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I have crashed windows xp too.
I do it intentionally, and you know, sometimes it's harder to break than one would think. -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone Windows help - www.rickrogers.org "Greg R" wrote in message ... On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:05:33 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote: I use several software programs not endorsed by Microsoft. However, I'm careful with what I install and usually I will manually set a System Restore point prior to installation. And yes, I have sometimes managed to corrupt Windows XP by my own doing and realized it was my fault. Thank you. I think some people have criticize you unfairly. I have crashed windows xp too. Greg R |
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in
: A. Since you cannot site specific examples, your observation is mute. ???? Did you mean "moot"? |
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Yes, thanks for the grammatical correction.
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Be Smart! Protect your PC! http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ "XS11E" wrote in message: .. . | "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in | : | | A. Since you cannot site specific examples, your observation is | mute. | | ???? Did you mean "moot"? | |
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Tom
Quit criticizing Carey. Carey answered all my questions. Carey was nice and responsive. However, I disagree with not using registry cleaner. Uninstall Nortons. The do a search for symatec & nortons. Keys and values will still be there. Plus ironic as it is. Microsoft itself has a program called regclean. 4.1 a will work on windows xp. Greg R Being that nearly every other MVP in here other than you recommends to others NOT to use registry cleaners, that should be telling in itself. Just because MS approves it (which could be for marketing purposes, rather than a real benefit), doesn't make it safe. Most people don't know what is being cleaned out anyway, and those cleaners can remove stuff that is non-Windows related, that the person NEEDS on their PC. Uninstalling things is the best way. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User |
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Tom wrote:
Not a personal attack, but a view from reality, he doesn't fit the criteria IMHO, if got it, that is fine. snip However, your latest response to Carey belies this statement and places your real agenda in the light. -- Ronnie Vernon Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit. http://www.dts-l.org http://www.mvps.org |
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Tom;
I am snipping all that I am not commenting. It is not necessary to respond to a Thank-you. Even though the Thank-you is necessary to verify the fix and help improve quality, there are those that think even that is a waste of bandwidth. Many MVPs choose not to respond at all or respond in a limited degree to Thank-yous. Many people here are on dial-up and some even pay by the amount of bandwidth used. A response to every thank you would impact those right in their wallet. I am less willing to do something affecting someone else's wallet and this is probably true for many others. You should see our in boxes and IMs from each other when something is not right. There is a great deal of communicating that you do not see and frankly you should not see. It is not sweeping anything under the rug, it is improving the experience for everyone including you. We all have different experiences with hardware and software. The experiences can be first hand or second hand. We all make recommendations based on those experiences. Lastly You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs, since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility. Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own personal issues. If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Tom" wrote in message ... "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... Q. "I have yet to see him (CF) express a reply of gratitude to one who thanked him. A. Not necessary....have you ever sent a thank-you note to someone that already sent one? HUH? That doesn't make sense, but do you ever say "you're welcome", you ingrate? I have never seen it from you yet! Q. "He even doesn't acknowledge his own peers that tell him when he makes these errors". A. Private email does this best and you have no knowledge how I communicate with peers. Poor cop out Carey, I have seen MVPs call you down, before you were an MVP, and you got all ****y about it, instead of just admitting fault when you were wrong. Now that you got the title, you can avoid it. I am sure you don't enjoy being embarassed in private also, so you avoid it altogether, by not addressing it in any venue! Even if you addessed it prviately, and you were called on it, you still make the same rrors, which tells me my last sentence in the previous paragraph seems true. Q. " I think it is very un-MVP like to recommend a registry cleaner/maintenance program..." A. Why? The only one I recommend is System Mechanic, and it's featured in the Windows Catalog. Being that nearly every other MVP in here other than you recommends to others NOT to use registry cleaners, that should be telling in itself. Just because MS approves it (which could be for marketing purposes, rather than a real benefit), doesn't make it safe. Most people don't know what is being cleaned out anyway, and those cleaners can remove stuff that is non-Windows related, that the person NEEDS on their PC. Uninstalling things is the best way. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User -- Tom Not a Microsoft MVP, and certainly not deserving of it based on Rick Rogers standards. Be Smart! Protect your PC! http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ Be Smart, really learn and express your knowledge of Windows, not just link it! Be nice! |
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"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote in message = ... Tom wrote: Not a personal attack, but a view from reality, he doesn't fit the criteria IMHO, if got it, that is fine. snip =20 However, your latest response to Carey belies this statement and = places your real agenda in the light. To what? What I pointed out, I had no other light to shed on the = subject. What I stated is a factual observation, and I pointed out what = he has done before at his request. Note, you do see that light? No = biggie though, birds of a feather flock together. |
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I apologize about stirring up a hornets nest guys. I was just inquiring
about how to become an MVP myself. Thanks for all the replies. -- Best of luck! Michael D. Alligood MCSA, MCP, CCNA, A+, Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI "Michael D. Alligood" wrote in message ... realize that this is not the correct forum for placing this post, however... My question concerning the MVP award is: How does one achieve or get recognized for this award? The MVP FAQs are vague at best. Who nominates an MVP? -- Best of luck! Michael D. Alligood MCSA, MCP, A+, Network+, i-Net+, CIW A, CIW CI |
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message = ... snipped moral code=20 Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own personal issues. No personal issue, if he wants to do what he does, then he should bear = the words of others. I will note that you ignore his personal attacks on = those seeking help. You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs, since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility. Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own personal issues. Apparently there needs to be rules, and less flexibility on who is = selected; ever heard of standards??. While I admit I would in no way = qualify for the role based on my attitude at times, he takes the cake! If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it. No, you have that wrong totally, it is one thing to call names, and not = bolster the claim with it, that is weak, and makes nothing of proof to = the claim. I said what I said, while giving example of real incidents, = at his request. I supported it. Anyway, nuff said already, I am done with this, but not at grilling him = when he make accusatory, or scornful remarks about non-Windows = applications users, or purported pirates. |
