36 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Let's say you've never done photo editing with something like Photoshop.
Most folks would have a hard time with Gimp. I've fiddled with that
kind of software over the years, no professional reason to really learn
any of them, and I find Gimp hard to deal with.

gimp has a horrible interface. photoshop is well designed but it
targets graphic artists, photographers, etc., not newbies. photoshop
elements is designed for consumer users but is still not a newbie app.

It's just my suspicion, but I suspect many of the apps at the Apple App
Store may fit that definition. So far, have not heard good things
about Microsoft Store.

apps that are designed for newbies are designed to be simple. making a
photo look better is generally a click or two and as they get more
comfortable with what's going, they can tweak it a bit more.


I've tried Gimp; too much work for limited results. Pixelmator(if I have
the name right this time) is easier to use, but, in my opinion, slow, some
of which(but not all) is due to unfamiliarity, and also only does less than
half of what I can do with ColorIt!.

Another new powerful photo editing application which is now out of beta
is Affinity Photo. It has some very impressive features. However, since
you are climbing the learning curve of Pixelmator, you would have a
similar climb with Affinity Photo. Remember, with any sophisticated
software you will need to invest some time to wring the best out of it.
That applies to Pixelmator, GIMP, Photoshop (& Photoshop Elements),
Lightroom, and now Affinity Photo.

https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/affinity-photo/id824183456?mt=12
http://petapixel.com/2015/06/18/hands-on-affinity-photo-is-the-photoshop-alternative-youve-been-waiting-for/

It

also has a pretty comprehensive "Help" file and a growing set of tutorials.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_256.jpg


Someday when I find and install replacements for everything else I
still need the old laptop with Snow
Leopard for, I plan to have a look at Photoshop Elements. I just want to
make my Fotos look as if they were perfectly framed and lit when I took
them and put them together with text of my choice on pages I can print for
a physical album and as a .jpg album on my iPad. I have yet to find a
program usable with Yosemite that will let me do the part beginning "and
put" .
I don't want to fake things as many do with Photoshop.

I am not totally alone. My daughter, a career-long art teacher who has used
both Mac and Windoze at her school over the years, has finally come over
from the Dark Side(my description) to Mac, but her favorite graphics
program, CorelDraw, is still on the Dark Side.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-08-09 20:41:03 +0000, Savageduck said:

!.
Another new powerful photo editing application which is now out of beta
is Affinity Photo. It has some very impressive features. However,
since you are climbing the learning curve of Pixelmator, you would
have a similar climb with Affinity Photo. Remember, with any
sophisticated software you will need to invest some time to wring
the best out of it. That applies to Pixelmator, GIMP, Photoshop (&
Photoshop Elements), Lightroom, and now Affinity Photo.
https://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/affinity-photo/id824183456?mt=12
http://petapixel.com/2015/06/18/hands-on-affinity-photo-is-the-photoshop-alternative-youve-been-waiting-for/

It also has a pretty comprehensive "Help" file and a growing set of tutorials.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_256.jpg

Sounds promising 8-)


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biblioholic medievalist