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Old December 29th 18, 01:52 PM posted to alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-12-28, Anonymous wrote:
It's systemd. VOMIT!!! DRY HEAVES!!!


Although I dislike systemd, I'll take it over Microsoft's activation hell,
which I am currently embroiled in on a friend's computer that needed to
be reloaded. MS's promise that the Windows 10 "digital license" would be
honored if the OS needed to be reinstalled turns out to be just another
Big Lie.


Help is available with activation issues.

If the user logs in normally with an MSA
to the machine, the phone help can use the MSA
to zero in on the machine needing help.

The server problem that lasted for a couple days
has been fixed, and unless you did something rash,
they've been backfilling the mess they made. What
happened there, is already-activated copies started
throwing up notification dialogs at startup. When
that happens... don't panic. That's what happens
when you insist on a "mainframe architecture" in
the form of activation (single point of failure).

Paul
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Old December 29th 18, 02:00 PM posted to alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-12-29, Paul wrote:
Help is available with activation issues.


Microsoft support was worse than useless.

Also, I reject the very idea that needing 'permission from Microsoft'
(which is what this amounts to) to use one's computer is acceptable in
the first place. Basically with Windows 10 your PC is a terminal on
Microsoft's network which they can do with as they please and decide
at any time to deactivate. I'm not willing to put up with that on my
own equipment.

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Old December 29th 18, 02:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-12-29, mechanic wrote:
Nonsense. According to a later post of yours, the computer in
question has a Win7 licence. Thus installing win10 and expecting it
to be activated is fruitless.


Not when it previously had been upgraded to Windows 10 via Microsoft's
free upgrade offer, numbnuts.

Perhaps you've already forgotten that period of time when Microsoft
was so aggressive about rolling out the new OS that people were even
inadvertantly being upgraded whether they wanted to or not. At the time
we were told that Windows 10 used a digital license locked to the hardware
and stored by Microsoft which would be honored in the event of a reload.

(f/u set)


Right back at you.

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Old December 29th 18, 02:22 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-12-29, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 29/12/2018 09.20, Mike Scott wrote:
On 28/12/2018 22:31, Nomen Nescio wrote:
...
Â*Â*I will not go beyond Windows 7.Â* ....



Unfortunately, some organizations seem to think they don't need to
support anything else. Two come instantly to mind that cause me some
grief. Supply your own company names :-)

Car GPS unit updates require windows - they don't even support vista
now. Fortunately I have an old laptop that sits in the cupboard, but its
time is running out.


My old TomTom device refuses to connect to the computer now. I replaced
the battery this year, did a map update, but now it doesn't connect at
all to the computer, it does not put up the USB interface. I guess they
intentionally bricked it remotely to force people purchase new units.

I considered getting another brand, but they didn't convince me either.

So the new TomTom I got gets updates via WiFi instead, without needing a
computer. And has maps free for life, where life=5 years. That's
probably acceptable, seems cheaper than the previous state.

Its USB is seen by Linux, it is recognized. So maybe in Windows it can
be used for something, but doing updates via WiFI will allow me not to
boot Windows for that. Improvement :-)


IoT is here. And without needing a host like Windows as the middleman
we're all better off. The cloud is the host and the device is now the
node. The devices are getting a lot smarter now.

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Old December 29th 18, 02:42 PM posted to alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-12-29, Paul wrote:
Help is available with activation issues.


Microsoft support was worse than useless.

Also, I reject the very idea that needing 'permission from Microsoft'
(which is what this amounts to) to use one's computer is acceptable in
the first place. Basically with Windows 10 your PC is a terminal on
Microsoft's network which they can do with as they please and decide
at any time to deactivate. I'm not willing to put up with that on my
own equipment.


I have test VMs that continue to run, even though
they are not activated. On this OS, it's a pretty low
bar. (Your access to the personalization panel is
turned off.)

Paul
  #21  
Old December 29th 18, 03:32 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/28/18 10:56, Anonymous wrote:

A tour of elementary OS, perhaps the Linux world’s best hope for the mainstream.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/a-tour-of-elementary-os-perhaps-the-linux-worlds-best-hope-for-the-mainstream/


It's systemd. VOMIT!!! DRY HEAVES!!!


I saw a combination of 2D FLATTY FLAT FLATSO [like win-10-nic] things in
the screenshots, along with some 3D skeuomorphic elements as well, so
I'm slightly interested at least.

If what it does is give people UI CHOICE [unlike Win-10-nic] then I'll
at least slow-clap it.

