Problem with Audio now

wrote:
I will be gone until later PM. Other busies, as I mentioned earlier.
Thanks
JW


With regard to the current state of your Windows setup,
you currently have the RealTek device "disabled" in Device
Manager.

So I fail to see how you would expect sound to work, until
you turn that device in Device Manager back on !

The Control Panel "Troubleshooter" can do this, if you're
too lazy to Start : Run : devmgmt.msc and fix it from there.

*******

I like to look in Device Manager (devmgmt program), because
it's easier to see how many botched devices I have. For example,
on my test machine right now, I have around 20 yellow marks in
Device Manager, for some Intel hardware item that obviously doesn't
matter :-) If I install the driver to fix that (remove the yellow
marks), the Intel morons add some other software to the PC that I
don't want, and there is no configuration option to refuse
the installation of it (possibly stuff written by the McAfee
division.) I have no idea why that package insists on
mixing drivers and application level software together,
with no way to separate them. So I put up with a
raft of yellow marks instead (Grrr).

Paul

wrote:


I fear flashing any BIOS.

JW

The risk is variable, and in some cases, the
risk level is not well understood.

If the motherboard makers never erased the "Boot Block",
the perception of upgrade reliability might have been
quite different. But as long as many upgrades start
the process by erasing the Boot Block as the first
step, it leaves a huge gap for failures to happen.

With no Boot Block, it cannot bootstrap itself.

The Boot Block is supposed to be non-volatile, so
that it is always present, even when the worst things
happen. And yet, on the majority of motherboards, that's
not how it works.

+------------+ \
| Main | \___ They're only supposed to erase this part...
| code | /
+------------+ /
| Boot Block | --- This part was intended to support recovery
+------------+

The best device for this was "BIOS Savior" chip, a
"dual BIOS" approach with a separate switch to select
A versus B chip. That was the most confidence inspiring
add-on product for motherboard BIOS flashing. But the
company who made that, did not update the concept
for newer motherboards, and that simply isn't an
option any more. None of the BIOS Savior chips of
ten years ago, would plug into a modern motherboard.

The Asus motherboards with the USB flashing port on
the back, they're the latest innovation to deal
with "BIOS flashing anxiety". Apparently, even with
no CPU plugged in, inserting a USB flash stick with
a BIOS file on it, can be used to upgrade the BIOS.
So if you brick the motherboard, it may be possible
to recover it. Since I haven't seen a technical
description of how it works, I don't know if the
scheme has the "usual holes" or not. It might be
using the microcontroller inside the PCH for example,
to do the job. As long as I don't know which chip is
used, I can't guess how safe it is (un-brickable?).

Paul

wrote in message ...

I have taken another look at this GD Problem I am having.

You remember that it all started when I discovered that the DVD drive
in the MSI W7 PC no longer worked. When I disconnected the power and
data cables from that drive, the machine promptly stopped showing any
raster on the monitor - even though the PC seemed to be powered on.
I have a MSI FM2-A85XA-G43 with W7.

Out of the blue, it suddenly did not show any raster on its monitor.
I first pulled all cables from all drives except the basic C drive
holding my W7. Wonder of wonders, the monitor fired right up! Aha I
thought!

Then I noticed that even though the only drive connected was said C
drive, Windows Explorer in the results clearly shows existence of a
DVD drive as P drive. Figure that! Of course there is no DVD, or any
other drive, connected. Then I looked at the BIOS boot to see what it
showed for drives, and it showed only the C drive, no DVD drive, as I
would expect.

I wired up another DVD drive I have, and tried things again. Now the
BIOS shows the new DVD drive (correct), but Windows Explorer in W7
shows two drives, one as drive D and the other as the famous drive P.
The new DVD drive D plays disks, and so I think it works. Drive P
remains non-functional.

Except that now I see I have no audio! I use earphones, plugged into
'speaker out' on the rear. Always have. I uninstalled and
re-installed the Realtek audio driver package, to no avail. However,
I see in the Realtek audio display that it does not show anything
plugged into anything. I think if I remember correctly, it always
did! I think it always showed what was plugged into where. Am I
right? I do see that I hand-wrote on my MOBO manual 'use Realtek to
display audio connections'. So it should.