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I sometimes think that the biggest problem with using titles is that it
gives the impression, to those who know no better, that the title holder is in someway connected to Microsoft. 99.99% of the time that would be a very incorrect assumption, although why someone might make the assumption is very understandable. For those who don't know, all those titles are obtained by passing Microsoft approved tests (many cost around $100 a go, pass or fail). That's all the certificates indicate, that proficiency in a very specialized range of knowledge that a cert represents was demonstrated by passing one or more tests. But take a person with fresh certs right out of a trade school and put them in a service environment. Say, networking. If the system is working properly then that tech isn't going to have a problem if the scope of the networking classes was really understood. But that same person is probably going to be lost if the system is infected, lost because the expertise required simply is not currently provided in trade training classes with a cert that will show that proficiency exists in the manner needed in a real world service environment. Instead, the flabbergasted tech knows only that it by golly the procedures trained in are indeed supposed to work on a properly operating system, so the only avenue left for the floundering tech is to wipe the HDD and install everything from scratch. Yes, the procedures will then work - but the customer is not a happy camper and will never be back because much effort, and possibly unrecoverable expense, when into the "look and feel" of a system that no longer exists. The point I'm making is that certs are valuable and represent considerable personal financial and determination investments. They each attest to a demonstrated proficiency, and that is something to be highly respected. But they are specialized, and they are related to properly operating systems - not malfunctioning ones and especially not infected ones. Here is where experience is not replaceable and can not be, in practice, represented by a cert. Service is an art. So why do people advertise their certs in such places as newsgroups? Because they have some expertise that probably helps give a better vantage point for diagnostic purposes than the average computer owner or a tech fresh out of a trade school. That doesn't mean a cert holder is of much value outside of the specialized range of knowledge that a cert represents, but it does mean that the range of knowledge represented by a cert is being represented by a professional who has taken the steps to prove it by getting the indicated certification. I'm saying, respect the certs for what they are but don't expect more than what they really represent. Everyone in this forum, advertising certs or not, is trying to help others in this forum that are asking for help. Sometimes there are multiple causes for a problem, sometimes the given solutions are incorrect but often the solution is correct. No one knows it all, but the good ones know how to find possible answers to what they don't know and then the good ones at least try to provide or point to a possible solution based upon experience and/or certs as the case may be. They appreciate a thank you, but it's pretty well understood that the disappearance of a topic after a possible solution was given probably indicates the solution worked and the sufferer is now thankful but very busy getting the computer back to normal and doesn't have time to post a thank you. To not reply to a thank you doesn't seem rude, since the intent to help wasn't intended to be rude either. A thank you is nice but it is not required, and the same goes for saying "thank you for thanking me". |
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If you think Microsoft needs different standards for MVPs, this is not
really the place. Since Microsoft does not officially monitor these peer to peer newsgroups, your ideas are most likely unseen by those who influence this policy. If you have suggestions on this: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=114491 Also... http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...;EN-US;mvpfaqs At the top of FAQ. As far a names, there is no appropriate way to call a person an inappropriate name such as "ingrate" & "twirp", possibly others. There is nothing you said that justifies either of these. However as you use them your credibility drops. -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Tom" wrote in message ... "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message ... You clearly have little grasp of the process used to select MVPs, since there are no hard and fast rules, there is much flexibility. Even though you deny it, you name calling reflects a lot on your own personal issues. Apparently there needs to be rules, and less flexibility on who is selected; ever heard of standards??. While I admit I would in no way qualify for the role based on my attitude at times, he takes the cake! If you feel the need to call Carey or anyone else names to bolster your position, it is clear you are incapable of supporting it. No, you have that wrong totally, it is one thing to call names, and not bolster the claim with it, that is weak, and makes nothing of proof to the claim. I said what I said, while giving example of real incidents, at his request. I supported it. Anyway, nuff said already, I am done with this, but not at grilling him when he make accusatory, or scornful remarks about non-Windows applications users, or purported pirates. |
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Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't
in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this. Greg R |
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"Greg R" wrote in message
... Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this. Greg R That's correct. Microsoft comments on the program at: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/def...EN-US;mvpintro Many do sign in this and other forums with certs only obtainable by passing tests. |
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Correct. There is no test. The MVP award is given by Microsoft for
recognition of the effort given in the prior year, it is not a certification. As I stated earlier in the thread, it is contingent upon accuracy, consistency, and a willingness to help. No specialized training is required other than a will to teach, and to learn. -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone Windows help - www.rickrogers.org "Greg R" wrote in message ... Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this. Greg R |
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Correct. There is no test. The MVP award is given by Microsoft for
recognition of the effort given in the prior year, it is not a certification. As I stated earlier in the thread, it is contingent upon accuracy, consistency, and a willingness to help. No specialized training is required other than a will to teach, and to learn. -- Best of Luck, Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone Windows help - www.rickrogers.org "Greg R" wrote in message ... Wow slow down. You don't have to pass a test (Or a least you didn't in the past) to be an mvp. This was told to my by another mvp. Not Carey. I think it was Gary S. Terhune that told me this. Greg R |
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