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Excellent article about Linux
On 12/29/18 7:38 AM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 12/28/18 19:13, T wrote: On 12/28/18 10:56 AM, Anonymous wrote: A tour of elementary OS, perhaps the Linux world’s best hope for the mainstream. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/a-tour-of-elementary-os-perhaps-the-linux-worlds-best-hope-for-the-mainstream/ Â*Â* It's systemd.Â* VOMIT!!!Â* DRY HEAVES!!! I had the same reaction when I went from Scientific Linux (RHEL clone) to Fedora. Guess what?Â* Once you learn it and get past the cussing phase, you will adore it.Â* So cowboy up! no.Â* switch to FreeBSD or Devuan, instead. "New" and/or "Shiny" does NOT equal "Better" and systemd forced WAY too many people to re-learn for NO good reason, which is a *WASTE* *OF* *TIME*.Â* If I spent a lot of time learning how to configure a system with SysV startup, WHY should _I_ *HAVE* to CHANGE because a bunch of self-centered MORONS "felt" as if I NEEDED to? And I say that about a LOT of things "modern" *spit* since 2008-ish. Change for the sake of change.Â* *NO* !!!Â* If it WORKS, _DO_ _NOT_ _BREAK_ _IT_ I say!!!Â* And that goes TRIPLE for what was done to UIs through the 2D FLATTY FLAT FLATSO FLUGLY-ness, vs 3D skeuomorphic.Â* It's not "modern".Â* It's ******. It is not broken. It is actually a vast improvement. This is not apparent until you pull all your hair out and learn new works your mom would wash your mouth out with soap over and actually learn the thing. I had to write two of them myself to learn. I swore a lot. Cowboy up! |
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Excellent article about Linux
In article , Peter Kozlov
wrote: Some people like to keep things under their own control and retain a modicum of privacy. nothing about the cloud prevents that. in fact, encryption is often the default. I think SnapChat is encrypted end to end. I don't see the point of being stuck in the past. I welcome and embrace new technologies. If it does something I will benefit from, why wouldn't I want it? exactly. some people are stuck in the past and don't want to change. worse, they base that on incorrect information about how things work. |
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Excellent article about Linux
In article , Peter Kozlov
wrote: or your own hardware, and it's not nonsense. there's a lot of functionality that is not possible any other way. It is markeing nonsense. there is nothing nonsense about it. the cloud provides functionality not otherwise possible. you personally might not be interested, but the rest of the world is. Citation needed. Who are you to make such a declaration? the widespread popularity of many, many different cloud services is ample proof. There are something like 2 billion mobile devices users and I think that's the active number. That's a hell of a lot. yep, and then there are all the laptops and desktops and other systems, all of which are online. facebook has roughly 2.3 billion users and just about everyone has at least one email account. many people have throwaways. nearly all businesses have web sites, and for those that don't, there's usually information to be found online. just about everyone uses the internet in some form or another, except those who live on a remote island. |
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Excellent article about Linux
In article , Carlos E. R.