My Device manager shows no driver problems.

Now I am stuck. Any ideas? I am begging assistance. Before I go
mad. If I can just get my audio back, I can ignore the phantom P
drive.

JW

Long Thread, overall.
Have you tried going into Device Manager and Uninstalling your Audio and
then rebooting? After rebooting, install the drivers again.
Sometimes that is all that is required. Just installing or updating drivers
often doesn't work unless you uninstall first and then reboot and then
install the drivers.
Pretty quick to try and it doesn't cost any money.
--
Buffalo

Stormin' Norman wrote:


Why do you believe he has the audio device disabled in device manager?

Because he already said he disabled the ReakTek device
(controlling both RealTek speakers and RealTek digital),
in a previous post. All his current efforts are for nothing,
if that isn't turned back on (re-enabled).

He disabled it in Device Manager. Right now, only the
HDMI audio on the video card is still enabled, as far
as I know.

Paul

On Wed, 27 May 2015 12:24:55 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

I have taken another look at this GD Problem I am having.

You remember that it all started when I discovered that the DVD drive
in the MSI W7 PC no longer worked. When I disconnected the power and
data cables from that drive, the machine promptly stopped showing any
raster on the monitor - even though the PC seemed to be powered on.
I have a MSI FM2-A85XA-G43 with W7.

Out of the blue, it suddenly did not show any raster on its monitor.
I first pulled all cables from all drives except the basic C drive
holding my W7. Wonder of wonders, the monitor fired right up! Aha I
thought!

Then I noticed that even though the only drive connected was said C
drive, Windows Explorer in the results clearly shows existence of a
DVD drive as P drive. Figure that! Of course there is no DVD, or any
other drive, connected. Then I looked at the BIOS boot to see what it
showed for drives, and it showed only the C drive, no DVD drive, as I
would expect.

I wired up another DVD drive I have, and tried things again. Now the
BIOS shows the new DVD drive (correct), but Windows Explorer in W7
shows two drives, one as drive D and the other as the famous drive P.
The new DVD drive D plays disks, and so I think it works. Drive P
remains non-functional.

Except that now I see I have no audio! I use earphones, plugged into
'speaker out' on the rear. Always have. I uninstalled and
re-installed the Realtek audio driver package, to no avail. However,
I see in the Realtek audio display that it does not show anything
plugged into anything. I think if I remember correctly, it always
did! I think it always showed what was plugged into where. Am I
right? I do see that I hand-wrote on my MOBO manual 'use Realtek to
display audio connections'. So it should.

My Device manager shows no driver problems.

Now I am stuck. Any ideas? I am begging assistance. Before I go
mad. If I can just get my audio back, I can ignore the phantom P
drive.

JW

Long Thread, overall.
Have you tried going into Device Manager and Uninstalling your Audio and
then rebooting? After rebooting, install the drivers again.
Sometimes that is all that is required. Just installing or updating drivers
often doesn't work unless you uninstall first and then reboot and then
install the drivers.
Pretty quick to try and it doesn't cost any money.


yes

On Wed, 27 May 2015 07:20:09 -0700, Stormin' Norman
wrote:



Depending upon the age, they might very well be Live CDs, there should
be a menu option at start up, Boot Linux from disc or Install Linux.
Choose the Boot from disc option.

I did that.


As for getting sound, fire up the web browser and go to Youtube, as
good a source for audio as any.

I didn't think to try that - or any other web-based audio for that
matter. Not too smart. My excuse is I am too busy, which does not
take much at my age.


Use your existing discs and try it again. This is the final
diagnostic, if you have no sound under Linux, I believe we can
pronounce the audio subsystem on the main board as being dead.

That's what I thought. Again, I have a Chinese sound card coming.


I find it rather coincidental that you lost a DVD drive at the same
time your audio crapped out. Makes me wonder if there is something
going on at the root of your system such as a power supply which is
going bad.


