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  #16  
Old July 25th 04, 07:55 PM
Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
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I have crashed windows xp too.

I do it intentionally, and you know, sometimes it's harder to break than one
would think.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Greg R" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:05:33 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
wrote:

I use several software programs not endorsed by Microsoft.
However, I'm careful with what I install and usually I will
manually set a System Restore point prior to installation.
And yes, I have sometimes managed to corrupt Windows XP
by my own doing and realized it was my fault.


Thank you. I think some people have criticize you unfairly.

I have crashed windows xp too.

Greg R



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  #17  
Old July 25th 04, 08:00 PM
XS11E
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in
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A. Since you cannot site specific examples, your observation is
mute.


???? Did you mean "moot"?

  #18  
Old July 25th 04, 08:00 PM
Carey Frisch [MVP]
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Yes, thanks for the grammatical correction.

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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/


"XS11E" wrote in message:
.. .

| "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in
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| A. Since you cannot site specific examples, your observation is
| mute.
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| ???? Did you mean "moot"?
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  #19  
Old July 25th 04, 08:00 PM
Greg R
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Tom
Quit criticizing Carey. Carey answered all my questions. Carey was
nice and responsive.

However, I disagree with not using registry cleaner. Uninstall
Nortons. The do a search for symatec & nortons. Keys and values
will still be there. Plus ironic as it is. Microsoft itself has a
program called regclean. 4.1 a will work on windows xp.



Greg R



Being that nearly every other MVP in here other than you recommends to others NOT to use registry cleaners, that should be telling in itself. Just because MS approves it (which could be for marketing purposes, rather than a real benefit), doesn't make it

safe. Most people don't know what is being cleaned out anyway, and those cleaners can remove stuff that is non-Windows related, that the person NEEDS on their PC. Uninstalling things is the best way.



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Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User


  #20  
Old July 25th 04, 08:50 PM
Ronnie Vernon MVP
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Tom wrote:
Not a personal attack, but a view from reality, he doesn't fit the
criteria IMHO, if got it, that is fine.

snip

However, your latest response to Carey belies this statement and places your
real agenda in the light.

--
Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://www.mvps.org


  #21  
Old July 25th 04, 09:55 PM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Tom;
I am snipping all that I am not commenting.

It is not necessary to respond to a Thank-you.
Even though the Thank-you is necessary to verify the fix and help
improve quality, there are those that think even that is a waste of
bandwidth.
Many MVPs choose not to respond at all or respond in a limited degree
to Thank-yous.
Many people here are on dial-up and some even pay by the amount of
bandwidth used.
A response to every thank you would impact those right in their
wallet.
I am less willing to do something affecting someone else's wallet and
this is probably true for many others.

You should see our in boxes and IMs from each other when something is
not right.
There is a great deal of communicating that you do not see and frankly
you should not see.
It is not sweeping anything under the rug, it is improving the
experience for everyone including you.

We all have different experiences with hardware and software.
The experiences can be first hand or second hand.
We all make recommendations based on those experiences.

Lastly
You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs,
since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility.
Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.
If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster
your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
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Q. "I have yet to see him (CF) express a reply of gratitude to one

who thanked him.

A. Not necessary....have you ever sent a thank-you note to someone

that already sent one?

HUH? That doesn't make sense, but do you ever say "you're welcome",
you ingrate? I have never seen it from you yet!


Q. "He even doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him when he

makes these errors".

A. Private email does this best and you have no knowledge how I

communicate with peers.

Poor cop out Carey, I have seen MVPs call you down, before you were an
MVP, and you got all ****y about it, instead of just admitting fault
when you were wrong. Now that you got the title, you can avoid it. I
am sure you don't enjoy being embarassed in private also, so you avoid
it altogether, by not addressing it in any venue!

Even if you addessed it prviately, and you were called on it, you
still make the same rrors, which tells me my last sentence in the
previous paragraph seems true.