wrote: As I said, product activation alone is enough to keep me away from Microsoft products aside from any other considerations. then you won't be using computers anymore, since nearly all software today has activation in some form due to rampant piracy. Well, no, that's not totally true. I know you don't like Linux, but as the thread has Linux on the subject line, and I'm replying on a Linux group, I feel entitled to say that there is no activation needed to use or update Linux :-P i like linux for what it's good at, servers. i have six servers, all running linux. linux is not good for a desktop os. mac and windows are vastly more capable, with a much wider selection of software, and generally much, much better quality. Also, I bought an Android tablet some time ago that required no activation or subscription. Yes, it runs Android, but needs no google ID to get updates, albeit not from Google Play. that's the exception, not the rule, and it would be surprising and also undesirable if there was *no* activation at all. one key advantage of being linked to a google or apple id is that a stolen device can be remotely wiped and/or deactivated, leaving the thief with nothing more than something to part out. |
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Excellent article about Linux
In article , Roger Blake
wrote: microsoft *can't* revoke activation because they feel like it. Of course they can. If not due to concious activity, due to bugs in their activation system. no, they can't. the moment microsoft revokes someone's activation because they feel like it is the moment a lawyer gets a phone call. all of the tech blogs and major news outlets will run it as a lead story. it would be suicide for microsoft to even consider it. bugs can happen, but that's an entirely separate issue, unrelated to activation. you complained about iot devices not getting security updates and now you're complaining about microsoft offering security updates. can't have it both ways. On my computer I want control of updates. Microsoft has largely removed the ability to do that. In the Home version you have no control at all. Some limited control in Pro. microsoft, google and others are in a *much* better position to track and manage security exploits and necessary patches than end users. you criticized iot devices as not having any security updates, which can pose a major risk (a valid concern), but yet you want to block security updates on your own systems. that's a contradiction. that's not due to microsoft deciding to deactivate a system. Even if due to deficiencies in their activation system it is completely unacceptable. nothing is perfect and sometimes things don't work as expected. Then an activation system that can lock the user out of his or her own computer is not acceptable. most of the time it's due to the user doing something wrong or their system is misconfigured and refusing to accept responsibility. less often, it's buggy software. An activation system that can lock the user out of his or her own computer is not acceptable. except that the activation system doesn't do that. users often lock themselves out, usually by forgetting their password or ****ing up some access policy. that's not microsoft's fault. there is no conspiracy to control what users do. I didn't say there was a conspiracy. you're going on as if there is one. you're claiming that microsoft and other companies have control they don't actually have, such as remotely enabling or disabling computers and apps, which has all the makings of a conspiracy. then you won't be using computers anymore, since nearly all software today has activation in some form due to rampant piracy. Not FOSS. None of the software that I use requires activation. that's not representative of the industry and you know it. Oh, how many web servers run Apache on top of Linux? You said NEARLY ALL SOFTWARE TODAY has activation in some form. You are lying. There are thousands of FOSS operating systems and applications used throughout the industry and you know it. you know quite well it meant end user software (ms office, photoshop, etc.), not apache or other server software. only server admins deal with apache, not the masses, and some server software *does* require activation. that would be you. No, that would be you. You continue lying through your teeth. nope, and resorting to ad hominems means you're grasping. mainstream software, the stuff that people actually use to do real You are lying once again. You did not say "mainstream software" - you said "NEARLY ALL SOFTWARE TODAY." You of course have been caught in a blatant lie, so you move the goalposts. nope. you are trying to weasel out of not understanding what was written. As I said, NONE of the software that I use requires activation. yippie for you, but you're not representative of the entire industry. microsoft office and adobe photoshop, two of the most widely used apps on the planet (and most widely pirated) *do* require activation. countless other apps do as well. i didn't say smartphone, but regardless, activation is required to use them and other products. You are conflating subscribing to a service with activating a piece of software running on a device that you own. Lies, lies, and more lies. nope. smartphones need to be activated even without cellular service to be used as a portable wifi-only computer, music player, etc. tablets might not even have a cellular radio, but also require activation. |
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Excellent article about Linux
In article , Roger Blake
