very old screensavers (and teapots)

Really old screensavers, from Windows 9x and the like, often (is it
always?) don't run _as screensavers_ (i. e. they will run if run as
executables) under XP and later.

I know there _are_ ways to get them into the rotation, usually by
putting them in some other wrapper (such as
http://www.gaiadreamcreation.com/screensaver-manager/), but these are
rather a kludge and clunky.

_Why_ don't they work? (I presume it's because some of them are seen as
potentially dangerous. But then doesn't that apply to all 'savers?
Couldn't XP/7 popup a warning that it is then your choice whether you
ignore?)

Also: the "pipes" 'saver used to have random teapots if set up correctly
(they appeared as about 1 joint in 1000), but this was removed from XP
onwards. Anyone know why? (Was it pressure from industry, who found
their employees spent too much time teapot-spotting?)

(Anyone know what byte or pair of bytes hold the teapot ratio, in the
old .scr file?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Is the reason they[the crown jewels]'re not insured, that the Queen's got form
because of that fire at Windsor? - Lucy Porter on "The Unbelievable Truth",
2012-April-8

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
Really old screensavers, from Windows 9x and the like, often (is it
always?) don't run _as screensavers_ (i. e. they will run if run as
executables) under XP and later.

I know there _are_ ways to get them into the rotation, usually by
putting them in some other wrapper (such as
http://www.gaiadreamcreation.com/screensaver-manager/), but these are
rather a kludge and clunky.

_Why_ don't they work? (I presume it's because some of them are seen
as potentially dangerous. But then doesn't that apply to all 'savers?
Couldn't XP/7 popup a warning that it is then your choice whether you
ignore?)

I run Aston 2 on some of my machines) that runs on XP, Vista, 7, and
partly under 8. And one of the things it has is a background changer,
either in rotation or shuffle.

http://www.astonshell.com/aston2/

Also: the "pipes" 'saver used to have random teapots if set up
correctly (they appeared as about 1 joint in 1000), but this was
removed from XP onwards. Anyone know why? (Was it pressure from
industry, who found their employees spent too much time
teapot-spotting?)

(Anyone know what byte or pair of bytes hold the teapot ratio, in the
old .scr file?)

Teapots? What the hell?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teapots

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

"BillW50" wrote in message
...

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
Really old screensavers, from Windows 9x and the like, often (is it
always?) don't run _as screensavers_ (i. e. they will run if run as
executables) under XP and later.

I know there _are_ ways to get them into the rotation, usually by
putting them in some other wrapper (such as
http://www.gaiadreamcreation.com/screensaver-manager/), but these are
rather a kludge and clunky.

_Why_ don't they work? (I presume it's because some of them are seen
as potentially dangerous. But then doesn't that apply to all 'savers?
Couldn't XP/7 popup a warning that it is then your choice whether you
ignore?)

I run Aston 2 on some of my machines) that runs on XP, Vista, 7, and
partly under 8. And one of the things it has is a background changer,
either in rotation or shuffle.

http://www.astonshell.com/aston2/

Also: the "pipes" 'saver used to have random teapots if set up
correctly (they appeared as about 1 joint in 1000), but this was
removed from XP onwards. Anyone know why? (Was it pressure from
industry, who found their employees spent too much time
teapot-spotting?)

(Anyone know what byte or pair of bytes hold the teapot ratio, in the
old .scr file?)

Teapots? What the hell?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teapots

That's a new one for me, and don't think I'd want to try it :-( Don't know
why he'd whistle, though LOL!
--
SC Tom

In message , BillW50
writes:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
Really old screensavers, from Windows 9x and the like, often (is it
always?) don't run _as screensavers_ (i. e. they will run if run as
executables) under XP and later.

I know there _are_ ways to get them into the rotation, usually by
putting them in some other wrapper (such as
http://www.gaiadreamcreation.com/screensaver-manager/), but these are
rather a kludge and clunky.