Q. " I think it is very un-MVP like to recommend a registry

cleaner/maintenance program..."

A. Why? The only one I recommend is System Mechanic, and it's

featured in the Windows Catalog.

Being that nearly every other MVP in here other than you recommends to
others NOT to use registry cleaners, that should be telling in itself.
Just because MS approves it (which could be for marketing purposes,
rather than a real benefit), doesn't make it safe. Most people don't
know what is being cleaned out anyway, and those cleaners can remove
stuff that is non-Windows related, that the person NEEDS on their PC.
Uninstalling things is the best way.



--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User


--
Tom
Not a Microsoft MVP, and certainly not deserving of it based on Rick
Rogers standards.

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/


Be Smart, really learn and express your knowledge of Windows, not just
link it! Be nice!


  #22  
Old July 25th 04, 09:55 PM
Tom
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"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message =
...
Tom wrote:
Not a personal attack, but a view from reality, he doesn't fit the
criteria IMHO, if got it, that is fine.

snip
=20
However, your latest response to Carey belies this statement and =

places your
real agenda in the light.


To what? What I pointed out, I had no other light to shed on the =
subject. What I stated is a factual observation, and I pointed out what =
he has done before at his request. Note, you do see that light? No =
biggie though, birds of a feather flock together.
  #23  
Old July 25th 04, 09:55 PM
Michael D. Alligood
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I apologize about stirring up a hornets nest guys. I was just inquiring
about how to become an MVP myself. Thanks for all the replies.

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Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+,
Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI


"Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message
...
realize that this is not the correct forum for placing this post,
however... My question concerning the MVP award is:

How does one achieve or get recognized for this award? The MVP FAQs are
vague at best. Who nominates an MVP?


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Best of luck!

Michael D. Alligood
MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+,
i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI





  #24  
Old July 25th 04, 09:55 PM
Tom
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message =
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snipped moral code=20

Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.


No personal issue, if he wants to do what he does, then he should bear =
the words of others. I will note that you ignore his personal attacks on =
those seeking help.

You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs,
since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility.
Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.


Apparently there needs to be rules, and less flexibility on who is =
selected; ever heard of standards??. While I admit I would in no way =
qualify for the role based on my attitude at times, he takes the cake!


If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster
your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it.


No, you have that wrong totally, it is one thing to call names, and not =
bolster the claim with it, that is weak, and makes nothing of proof to =
the claim. I said what I said, while giving example of real incidents, =
at his request. I supported it.

Anyway, nuff said already, I am done with this, but not at grilling him =
when he make accusatory, or scornful remarks about non-Windows =
applications users, or purported pirates.
  #25  
Old July 25th 04, 11:04 PM
WinGuy
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I sometimes think that the biggest problem with using titles is that it
gives the impression, to those who know no better, that the title holder is
in someway connected to Microsoft. 99.99% of the time that would be a very
incorrect assumption, although why someone might make the assumption is very
understandable. For those who don't know, all those titles are obtained by
passing Microsoft approved tests (many cost around $100 a go, pass or fail).
That's all the certificates indicate, that proficiency in a very specialized
range of knowledge that a cert represents was demonstrated by passing one or
more tests.

But take a person with fresh certs right out of a trade school and put them
in a service environment. Say, networking. If the system is working properly
then that tech isn't going to have a problem if the scope of the networking
classes was really understood. But that same person is probably going to be
lost if the system is infected, lost because the expertise required simply
is not currently provided in trade training classes with a cert that will
show that proficiency exists in the manner needed in a real world service
environment. Instead, the flabbergasted tech knows only that it by golly the
procedures trained in are indeed supposed to work on a properly operating
system, so the only avenue left for the floundering tech is to wipe the HDD
and install everything from scratch. Yes, the procedures will then work -
but the customer is not a happy camper and will never be back because much
effort, and possibly unrecoverable expense, when into the "look and feel" of
a system that no longer exists.