wrote: your loss. they're very capable devices that can do all sorts of things that were once considered impossible. I don't see it as a loss. Nothing they provide is worth the tracking and surveillance aspects. There is nothing a smartphone can do that I need or want. the 'tracking and surveillance' can be disabled, and it doesn't do what you think it does. the entire concept is ludicrous. it's tinfoil hat material. As in Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty Four" it may not be listening all the time, but you don't know when or where it might be. now you're backpedaling about the listening all the time. you conveniently snipped it, so here it is again, because it's *so* detached from reality that it needs to be repeated: In article , Roger Blake wrote: I'm not interested in having a device that listens to everything around it and uploads it. seriously, wtf. At a minimum it has to be listening for keywords to activate the AI functions and you don't really know when or where it may be doing more. keyword detection is done locally, but if that bothers you, it can be disabled, as can the assistant entirely. Devices such as Alexa and Google Home don't even have the battery concern. but they do have the bandwidth concern, and people have sniffed it and found nothing. they are also not smartphones. you're moving the goalposts. smartphones do a wide range of things. they're a computer that fits in a pocket. an amazon echo is basically a voice assistant, which is far more limited than a phone, although better at being an assistant. different devices optimized for different tasks. Then of course there is the GPS function that tracks everywhere you go. it doesn't, but again, if that bothers you, location services can be disabled, either on a per-app basis or globally, and change that at any time for any reason. the downside is that some apps might not work well (or at all), but that's the tradeoff each person makes for themselves and the apps they choose to use. and keep in mind that the cell carrier knows everywhere you go based on cell tower pings, even if you have a 'dumb phone' that does not have a gps. surveillance cameras are also common, both for businesses and residential. in china, they're using facial recognition to identify jaywalkers, no phone required. (How else is Siri going to recommend restaurants that are near you?) 'near you' doesn't require any tracking. it only needs to know where you are *right* *now*, and the siri request is anonymous anyway. if you don't want siri (or any other app) to know where you are right now or at any other time, then disable location services for specific apps or systemwide. as i said, some apps might not work properly with location off, but that's up to each user to decide. and with location services disabled, you can still get restaurant recommendations, weather, etc. for a particular location simply by specifying the location, e.g., "what's the weather in los angeles?" or "what time is it in london?" You might want to look up a guy named Ed Snowden if you believe that being concerned about mass surveillance is merely "tinfoil hat material." i'm quite familiar with ed snowden. i'm also quite familiar with how mobile devices actually work, not how the fear mongers think they work. the cloud is much more than 'just a collection of servers'. It is not. I've been working in technology for over 40 years and the internet for over 35 years. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... guess what, it's a duck. not all ducks are the same, nor are duck recipes. in other words, what matters is what the server actually *does* for the user, which is a very wide range of things. there is no single 'cloud service'. another thing you're missing is it being always-on, which is a game changer. gone are the days of dial-up and modems, and back in the '70s, those were often acoustic. it's more reliable than anything you could possibly do with your own system, unless you have a similar budget as they do, which is extremely unlikely. Nonsense. It is not difficult to implement one's own effective backup regimen. not at the level of a cloud backup service, whose entire business model is data reliability. such services can't afford to lose data, otherwise they go out of business. for example: https://aws.amazon.com/s3/faqs/#How_durable_is_Amazon_S3 Amazon S3 Standard, S3 Standard*IA, S3 One Zone-IA, and S3 Glacier are all designed to provide 99.999999999% durability of objects over a given year. This durability level corresponds to an average annual expected loss of 0.000000001% of objects. For example, if you store 10,000,000 objects with Amazon S3, you can on average expect to incur a loss of a single object once every 10,000 years. In addition, Amazon S3 Standard, S3 Standard-IA, and S3 Glacier are all designed to sustain data in the event of an entire S3 Availability Zone loss. nothing a home user could possibly do can come anywhere close to that. and if a home user *did* want offsite backups, either they shuttle drives back and forth (a pain, so it won't be done often enough), or they'd that thing called 'the cloud'... If you think no one has ever lost anything in "thuh cloud" you're delusionary. Start with the people who lost their stuff with due to a bug in the Windows 10 1809 update. the win10 1809 data loss bug was not a cloud issue and most people were not affected anyway. of those who were, only those without backups lost data. in fact, those who *did* have cloud backups were likely the ones with the most up to date backups. you weren't streaming music or video in the 1970s, locally or the cloud. That is irrelevent. From an architectural standpoint it is the same type of client-server concept. You have a local device whose limitaions require computing power and storage at a remote location. The actual application does not change the fundamental concept, nor does it change simply because you are using a smartphone with "thuh cloud" instead of a terminal connecting to a remote mainframe. it's not irrelevant at all. there's a *huge* difference between an always-on device with a several hundred wireless megabit link and fits in a pocket, versus a dumb 24x80 text-only terminal with dial-up using 300 baud acoustic modem. what can be done today is nothing short of amazing. also, the remote system might be *less* capable than the local one. consider a high end workstation with multiple gpus connecting to a lowly file server to back up the final version of the project. missing the point entirely. I would say you do not even have a point. then you'd be wrong on that too. nothing about the cloud prevents that. When processing and storage is taking place on someone else's servers (which once again is all that "thuh cloud" really is), then you effectively do not have control. You really have no idea where your data is being stored, who will have access to it under what conditions, or even if you will have access to it in the future. not true. again, the cloud can be a lot of things, including being hosted on one's own equipment, not someone else's servers. local or remote, always encrypt anything for which you want to limit access. not using the cloud will not stop someone from examining a local hard drive. |
