Windows Update to IE11

"mick" wrote in message ...

On 12/11/2013 18:08:27, NY wrote:
"mick" wrote in message
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On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my
preferred choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other
popular ones to test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts in the
email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have been offered an
upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't get installed
accidentally if I install everything that is offered. Uninstalling newer
versions of IE (if I accidentally install one) restores the non-blurry
fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

Windows Live Mail is not allowed anywhere near my computer and IMO should
not be used on anyone else's either :-)


Why is that? I am using it and Thunderbird. What are your reasons?

--
Buffalo

Bob Henson wrote:
On 12/11/2013 6:49 PM, Chris S. wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
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On 12/11/2013 3:47 PM, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

The test version was badly broken - but they may have fixed it for the
release. I'm waiting for more comments before it goes on here.

I tried it a few days ago. A couple of my financial sites balked. Told me my
browser wasn't supported, or words to that effect. Removed IE 11. I'll wait
until
the world catches up!

Chris


That's what happened to me, except the sites didn't tell me anything,
the just refused to respond. What obviously appeared to be (and were in
Firefox) links remained steadfastly non-responsive - they didn't show
the usual underline. I think that rather than the world catching up it
is Internet Explorer 11 that needs to catch up - all though I'm not very
technical, my guess is that HTML5 was involved and IE could not handle
it yet. As Firefox *could* handle it, Internet Explorer 11 came off the
system sharpish! It's a pity, because it did appear to be very quick now
it firmly integrates itself into Windows again.


There are User Agent string changers.

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/18450...et-explorer-8/

You can change the information at the Registry level.

http://www.pctools.com/guides/registry/detail/799/

*******

The "User Agent" string, is how the web site figures out
what code to serve to you, compensate for missing Flash plugins
or no HTML5 available or whatever. It starts with the User Agent,
and the probing goes from there (separate probe for Flash).

*******

There should also be a Compatibility View option,
as described here. This is likely how Microsoft wants
you to resolve these problems.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/i...-view#ie=ie-11

I don't really use IE all that much, so can't vouch for
any of the above.

Paul

On 12/11/2013 22:24:47, Buffalo wrote:
"mick" wrote in message ...

On 12/11/2013 18:08:27, NY wrote:
"mick" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my preferred
choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other popular ones to
test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts in the
email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have been offered an
upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't get installed
accidentally if I install everything that is offered. Uninstalling newer
versions of IE (if I accidentally install one) restores the non-blurry
fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

Windows Live Mail is not allowed anywhere near my computer and IMO should
not be used on anyone else's either :-)


Why is that? I am using it and Thunderbird. What are your reasons?

Because so many people use it on newsgroups but do set it properly to
do quoting. I get fed up with replies appearing in peoples signatures.
Then there are times that personal email gets posted to newsgroups.
Much better to have a dedicated email client and a separate dedicated
news group reader.

--
mick

Paul wrote:
Bob Henson wrote:
On 12/11/2013 6:49 PM, Chris S. wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2013 3:47 PM, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

The test version was badly broken - but they may have fixed it for the
release. I'm waiting for more comments before it goes on here.

I tried it a few days ago. A couple of my financial sites balked.
Told me my
browser wasn't supported, or words to that effect. Removed IE 11.
I'll wait until
the world catches up!

Chris


That's what happened to me, except the sites didn't tell me anything,
the just refused to respond. What obviously appeared to be (and were in
Firefox) links remained steadfastly non-responsive - they didn't show
the usual underline. I think that rather than the world catching up it
is Internet Explorer 11 that needs to catch up - all though I'm not very
technical, my guess is that HTML5 was involved and IE could not handle
it yet. As Firefox *could* handle it, Internet Explorer 11 came off the
system sharpish! It's a pity, because it did appear to be very quick now
it firmly integrates itself into Windows again.


I see here, that some users have already been through all of
this. The only question that remains, is whether a User Agent
hack would have any effect or not.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/i...page=~pagenum~

Paul

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:55:01 -0800, "Bruce Hagen" wrote:

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On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:59:53 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
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"pjp" wrote in message
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Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?



It works fine for me, but................. I don't like tabbed browsing
and
unlike previous versions, there is no option to disable tabbed browsing.

What is tabbed browsing - I know, I probably should know, but don't


http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...e-disable.html

Ok, got it! Thanks for the reminder!