/me goes back to using mate desktop on FreeBSD and Devuan, with VERY
nice 3D skeuomorphic look, REAL buttons in title bars, colors of my
choice, and so on. And _NO_ systemd.


Yeah, I _REALLY_ *HATE* the 2D FLATTY FLAT FLATSO-ness of so-called
"modern" UIs that look more like a bad clone of windows 1.0 . The FLAT
look is *HORRIBLE*, but you see it EVERWHERE because a bunch of *FOOLS*
at Google, Micro-shaft, and even Apple "like" it, and therefore SHOVE IT
UP OUR ASSES. Ever since Windows 'Ape' (8) we've had to deal with that
CRAP. Fat-finger-friendliness isn't helping. And the web "trend" of
BRIGHT BLUE on BLINDING WHITE (aka Chrome, Apple web sites) is *THE*
*WORST* especially because the 2D FLATTY FLAT FLATSO look on web pages
[and 'The Metro' Settings in Win-10-nic] are HORRIBLE at indicating what
'thing' you need to click on, so you waste time trying to figure it out.

And, it's FLUGLY. AKA 'FLAT+UGLY'. FLUGLY.

So if an OS distribution trends AWAY from 2D FLATTY FLAT FLATSO, I'm at
least interested. And hey, it's Linux.

  #22  
Old December 29th 18, 03:38 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/28/18 19:13, T wrote:
On 12/28/18 10:56 AM, Anonymous wrote:

A tour of elementary OS, perhaps the Linux world’s best hope for
the mainstream.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/a-tour-of-elementary-os-perhaps-the-linux-worlds-best-hope-for-the-mainstream/


It's systemd. VOMIT!!! DRY HEAVES!!!


I had the same reaction when I went from Scientific Linux (RHEL clone)
to Fedora.

Guess what? Once you learn it and get past the cussing phase,
you will adore it. So cowboy up!


no. switch to FreeBSD or Devuan, instead.

"New" and/or "Shiny" does NOT equal "Better" and systemd forced WAY too
many people to re-learn for NO good reason, which is a *WASTE* *OF*
*TIME*. If I spent a lot of time learning how to configure a system
with SysV startup, WHY should _I_ *HAVE* to CHANGE because a bunch of
self-centered MORONS "felt" as if I NEEDED to?

And I say that about a LOT of things "modern" *spit* since 2008-ish.
Change for the sake of change. *NO* !!! If it WORKS, _DO_ _NOT_
_BREAK_ _IT_ I say!!! And that goes TRIPLE for what was done to UIs
through the 2D FLATTY FLAT FLATSO FLUGLY-ness, vs 3D skeuomorphic. It's
not "modern". It's ******.


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  #23  
Old December 29th 18, 05:11 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
My old TomTom device refuses to connect to the computer now. I replaced
the battery this year, did a map update, but now it doesn't connect at
all to the computer, it does not put up the USB interface. I guess they
intentionally bricked it remotely to force people purchase new units.


Toss it. I stopped using mine years ago. Google Maps on my phone does a
better job, easier to set and modify route and route has up to date road
conditions and no subscriptions....

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Old December 29th 18, 05:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Excellent article about Linux

On Sat, 29 Dec 2018 14:10:51 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2018-12-29, mechanic wrote:
Nonsense. According to a later post of yours, the computer in
question has a Win7 licence. Thus installing win10 and expecting it
to be activated is fruitless.


Not when it previously had been upgraded to Windows 10 via Microsoft's
free upgrade offer, numbnuts.

Perhaps you've already forgotten that period of time when Microsoft
was so aggressive about rolling out the new OS that people were even
inadvertantly being upgraded whether they wanted to or not. At the time
we were told that Windows 10 used a digital license locked to the hardware
and stored by Microsoft which would be honored in the event of a reload.


I remember the cunning effort to get Windows users on W10. I tried it
for free for a few days and decided W10 was not for me and so stayed
on W7.

I gave up all UNIX variations and derivatives a long time before
trying Windows. I wrote Machine code and so I took to NT, ASM, C and
C++. How time flies!

Steve

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Old December 29th 18, 05:19 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 29/12/2018 17:11, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
My old TomTom device refuses to connect to the computer now. I replaced
the battery this year, did a map update, but now it doesn't connect at
all to the computer, it does not put up the USB interface. I guess they
intentionally bricked it remotely to force people purchase new units.


Toss it. I stopped using mine years ago. Google Maps on my phone does a
better job, easier to set and modify route and route has up to date road
conditions and no subscriptions....