I am back. Obviously.
I agree. I thought that from the gitgo.

Thanks

JW

On Wed, 27 May 2015 11:00:39 -0400, Paul wrote:

wrote:
I will be gone until later PM. Other busies, as I mentioned earlier.
Thanks
JW


With regard to the current state of your Windows setup,
you currently have the RealTek device "disabled" in Device
Manager.

So I fail to see how you would expect sound to work, until
you turn that device in Device Manager back on !

As things stand right now (after the CMOS resets and Realtek
reinstalls, etc), I have:
1) Digital Display Audio
AMD HDA Device
Not plugged in
RED
2) Speakers
Realtek HDA
Not plugged in
RED
3) Realtek HDA Second Output
Realtek HDA
Not plugged in
RED
4) Realtek Digital Output
Realtek HDA
Disabled
BLACK

The Control Panel "Troubleshooter" can do this, if you're
too lazy to Start : Run : devmgmt.msc and fix it from there.
I had run that before

*******
I will try the msc before I post this.
Hmm - all that did was bring up Device Manager.


I like to look in Device Manager (devmgmt program), because
it's easier to see how many botched devices I have. For example,
on my test machine right now, I have around 20 yellow marks in
Device Manager, for some Intel hardware item that obviously doesn't
matter :-) If I install the driver to fix that (remove the yellow
marks), the Intel morons add some other software to the PC that I
don't want, and there is no configuration option to refuse
the installation of it (possibly stuff written by the McAfee
division.) I have no idea why that package insists on
mixing drivers and application level software together,
with no way to separate them. So I put up with a
raft of yellow marks instead (Grrr).

Paul

On Wed, 27 May 2015 15:10:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:


Why do you believe he has the audio device disabled in device manager?

Because he already said he disabled the ReakTek device
(controlling both RealTek speakers and RealTek digital),
in a previous post. All his current efforts are for nothing,
if that isn't turned back on (re-enabled).

He disabled it in Device Manager. Right now, only the
HDMI audio on the video card is still enabled, as far
as I know.

Paul


Oh dear.

Plse see my last post.

JW

wrote in message ...

On Wed, 27 May 2015 12:24:55 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

[snip]
Long Thread, overall.
Have you tried going into Device Manager and Uninstalling your Audio and
then rebooting? After rebooting, install the drivers again.
Sometimes that is all that is required. Just installing or updating
drivers
often doesn't work unless you uninstall first and then reboot and then
install the drivers.
Pretty quick to try and it doesn't cost any money.


yes

OK, just making sure you uninstalled, then rebooted and installed the audio
again.
Hopefully you will post back on what the solution was.
--
Buffalo

wrote in message ...

On Wed, 27 May 2015 12:24:55 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

I have taken another look at this GD Problem I am having.

You remember that it all started when I discovered that the DVD drive
in the MSI W7 PC no longer worked. When I disconnected the power and
data cables from that drive, the machine promptly stopped showing any
raster on the monitor - even though the PC seemed to be powered on.
I have a MSI FM2-A85XA-G43 with W7.

Out of the blue, it suddenly did not show any raster on its monitor.
I first pulled all cables from all drives except the basic C drive
holding my W7. Wonder of wonders, the monitor fired right up! Aha I
thought!

Then I noticed that even though the only drive connected was said C
drive, Windows Explorer in the results clearly shows existence of a
DVD drive as P drive. Figure that! Of course there is no DVD, or any
other drive, connected. Then I looked at the BIOS boot to see what it
showed for drives, and it showed only the C drive, no DVD drive, as I
would expect.

I wired up another DVD drive I have, and tried things again. Now the
BIOS shows the new DVD drive (correct), but Windows Explorer in W7
shows two drives, one as drive D and the other as the famous drive P.
The new DVD drive D plays disks, and so I think it works. Drive P
remains non-functional.