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 22:16:35 GMT, mick wrote:

On 12/11/2013 21:38:57, wrote:
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:13:08 -0700, "Buffalo"
wrote:

"NY" wrote in message
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"mick" wrote in message
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On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my preferred
choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other popular ones to
test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts in the
email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have been offered an
upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't get installed
accidentally if I install everything that is offered. Uninstalling newer
versions of IE (if I accidentally install one) restores the non-blurry
fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

I just installed it in my Win7HP 64 bit system and my fonts are fine in my
Live Mail.
They were fine with IE ver 10 also. Perhaps you could try reinstalling
Windows Live Mail.
Haven't checked it for speed, etc, but so far it is working fine.

I did the regular updates today and IEv11 was not offered as an
update? Where did you update it from? Any problem with
Favorities/Cookies or anything like that after updating? Best
reason(s) to update?

I have not had any regular updates today, only IE11 is listed.

I'm running Win7 64bit and I had 16 updates today and IE11 was not one
of them.

On 12-Nov-2013 17:42, mick wrote:
On 12/11/2013 22:24:47, Buffalo wrote:
"mick" wrote in message ...

On 12/11/2013 18:08:27, NY wrote:
"mick" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick
with IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my
preferred choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other
popular ones to test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts
in the email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have
been offered an upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't
get installed accidentally if I install everything that is offered.
Uninstalling newer versions of IE (if I accidentally install one)
restores the non-blurry fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

Windows Live Mail is not allowed anywhere near my computer and IMO
should not be used on anyone else's either :-)


Why is that? I am using it and Thunderbird. What are your reasons?

Because so many people use it on newsgroups but do set it properly to do
quoting. I get fed up with replies appearing in peoples signatures.
Then there are times that personal email gets posted to newsgroups.
Much better to have a dedicated email client and a separate dedicated
news group reader.


WLM doesn't quote newsgroups at all but does quote email properly.
In newsgroups, quotes have to be done manually and people are too lazy
to do it or just don't give a rat's ass about it.

So people *please* stop using WLM and use a decent newsreader.

This is my rant for today. :-)

--
Leala.

On 2013-11-12, Leala wrote:
On 12-Nov-2013 17:42, mick wrote:
On 12/11/2013 22:24:47, Buffalo wrote:
"mick" wrote in message ...

On 12/11/2013 18:08:27, NY wrote:
"mick" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick
with IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my
preferred choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other
popular ones to test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts
in the email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have
been offered an upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't
get installed accidentally if I install everything that is offered.
Uninstalling newer versions of IE (if I accidentally install one)
restores the non-blurry fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

Windows Live Mail is not allowed anywhere near my computer and IMO
should not be used on anyone else's either :-)


Why is that? I am using it and Thunderbird. What are your reasons?

Because so many people use it on newsgroups but do set it properly to do
quoting. I get fed up with replies appearing in peoples signatures.
Then there are times that personal email gets posted to newsgroups.
Much better to have a dedicated email client and a separate dedicated
news group reader.


WLM doesn't quote newsgroups at all but does quote email properly.
In newsgroups, quotes have to be done manually and people are too lazy
to do it or just don't give a rat's ass about it.

So people *please* stop using WLM and use a decent newsreader.


Use a decent OS.

Windows is lazy, geared towards non-computer peeps.


--
Many people are desperately looking for some wise advice which will
recommend that they do what they want to do.

"Paladin" wrote in message
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On 2013-11-12, Leala wrote:
On 12-Nov-2013 17:42, mick wrote:
On 12/11/2013 22:24:47, Buffalo wrote:
"mick" wrote in message ...

On 12/11/2013 18:08:27, NY wrote:
"mick" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick
with IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my
preferred choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other
popular ones to test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts
in the email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have
been offered an upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't
get installed accidentally if I install everything that is offered.
Uninstalling newer versions of IE (if I accidentally install one)
restores the non-blurry fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

Windows Live Mail is not allowed anywhere near my computer and IMO
should not be used on anyone else's either :-)


Why is that? I am using it and Thunderbird. What are your reasons?

Because so many people use it on newsgroups but do set it properly to do
quoting. I get fed up with replies appearing in peoples signatures.
Then there are times that personal email gets posted to newsgroups.
Much better to have a dedicated email client and a separate dedicated
news group reader.


WLM doesn't quote newsgroups at all but does quote email properly.
In newsgroups, quotes have to be done manually and people are too lazy
to do it or just don't give a rat's ass about it.

So people *please* stop using WLM and use a decent newsreader.


Use a decent OS.

Windows is lazy, geared towards non-computer peeps.


--
Many people are desperately looking for some wise advice which will
recommend that they do what they want to do.

"peeps".. says a lot about you.

