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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 8/24/20 12:03 PM, nospam wrote:
[snip] it works on macs from about 2013 or so onward. The particular "older Mac" I am concerned with here is a late 2012 Mac Mini (which did take Catalina). it's also the first to run on both intel and apple silicon processors. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." -- Clarence Darrow |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 8/24/20 12:43 PM, Snit wrote:
[snip] The signal should be the direction they are turning (or changing lanes). Yes, which is why I didn't understand why the person trying to teach me to drive was using this complicated system. Easy. It is easy when you don't depend on "help" from people who are doing it the hard way. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." -- Clarence Darrow |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Aug 24, 2020 at 5:27:40 PM MST, "Mark Lloyd" wrote:
On 8/24/20 12:43 PM, Snit wrote: [snip] The signal should be the direction they are turning (or changing lanes). Yes, which is why I didn't understand why the person trying to teach me to drive was using this complicated system. Easy. It is easy when you don't depend on "help" from people who are doing it the hard way. No argument here. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Aug 24, 2020 at 5:07:45 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:43:42 +0100, Snit wrote: Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 4:36 PM, Snit wrote: [snip] I still tend to think of them by their numbers.... though with some the names were made to show connections (Snow Leopard followed Leopard for example). Now they have gone all the way up to 11! My Mac Mini currently shows: macOS Catalina Version 10.15.5 (there is an update to 10.15.6 scheduled to install tonight) I am already on 10.15.6. Not a competition though. I think that=E2=80=99s the update that fixed virtualization memory leaks =E2=80=94 which given how I have been using Windows in Parallels was a big deal for me. BTW, that island looks like some kind of predatory animal. LOL. Haven't had memory leaks in Windows since 1995. The vitalization solutions had memory leaks -- not Windows itself. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Aug 24, 2020 at 5:06:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey""
wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 18:43:43 +0100, Snit wrote: Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 3:08 PM, Snit wrote: [snip] There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? How about clicking on "OK" or "cancel" rather than blindly clicking on a spot that "feels right"? Muscle memory. Of course I would notice when that "muscle memory" was leading to the WRONG result, and correct the problem (which was clicking the wrong button). Sure. And that will slow you down =E2=80=94 if only a little. Years ago was a part of a UI study where we compared the Delete / Cancel style buttons vs. the Yes / No style. The more descriptive buttons led to FAR fewer errors (can=E2=80=99t recall the exact numbers but nearly zero vs. far more). I suspect placement has a similar impact. I would go further and put a little warning graphic on something that can cause problems, like deleting or not saving. They have that on the dialog but generally not the buttons. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 8/24/20 7:05 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
[snip] In college, someone asked me why things are reversed left-to-right but not up-to-down in a mirror. The answer is that NEITHER direction is reversed. It's just the way words are defined. "up" and "down" are Earth-relative and don't change with your orientation. While looking in a mirror, try pointing to your left and notice that you are pointing left and the mirror image is pointing right but both you and the image are pointing in the SAME direction. You just answered a Physics question form my first year Uni lecture that I could never understand. The actual reversal in the mirror is on the Z axis (front-to-back). Point forward and the image is pointing the other way. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." -- Clarence Darrow |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 8/24/20 11:39 AM, Jim H wrote:
[snip] I never noticed this problem until someone else mentioned it. I would click on the appropriate box like "OK" not just some location within the window. Do you glance down at your car pedals each time to the labels you wrote on them saying "brake" and "gas"? Of course not. Nor do I confuse buttons on my computer monitor with my car pedals. Also, car pedals stay there (at least as long as you have the same car), but dialog box buttons have no existence in between times, and are created for EACH of those dialog boxes. There's no guarantee they will be created the same way each time. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." -- Clarence Darrow |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 8/24/20 12:40 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
[snip] Of course not. Nor do I confuse buttons on my computer monitor with my car pedals. So apparently you're not driving a car with windows. windows allow the demons to climb in whenever nobody's looking and re-arrange the pedals. -- "Ethernet: Something used to catch the EtherBunny." |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 8/24/20 7:13 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
[snip] Generally speaking... perhaps too generally... pressing ENTER causes the safest action to take place. ********.* Delete a file, enter means yes.* That's bad. I remember a device where if you try to delete something you get one of those "are you sure" messages, but this one is "ENTER TO DELETE". That's a strange one. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." -- Clarence Darrow |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On 8/24/20 7:07 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:08:54 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 3:08 PM, Snit wrote: [snip] There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? How about clicking on "OK" or "cancel" rather than blindly clicking on a spot that "feels right"? Muscle memory. Of course I would notice when that "muscle memory" was leading to the WRONG result, and correct the problem (which was clicking the wrong button). What you're saying is your conscious is faster than your subconscious. No. I would notice I made a mistake and learn that it's a mistake to rely on "muscle memory" here, and try to stop doing that. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." -- Clarence Darrow |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
On Aug 24, 2020 at 5:48:38 PM MST, "Mark Lloyd" wrote:
On 8/24/20 7:07 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 17:08:54 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote: On 8/23/20 3:08 PM, Snit wrote: [snip] There must be some utility I can use to swap these buttons over? How about clicking on "OK" or "cancel" rather than blindly clicking on a spot that "feels right"? Muscle memory. Of course I would notice when that "muscle memory" was leading to the WRONG result, and correct the problem (which was clicking the wrong button). What you're saying is your conscious is faster than your subconscious. No. I would notice I made a mistake and learn that it's a mistake to rely on "muscle memory" here, and try to stop doing that. I saw what appeared to the that on videos of users -- we would see their faces and the screens. They would click on something and you could see on their face the "OH NO!" look, actually a bit BEFORE they clicked. They recognized what they were doing but could not stop it in time. Humans are funny creatures. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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How to swap OK and Cancel in dialog boxes?
In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote: it works on macs from about 2013 or so onward. The particular "older Mac" I am concerned with here is a late 2012 Mac Mini (which did take Catalina). it's never fun to be on the other side of a cutoff, but nothing lasts forever. 8 years is a very long time in technology. that said, there are unsupported hacks. |
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