Except that now I see I have no audio! I use earphones, plugged into
'speaker out' on the rear. Always have. I uninstalled and
re-installed the Realtek audio driver package, to no avail. However,
I see in the Realtek audio display that it does not show anything
plugged into anything. I think if I remember correctly, it always
did! I think it always showed what was plugged into where. Am I
right? I do see that I hand-wrote on my MOBO manual 'use Realtek to
display audio connections'. So it should.

My Device manager shows no driver problems.

Now I am stuck. Any ideas? I am begging assistance. Before I go
mad. If I can just get my audio back, I can ignore the phantom P
drive.

JW

Long Thread, overall.
Have you tried going into Device Manager and Uninstalling your Audio and
then rebooting? After rebooting, install the drivers again.
Sometimes that is all that is required. Just installing or updating
drivers
often doesn't work unless you uninstall first and then reboot and then
install the drivers.
Pretty quick to try and it doesn't cost any money.


yes
How about uninstalling the drivers, disabling the device and then rebooting?
If your audio is a physical card, remove it and boot up without it. Then
shut down and physically install it again.
--
Buffalo

On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:23:02 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

wrote in message ...


Your attribution line is broken on your last two posts. See above, the user
name has gone missing.


--

Char Jackson

On 5/27/2015 8:35 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2015 21:46:51 -0400, Charlie wrote:

On 5/26/2015 10:34 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 26 May 2015 09:55:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 25 May 2015 19:09:18 -0400, Paul wrote:
I examined the drivers existing in Device Manager, and found 'System
Speakers' under 'System Devices'. It says 'no drivers installed for
this device'. Maybe this is why I have no audio.


While I am looking up your main board, right click on the device
listed above and select remove / uninstall. Once it is gone, SHUTDOWN
/ not restart, the machine. Wait a few seconds and start it up again.
Let's see if the drivers are automatically installed.

Certain AMD/ATI video driver versions used when the video card has HDMI
audio can cause the problems that started this thread.

My audio is onboard, and I have never used HDMI with this PC (W7).

Thanks tho

JW

The Realtek drivers for onboard audio can be disconnected by the AMD
video drivers. The newer drivers don't seem to do this.
I have an older ASUS MBD running a Phenom IIx4 and DDR2 memory with an
XFX AMD R7770 video card. It was problematic for several years, in that
video card driver updates would kill both the on board audio and the
video card audio. The Video card audio was being switched to the
secondary video card that was not connected to the display. Fixing that
required playing around with enable disable, and reinstall. Fixing the
on board auto usually required another enable disable enable sequence of
both the on board and video card audio drivers.

On Thu, 28 May 2015 06:03:22 -0700, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Thu, 28 May 2015 11:35:16 -0400, wrote:

Well I still have no audio.

I installed one of the Linux Ubuntu CD's I stored away after playing
with that OS in 2010-2011. I think they must be the so-called
LiveCDs, but I just don't remember. I chose version 10-11, which is
shown to no longer to be supported, worse luck.

You say you "Installed" Ubuntu, did you actually install it to a hard
drive or did you run Ubuntu from the CD? The Linux ability to run from
a CD is the reason for the "Live CD" term.

Yeh I know. I just figgered to wipe the spare HDD and place Ubuntu by
itself on it. Might leave it that way, update the OS, and play again
with Linux/Unix. Brings back memories.

Thanks




Regardless, your audio hardware is toasted. Wait for the new card.


Agree.

JW

On Thu, 28 May 2015 06:10:36 -0700, Stormin' Norman
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 23:25:18 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:23:02 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

wrote in message ...


Your attribution line is broken on your last two posts. See above, the user
name has gone missing.

You have nothing to apologize for, Char's comment was directed to
"Buffalo".

However, if Char really cared, he would have looked up the quoted
message from the message id's. Odds are he was playing Usenet cop,
trying to "teach" Buffalo the "right way" of doing things.


Understand

JW

On Wed, 27 May 2015 23:25:18 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Wed, 27 May 2015 16:23:02 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

wrote in message ...


Your attribution line is broken on your last two posts. See above, the user
name has gone missing.


Not sure what you mean. But I apologize anyhow.

JW