_Why_ don't they work? (I presume it's because some of them are seen
as potentially dangerous. But then doesn't that apply to all 'savers?
Couldn't XP/7 popup a warning that it is then your choice whether you
ignore?)

I run Aston 2 on some of my machines) that runs on XP, Vista, 7, and
partly under 8. And one of the things it has is a background changer,
either in rotation or shuffle.

http://www.astonshell.com/aston2/

Looks complicated; does it enable the running of old screensavers, which
would answer my question (sort of).

For background changing, I use Panorama; works from pre-XP to 7 at
least. (I know 7 has its own slideshow; too complicated to use IMO.)

http://www.brothersoft.com/panorama-32-172036.html (NOT home site;
that's www.ivory.org, but for some reason is blocking my ISP).

Also: the "pipes" 'saver used to have random teapots if set up
correctly (they appeared as about 1 joint in 1000), but this was
removed from XP onwards. Anyone know why? (Was it pressure from
industry, who found their employees spent too much time
teapot-spotting?)

(Anyone know what byte or pair of bytes hold the teapot ratio, in the
old .scr file?)

Teapots? What the hell?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teapots

That's definitely _not_ what I had in mind (-:! I just meant the Utah
teapots in the pipes screensaver. (And from that description, I think
they may be thinking of a whistling kettle: teapots don't make a sound.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

(If you are unlucky you may choose one of the old-fashioned ones [language
schools] and be taught English as it should be, and not as it is, spoken.)
George Mikes, "How to be Decadent" (1977).

BillW50 wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

(Anyone know what byte or pair of bytes hold the teapot ratio, in the
old .scr file?)

Teapots? What the hell?

Never watched pipes.scr for very long, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapotahedron#Appearances

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
news
In message , BillW50
writes:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
Really old screensavers, from Windows 9x and the like, often (is it
always?) don't run _as screensavers_ (i. e. they will run if run as
executables) under XP and later.

I know there _are_ ways to get them into the rotation, usually by
putting them in some other wrapper (such as
http://www.gaiadreamcreation.com/screensaver-manager/), but these
are rather a kludge and clunky.

_Why_ don't they work? (I presume it's because some of them are seen
as potentially dangerous. But then doesn't that apply to all
'savers? Couldn't XP/7 popup a warning that it is then your choice
whether you ignore?)

I run Aston 2 on some of my machines) that runs on XP, Vista, 7, and
partly under 8. And one of the things it has is a background changer,
either in rotation or shuffle.

http://www.astonshell.com/aston2/

Looks complicated; does it enable the running of old screensavers,
which would answer my question (sort of).

There are two Aston's, versions 1 and 2. And 2 is really easy and 1
could be a bear. Especially if a theme doesn't support you screen
resolution. Lots of scripts and stuff to edit. 2 is totally different,
everything is simple point and click.

Screen savers under Aston? Gee I know a great deal about Aston and
nobody ever asked me that question before. Nor do I know the answer. I
could check it out later if you would like.

For background changing, I use Panorama; works from pre-XP to 7 at
least. (I know 7 has its own slideshow; too complicated to use IMO.)

http://www.brothersoft.com/panorama-32-172036.html (NOT home site;
that's www.ivory.org, but for some reason is blocking my ISP).

Oh ok. I do sometimes use Windows 7 and 8 slideshow (especially on my
machines without Aston) and it isn't too hard. Aston is easier in the
sense you tell it what folder to use and that is it. 7/8 is like this
too in a way.

Also: the "pipes" 'saver used to have random teapots if set up
correctly (they appeared as about 1 joint in 1000), but this was
removed from XP onwards. Anyone know why? (Was it pressure from
industry, who found their employees spent too much time
teapot-spotting?)

(Anyone know what byte or pair of bytes hold the teapot ratio, in
the old .scr file?)

Teapots? What the hell?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teapots

That's definitely _not_ what I had in mind (-:! I just meant the Utah
teapots in the pipes screensaver. (And from that description, I think
they may be thinking of a whistling kettle: teapots don't make a
sound.)