On 2013-11-12, Chris S. wrote:

"Paladin" wrote in message
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On 2013-11-12, Leala wrote:
On 12-Nov-2013 17:42, mick wrote:
On 12/11/2013 22:24:47, Buffalo wrote:
"mick" wrote in message ...

On 12/11/2013 18:08:27, NY wrote:
"mick" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick
with IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my
preferred choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other
popular ones to test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts
in the email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have
been offered an upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't
get installed accidentally if I install everything that is offered.
Uninstalling newer versions of IE (if I accidentally install one)
restores the non-blurry fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

Windows Live Mail is not allowed anywhere near my computer and IMO
should not be used on anyone else's either :-)


Why is that? I am using it and Thunderbird. What are your reasons?

Because so many people use it on newsgroups but do set it properly to do
quoting. I get fed up with replies appearing in peoples signatures.
Then there are times that personal email gets posted to newsgroups.
Much better to have a dedicated email client and a separate dedicated
news group reader.


WLM doesn't quote newsgroups at all but does quote email properly.
In newsgroups, quotes have to be done manually and people are too lazy
to do it or just don't give a rat's ass about it.

So people *please* stop using WLM and use a decent newsreader.


Use a decent OS.

Windows is lazy, geared towards non-computer peeps.


--
Many people are desperately looking for some wise advice which will
recommend that they do what they want to do.

"peeps".. says a lot about you.


You not cutting my sig says you can't use a ****ing newsreader.
Moron.

--
Many people are desperately looking for some wise advice which will
recommend that they do what they want to do.

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:47:37 -0400, pjp
wrote:


Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

I installed it today and Kaspersky's Password Manager told me to disable
enhanced protection mode. The only protected mode I could see is in
'Security' in Internet Options, but unticking that gave me an immediate
message that my PC would not be adequately protected. Win7Ult.
Any thoughts on this?
--
Robin Bignall
Herts, England

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:29:17 -0500, Leala
wrote:

WLM doesn't quote newsgroups at all but does quote email properly.


? That's not my experience at all. It does both the same
way--terribly.

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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"pjp" wrote in message
...

Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?



It works fine for me, but................. I don't like tabbed browsing
and unlike previous versions, there is no option to disable tabbed
browsing.

Idly curious, what don't you like about tabs?
--
SC Tom

On 12/11/2013 23:29:17, Leala wrote:
On 12-Nov-2013 17:42, mick wrote:
On 12/11/2013 22:24:47, Buffalo wrote:
"mick" wrote in message ...

On 12/11/2013 18:08:27, NY wrote:
"mick" wrote in message
...
On 12/11/2013 15:47:37, pjp wrote:
Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick
with IE10?

Thanks for asking the question, I'm waiting too. FireFox is my
preferred choice of browser anyway but I do like to have the other
popular ones to test my website.

My experience is that anything newer than IE 8 causes blurry fonts
in the email-reading pane of Windows Live Mail. Each time I have
been offered an upgrade to IE, I have set it to "Hide" so it doesn't
get installed accidentally if I install everything that is offered.
Uninstalling newer versions of IE (if I accidentally install one)
restores the non-blurry fonts, but it is a pain to have to do it.

Windows Live Mail is not allowed anywhere near my computer and IMO
should not be used on anyone else's either :-)


Why is that? I am using it and Thunderbird. What are your reasons?

Because so many people use it on newsgroups but do set it properly to do
quoting. I get fed up with replies appearing in peoples signatures.
Then there are times that personal email gets posted to newsgroups.
Much better to have a dedicated email client and a separate dedicated
news group reader.


WLM doesn't quote newsgroups at all but does quote email properly.
In newsgroups, quotes have to be done manually and people are too lazy to do
it or just don't give a rat's ass about it.

oops, forgot to put 'not' after does.

So people *please* stop using WLM and use a decent newsreader.

agree 100%

This is my rant for today. :-)

WLM users would not understand that, they go blindly forth. :-)

--
mick

"Robin Bignall" wrote in message
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:47:37 -0400, pjp
wrote:


Is it wise to allow this update or should one skip it and stick with
IE10?

I installed it today and Kaspersky's Password Manager told me to disable
enhanced protection mode. The only protected mode I could see is in
'Security' in Internet Options, but unticking that gave me an immediate
message that my PC would not be adequately protected. Win7Ult.
Any thoughts on this?

When I went to a MS website, it said enhanced mode in IE11 will not work
with Win 7.
Well, I just tried Googling it and now I can't find that link.
Does anyone know if it can actually be used in Win7 64bit?

--
Buffalo