I have tomtom go on my android phone.


OK iots cost me $100 a year, but thts cheaper than te speed camera
fines, and it has unlimited access to maps. and as long as I remember te
login, its transferrable to another phone.

Sure its insecure as hell. NSA knwos every time I go the the home
improvement store.

Good. stop them bothering someone else.


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contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

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Old December 29th 18, 05:23 PM posted to alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Roger Blake
wrote:

Also, I reject the very idea that needing 'permission from Microsoft'
(which is what this amounts to) to use one's computer is acceptable in
the first place. Basically with Windows 10 your PC is a terminal on
Microsoft's network which they can do with as they please and decide
at any time to deactivate. I'm not willing to put up with that on my
own equipment.


nonsense. win10 works when not connected to any network and microsoft
*cannot* deactivate anyone at random because they feel like it, and
since there is no requirement to be online, there isn't any way they
could even if they wanted to.
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Old December 29th 18, 05:53 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Excellent article about Linux

In comp.os.linux.misc Mike Scott wrote:
On 28/12/2018 22:31, Nomen Nescio wrote:
...
*I will not go beyond Windows 7.* ....



Unfortunately, some organizations seem to think they don't need to
support anything else.


This is all too true.

Two come instantly to mind that cause me some grief. Supply your own
company names :-)

Car GPS unit updates require windows - they don't even support vista
now.


TomTom is one. Their 'updater', which did seemingly nothing beyond
know how to log into their systems, download files, and store files on
the unit (the unit appeared as a thumb drive when attached), was
windows only.

But, a bit over two years ago now they also decided that my unit was
too old to get any more updates, and removed all support for further
updating it.

At which point I switched to OsmAnd https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.osmand.plus/
for car GPS needs.

Fortunately I have an old laptop that sits in the cupboard, but
its time is running out.


TomTom's 'updater' began life running on WinXP. At some point they
'upgraded' something and it then needed a minimum of Win7. I'd not be
surprised that their newest version needed Win10 now.

I strongly suspect there's a breed of programmer that's too lazy (or
just too incompetent) to abstract out the OS interface from their
code.


It is likely more that corporate management does not see any value in
instructing their contract programmers to abstract out the OS interface
from the code. They (management) see MSWin (and sometimes MacOS, but
not always) as the only alternatives they need to spend money
supporting and the programmers are never tasked with supporting
anything else.

But there seems nothing the user can do -- there are no alternatives to
those suppliers.


For at least car GPS purposes there is OsmAnd [1], and it has the benefit
of being driven from OpenStreetMap data so if you do find an issue, you
can quickly just fix it yourself and the next monthly map update for
OsmAnd will usually contain the fix (if the fix was made before their
cutoff for generating new map data files).

[1] There are a few others as well that are driven off of OpenStreetMap
data.
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Old December 29th 18, 06:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2018 14:10:51 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:

On 2018-12-29, mechanic wrote:
Nonsense. According to a later post of yours, the computer in
question has a Win7 licence. Thus installing win10 and expecting
it to be activated is fruitless.


Not when it previously had been upgraded to Windows 10 via
Microsoft's free upgrade offer, numbnuts.


Then the machine with upgraded Win10 will be logged in the
appropriate MSFT server and reactivation is automatic at any
reinstall of the Win10. This argument was all sorted out about five
versions ago (of Win10).
  #29  
Old December 29th 18, 06:49 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-12-29, Peter Kozlov wrote:
IoT is here.


Not in my house it isn't. IoT is a terrible, terrible idea. Hordes
of cheap, poorly-designed internet-connected devices most of which
will never see security updates. What could possibly go wrong?

And without needing a host like Windows as the middleman
we're all better off. The cloud is the host and the device is now the
node. The devices are getting a lot smarter now.


All this "cloud" nonsense is just marketspeak for using someone else's
hardware as a server. A return to the server and terminal computing of
the 1970s.

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Old December 29th 18, 06:53 PM posted to alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-12-29, nospam wrote:
nonsense. win10 works when not connected to any network and microsoft
*cannot* deactivate anyone at random because they feel like it, and
since there is no requirement to be online, there isn't any way they
could even if they wanted to.


The number of Windows 10 installations not connected to the internet
is miniscule. Once you are connected, they have control. Microsoft can
change their activation policy, as well as what happens to non-activated
systems, at any time. As I said, product activation alone is enough to
keep me away from Microsoft products aside from any other considerations.

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