Ah I don't recall either kinds so searching I found that one. I guess I
am just going to fire up an older Windows and check it out. Is pipes.scr
found on Windows 2000 too?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
o.uk...
BillW50 wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

(Anyone know what byte or pair of bytes hold the teapot ratio, in
the old .scr file?)

Teapots? What the hell?

Never watched pipes.scr for very long, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapotahedron#Appearances

Nope, not really. I wasn't much for screen savers. I'd just hit the
power switch on the monitor mostly. But now I am curious and will fire
up some older Windows and check it out. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

In message , BillW50
writes:
[]
http://www.astonshell.com/aston2/

Looks complicated; does it enable the running of old screensavers,
which would answer my question (sort of).

There are two Aston's, versions 1 and 2. And 2 is really easy and 1
could be a bear. Especially if a theme doesn't support you screen
resolution. Lots of scripts and stuff to edit. 2 is totally different,
everything is simple point and click.

Screen savers under Aston? Gee I know a great deal about Aston and
nobody ever asked me that question before. Nor do I know the answer. I
could check it out later if you would like.

Not unless you're going that way. Even in a simplified/improved version,
I don't think I'll be installing a new shell just to run some old
screensavers - too much else might break. (Not least my news and email
client [Turnpike], which works as an Explorer extension.)

For background changing, I use Panorama; works from pre-XP to 7 at
least. (I know 7 has its own slideshow; too complicated to use IMO.)

http://www.brothersoft.com/panorama-32-172036.html (NOT home site;
that's www.ivory.org, but for some reason is blocking my ISP).

Oh ok. I do sometimes use Windows 7 and 8 slideshow (especially on my
machines without Aston) and it isn't too hard. Aston is easier in the
sense you tell it what folder to use and that is it. 7/8 is like this
too in a way.

OK if all the images you want to use are in the same place. Panorama you
just add the (full) pathnames to its list (IIRR it has a GUI way to help
you do so).

Also: the "pipes" 'saver used to have random teapots if set up
correctly (they appeared as about 1 joint in 1000), but this was
removed from XP onwards. Anyone know why? (Was it pressure from
industry, who found their employees spent too much time
teapot-spotting?)

(Anyone know what byte or pair of bytes hold the teapot ratio, in
the old .scr file?)

Teapots? What the hell?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teapots

That's definitely _not_ what I had in mind (-:! I just meant the Utah
teapots in the pipes screensaver. (And from that description, I think
they may be thinking of a whistling kettle: teapots don't make a
sound.)

Ah I don't recall either kinds so searching I found that one. I guess I
am just going to fire up an older Windows and check it out. Is pipes.scr
found on Windows 2000 too?

Not sure. Well, it probably is, but don't know if it's the version with
the teapots or not.

Note that you have to set it up correctly: I _think_ it's just a matter
of specifying mixed as the joint type, but I can't remember for sure.
Takes a while to be sure, as they don't come up that often, and when
they do, if they're "in the distance", you can easily miss them. A
really big (close) one is for some reason very satisfying, though!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Yet I still seem to be master of my fate. The boat may be only a canoe, but I'm
paddling it. (Katharine Hepburn)

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

That's definitely _not_ what I had in mind (-:! I just meant the Utah
teapots in the pipes screensaver. (And from that description, I think
they may be thinking of a whistling kettle: teapots don't make a sound.)

Examples here.

http://www.eeggs.com/items/493.html

And it's an OpenGL based screensaver. That
page says "Windows NT Easter Egg".

The Utah Teapot appeared enough times in
my graphics magazine, so it would be somewhat
of an inside joke.