The point I'm making is that certs are valuable and represent considerable
personal financial and determination investments. They each attest to a
demonstrated proficiency, and that is something to be highly respected. But
they are specialized, and they are related to properly operating systems -
not malfunctioning ones and especially not infected ones. Here is where
experience is not replaceable and can not be, in practice, represented by a
cert. Service is an art.

So why do people advertise their certs in such places as newsgroups? Because
they have some expertise that probably helps give a better vantage point for
diagnostic purposes than the average computer owner or a tech fresh out of a
trade school. That doesn't mean a cert holder is of much value outside of
the specialized range of knowledge that a cert represents, but it does mean
that the range of knowledge represented by a cert is being represented by a
professional who has taken the steps to prove it by getting the indicated
certification.

I'm saying, respect the certs for what they are but don't expect more than
what they really represent. Everyone in this forum, advertising certs or
not, is trying to help others in this forum that are asking for help.
Sometimes there are multiple causes for a problem, sometimes the given
solutions are incorrect but often the solution is correct. No one knows it
all, but the good ones know how to find possible answers to what they don't
know and then the good ones at least try to provide or point to a possible
solution based upon experience and/or certs as the case may be. They
appreciate a thank you, but it's pretty well understood that the
disappearance of a topic after a possible solution was given probably
indicates the solution worked and the sufferer is now thankful but very busy
getting the computer back to normal and doesn't have time to post a thank
you. To not reply to a thank you doesn't seem rude, since the intent to help
wasn't intended to be rude either. A thank you is nice but it is not
required, and the same goes for saying "thank you for thanking me".


  #26  
Old July 26th 04, 12:04 AM
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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If you think Microsoft needs different standards for MVPs, this is not
really the place.
Since Microsoft does not officially monitor these peer to peer
newsgroups, your ideas are most likely unseen by those who influence
this policy.
If you have suggestions on this:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=114491
Also...
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...;EN-US;mvpfaqs
At the top of FAQ.

As far a names, there is no appropriate way to call a person an
inappropriate name such as "ingrate" & "twirp", possibly others.
There is nothing you said that justifies either of these.
However as you use them your credibility drops.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...


You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs,
since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility.
Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own
personal issues.


Apparently there needs to be rules, and less flexibility on who is
selected; ever heard of standards??. While I admit I would in no way
qualify for the role based on my attitude at times, he takes the cake!


If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster
your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it.


No, you have that wrong totally, it is one thing to call names, and
not bolster the claim with it, that is weak, and makes nothing of
proof to the claim. I said what I said, while giving example of real
incidents, at his request. I supported it.

Anyway, nuff said already, I am done with this, but not at grilling
him when he make accusatory, or scornful remarks about non-Windows
applications users, or purported pirates.


  #27  
Old July 26th 04, 12:27 AM
Greg R
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Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't
in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not
Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this.

Greg R


  #28  
Old July 26th 04, 02:08 AM
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"Greg R" wrote in message
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Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't
in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not
Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this.

Greg R


That's correct. Microsoft comments on the program at:
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...EN-US;mvpintro

Many do sign in this and other forums with certs only obtainable by passing
tests.


  #29  
Old July 26th 04, 10:00 AM
Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
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Correct. There is no test. The MVP award is given by Microsoft for
recognition of the effort given in the prior year, it is not a
certification. As I stated earlier in the thread, it is contingent upon
accuracy, consistency, and a willingness to help. No specialized training is
required other than a will to teach, and to learn.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Greg R" wrote in message
...
Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't
in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not
Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this.

Greg R




  #30  
Old July 26th 04, 10:09 AM
Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
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Correct. There is no test. The MVP award is given by Microsoft for
recognition of the effort given in the prior year, it is not a
certification. As I stated earlier in the thread, it is contingent upon
accuracy, consistency, and a willingness to help. No specialized training is
required other than a will to teach, and to learn.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone
www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Greg R" wrote in message
...
Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't
in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not
Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this.

Greg R




 




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