*******

Here, the Teapot in (f), enjoys some Gouraud shading.
The other Teapots look sad by comparison. That Teapot
shows up again and again, in lessons. So it looks
like the Windows screensaver got a "good one".

http://cse.csusb.edu/tong/courses/cs...ht-teapots.jpg

( http://cse.csusb.edu/tong/courses/cs...s/lighting.php )

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

That's definitely _not_ what I had in mind (-:! I just meant the Utah
teapots in the pipes screensaver. (And from that description, I think
they may be thinking of a whistling kettle: teapots don't make a sound.)

Examples here.

http://www.eeggs.com/items/493.html

And it's an OpenGL based screensaver. That
page says "Windows NT Easter Egg".

Says NT 3.5 or above. But I know it's there in the Win9x version, and
_not_ in the XP one (I think not in 7 either).

The Utah Teapot appeared enough times in
my graphics magazine, so it would be somewhat
of an inside joke.
[]
Very much so, in that it was the first everyday object to be digitised -
look it up on Wikipedia if interested. (The original Melitta teapot -
now in a museum! - is taller; someone at one point reduced the vertical
scale, liked the result, and saved the result.)

While looking around, I found this - the humour will only appeal to
those with a certain kind of programming experience, but it gave me some
belly-laughs: http://bit.ly/OqusCh
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Time is an illusion - lunchtime doubly so. (First series, fit the first.)

"Paul" wrote in message
...
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

That's definitely _not_ what I had in mind (-:! I just meant the Utah
teapots in the pipes screensaver. (And from that description, I think
they may be thinking of a whistling kettle: teapots don't make a
sound.)

Examples here.

http://www.eeggs.com/items/493.html

And it's an OpenGL based screensaver. That
page says "Windows NT Easter Egg".

The Utah Teapot appeared enough times in
my graphics magazine, so it would be somewhat
of an inside joke.

*******

Here, the Teapot in (f), enjoys some Gouraud shading.
The other Teapots look sad by comparison. That Teapot
shows up again and again, in lessons. So it looks
like the Windows screensaver got a "good one".

http://cse.csusb.edu/tong/courses/cs...ht-teapots.jpg

( http://cse.csusb.edu/tong/courses/cs...s/lighting.php )

You know this reminds me a lot of WordArt (found in earlier Word and
Works versions). I tried to find some good examples like the stuff I
used to create. But I saw nothing as good as what I did. Basically you
could make letters into 3D objects. Change the lighting, change the
view, rotate, etc. Here is the best example I could find, but it is
still a poor example of what all you could do.

http://www.homeandlearn.co.uk/MW//s6p6.html

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , BillW50
writes:
[]
http://www.astonshell.com/aston2/

Looks complicated; does it enable the running of old screensavers,
which would answer my question (sort of).

There are two Aston's, versions 1 and 2. And 2 is really easy and 1
could be a bear. Especially if a theme doesn't support you screen
resolution. Lots of scripts and stuff to edit. 2 is totally
different, everything is simple point and click.

Screen savers under Aston? Gee I know a great deal about Aston and
nobody ever asked me that question before. Nor do I know the answer.
I could check it out later if you would like.

Not unless you're going that way. Even in a simplified/improved
version, I don't think I'll be installing a new shell just to run some
old screensavers - too much else might break. (Not least my news and
email client [Turnpike], which works as an Explorer extension.)

Actually they should work just fine. Explorer is still there, just the
shell isn't (under some of the possible configurations anyway under
Aston2). And I can't think of anything that breaks (even with everything
enabled). And I have been using Aston 1 and 2 since 2006 or earlier.

For background changing, I use Panorama; works from pre-XP to 7 at
least. (I know 7 has its own slideshow; too complicated to use IMO.)

http://www.brothersoft.com/panorama-32-172036.html (NOT home site;
that's www.ivory.org, but for some reason is blocking my ISP).

Oh ok. I do sometimes use Windows 7 and 8 slideshow (especially on my
machines without Aston) and it isn't too hard. Aston is easier in the
sense you tell it what folder to use and that is it. 7/8 is like this
too in a way.

OK if all the images you want to use are in the same place. Panorama
you just add the (full) pathnames to its list (IIRR it has a GUI way
to help you do so).

Ok, I don't know if a folder with shortcuts to backgrounds all over
would do the same thing under Aston2, it might. Also you might be able
to do this with scripts under Aston2, not sure.

Also: the "pipes" 'saver used to have random teapots if set up
correctly (they appeared as about 1 joint in 1000), but this was
removed from XP onwards. Anyone know why? (Was it pressure from
industry, who found their employees spent too much time
teapot-spotting?)

(Anyone know what byte or pair of bytes hold the teapot ratio, in
the old .scr file?)

Teapots? What the hell?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teapots

That's definitely _not_ what I had in mind (-:! I just meant the
Utah teapots in the pipes screensaver. (And from that description, I
think they may be thinking of a whistling kettle: teapots don't make
a sound.)

Ah I don't recall either kinds so searching I found that one. I guess
I am just going to fire up an older Windows and check it out. Is
pipes.scr found on Windows 2000 too?

Not sure. Well, it probably is, but don't know if it's the version
with the teapots or not.

Note that you have to set it up correctly: I _think_ it's just a
matter of specifying mixed as the joint type, but I can't remember for
sure. Takes a while to be sure, as they don't come up that often, and
when they do, if they're "in the distance", you can easily miss them.
A really big (close) one is for some reason very satisfying, though!

That sounds very interesting. I sure love to experiment and I don't know
how I missed this one. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:17:28 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

Never watched pipes.scr for very long, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapotahedron#Appearances

Nope, not really. I wasn't much for screen savers. I'd just hit the
power switch on the monitor mostly. But now I am curious and will fire
up some older Windows and check it out. ;-)

There was also the taller one, a coffee pot?

--
Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2
and built in 5 years;
UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

That's definitely _not_ what I had in mind (-:! I just meant the Utah
teapots in the pipes screensaver. (And from that description, I think
they may be thinking of a whistling kettle: teapots don't make a sound.)

Examples here.

http://www.eeggs.com/items/493.html

And it's an OpenGL based screensaver. That
page says "Windows NT Easter Egg".

Says NT 3.5 or above. But I know it's there in the Win9x version, and
_not_ in the XP one (I think not in 7 either).

The Utah Teapot appeared enough times in
my graphics magazine, so it would be somewhat
of an inside joke.
[]
Very much so, in that it was the first everyday object to be digitised -
look it up on Wikipedia if interested. (The original Melitta teapot -
now in a museum! - is taller; someone at one point reduced the vertical
scale, liked the result, and saved the result.)

While looking around, I found this - the humour will only appeal to
those with a certain kind of programming experience, but it gave me some
belly-laughs: http://bit.ly/OqusCh

I bet that looks good on the resume - "wrote a well regarded
RFC for an Internet protocol". That'll probably get that
extra job offer :-)

Paul

On 2/23/2014 3:12 PM, Paul wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
While looking around, I found this - the humour will only appeal to
those with a certain kind of programming experience, but it gave me
some belly-laughs: http://bit.ly/OqusCh

I bet that looks good on the resume - "wrote a well regarded
RFC for an Internet protocol". That'll probably get that
extra job offer :-)

Despite the joking nature of its origins, or perhaps
because of it, the protocol has remained as a minor
presence online. The editor Emacs includes a fully
functional implementation of it, and a number of bug
reports exist complaining about Mozilla's lack of support
for the protocol. Ten years after the publication of
HTCPCP, the Web-Controlled Coffee Consortium (WC3)
published a first draft of "HTCPCP Vocabulary in RDF" in
analogy of the World Wide Web Consortium's (W3C) "HTTP
Vocabulary in RDF"

Oh man! Mozilla still doesn't support "Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control
Protocol" (HTCPCP) [RFC 2324] yet? Thus no...

ERROR 418:
The HTCPCP server is a teapot; the resulting entity body may be short
and stout.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center