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Excellent article about Linux
On 2018-12-29, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E. R. wrote: As I said, product activation alone is enough to keep me away from Microsoft products aside from any other considerations. then you won't be using computers anymore, since nearly all software today has activation in some form due to rampant piracy. Well, no, that's not totally true. I know you don't like Linux, but as the thread has Linux on the subject line, and I'm replying on a Linux group, I feel entitled to say that there is no activation needed to use or update Linux :-P i like linux for what it's good at, servers. i have six servers, all running linux. Linux is crushing it on the server side. linux is not good for a desktop os. mac and windows are vastly more capable, with a much wider selection of software, and generally much, much better quality. The Mac and certainly Windows could learn a thing or two from Linux. Linux is versatile. You have your choice of desktop environments and total control over the file systems. Apple on the other hand has the cash and the resources to build custom hardware and advance their ideas into products. They have the retail footprint to reach the masses. The iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch are all testaments of these capabilities. Once Apple decides they are no longer interested in something, think Aperture, it just gets killed and that's a shame. Also, I bought an Android tablet some time ago that required no activation or subscription. Yes, it runs Android, but needs no google ID to get updates, albeit not from Google Play. that's the exception, not the rule, and it would be surprising and also undesirable if there was *no* activation at all. one key advantage of being linked to a google or apple id is that a stolen device can be remotely wiped and/or deactivated, leaving the thief with nothing more than something to part out. Google is crushing it for services. Siri isn't even close to Google's assistant. Apple needs to step up their game. Google's presentation and Io with the AI making an appointment for the user was jaw dropping amazing. Huawei has under the screen finger print scanning. I like touch id more so that face id. -- Peter Kozlov |
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Excellent article about Linux
On 29/12/2018 17:37, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-12-29 03:20, Mike Scott wrote: On 28/12/2018 22:31, Nomen Nescio wrote: ... Â*Â*I will not go beyond Windows 7.Â* .... Unfortunately, some organizations seem to think they don't need to support anything else. Two come instantly to mind that cause me some grief. Supply your own company names :-) Car GPS unit updates require windows - they don't even support vista now. Fortunately I have an old laptop that sits in the cupboard, but its time is running out. Music score electronic downloads. (Linux? Tough! That was the attitude when I complained). The first I could sort-of understand. The second, just laziness or maybe management ignorance. I strongly suspect there's a breed of programmer that's too lazy (or just too incompetent) to abstract out the OS interface from their code. Seems to me that you expect a lot from the epopel who develop the free stuff. Who said anything about "free"? Both are paid-for services. Both suffer from blinkered design decisions and/or bad implementation. But there seems nothing the user can do -- there are no alternatives to those suppliers. There are alternatives, such as rolling your own (which you can do with Linux, if you have the skills). At one time, everything was an I have the skills, or can acquire them - I don't have the time to reinvent every wheel that someone elsewhere has made something other than round. -- Mike Scott Harlow, England |
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Excellent article about Linux
On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 01:01:33 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote: At a minimum it has to be listening for keywords to activate the AI functions and you don't really know when or where it may be doing more. More people should use them: https://safety.google/privacy/privacy-controls/ |
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Excellent article about Linux
On 29/12/2018 19:06, Peter Kozlov wrote:
If you have an Android phone and you take photos, those photos upload to Google and your storage on the local device is not hampered by the storage limitations of you local device. No, they dont. Google's excellent AI is the result of cloud computing analysis which is far greater than the mobile device itself. When someone sends you mail, the cloud routes it all and places it in your inbox. The next time your device polls for new email, you then retrieve it. No, it doesn't. On my iPhone, I have access to 50 million songs. I don't have to store them all. I just have access to them all. I use YouTube Music. When I like a song others are suggested and in general it's good at picking songs I will like. That's a benefit of could computing. 'could' computing? 'could' be secure I guess.. When I request an Uber, the cloud calculates all the drivers near me and the destination I have. It then finds me a driver suitable for my destination. And this is international. That's the cloud. It's not just the server client model of yesterday. We have cloud based file systems and work units that span many machines into clusters. Cloud is much more advanced technology. Now small devices, the IoT, have lightweight operating systems of their own. Devices that used to require a PC as sync point are going away if not already gone. Now the device itself is capable of syncing with the cloud. My iPhone is a good example of this. It has a direct relationship with YouTube Music. The videos I like are downloaded directly from the iPhone from YouTube. I no longer need a client, like a Mac or Windows. I can be a Linux user and still enjoy the benefits of the iPhone or Android as a separate issue. You can call this market speak if you like. I say you're wrong about that, but I don't see that at matters at all anyway. It's a benefit offered to everyone. If you're excited about this opportunity and wish to downplay it, that's your choice. I like "cloud" computing. You are just fundanentally a lazy **** whio is happy to let bad programmers ru(i)n your life. Your choice. -- Peter Kozlov -- "The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." - Leo Tolstoy |
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Excellent article about Linux
On 30/12/2018 01:04, Roger Blake wrote:
I have no need or desire for any of the things you describe. Apple : the company that constantly tells me of things I never knew I didn’t want to buy off them. -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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Excellent article about Linux
On 30/12/2018 05:10, nospam wrote:
some people are stuck in the past and don't want to change. worse, they base that on incorrect information about how things work. Some people are stuck in 'progress' and need to change all the time needlessly. worse, they base that on incorrect information about how things work. -- Truth welcomes investigation because truth knows investigation will lead to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques. |
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Excellent article about Linux
In article , Peter Kozlov
wrote: As I said, product activation alone is enough to keep me away from Microsoft products aside from any other considerations. then you won't be using computers anymore, since nearly all software today has activation in some form due to rampant piracy. Well, no, that's not totally true. I know you don't like Linux, but as the thread has Linux on the subject line, and I'm replying on a Linux group, I feel entitled to say that there is no activation needed to use or update Linux :-P i like linux for what it's good at, servers. i have six servers, all running linux. Linux is crushing it on the server side. yep, as well as embedded devices, such as routers and iot devices, although those mostly aren't what one would consider a linux box. it's not like someone is going to install libre office on a thermostat even though the thermostat runs linux. linux is not good for a desktop os. mac and windows are vastly more capable, with a much wider selection of software, and generally much, much better quality. The Mac and certainly Windows could learn a thing or two from Linux. Linux is versatile. they're all versatile, but in different ways. no single product is ideal for every task. choose the best tool for the job. You have your choice of desktop environments and total control over the file systems. there's full control over the file system, however, system files have restrictions for security (which can be overridden when needed), just like on linux. Apple on the other hand has the cash and the resources to build custom hardware and advance their ideas into products. and that's exactly what they're doing, including designing arm-based processors for ios devices and assorted other chips in many other products. they have more than 10,000 employees doing chip design. they're also doing something in the automotive space, but exactly what nobody knows, other than those directly involved and they ain't talking (and probably don't know the full scope themselves either). They have the retail footprint to reach the masses. The iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch are all testaments of these capabilities. Once Apple decides they are no longer interested in something, think Aperture, it just gets killed and that's a shame. it's not that apple wasn't interested in aperture, but rather not enough users were. aperture didn't sell in sufficient numbers. products that don't sell well are eventually discontinued. there's no point in putting resources into something that isn't generating revenue to support it. lightroom won that race for a variety of reasons, including having very tight integration with photoshop and being faster than aperture, although aperture's speed did improve in later versions. Also, I bought an Android tablet some time ago that required no activation or subscription. Yes, it runs Android, but needs no google ID to get updates, albeit not from Google Play. that's the exception, not the rule, and it would be surprising and also undesirable if there was *no* activation at all. one key advantage of being linked to a google or apple id is that a stolen device can be remotely wiped and/or deactivated, leaving the thief with nothing more than something to part out. Google is crushing it for services. Siri isn't even close to Google's assistant. Apple needs to step up their game. Google's presentation and Io with the AI making an appointment for the user was jaw dropping amazing. it was (although somewhat canned), but that's a very different product than google assistant, siri, cortana, alexa, etc. Huawei has under the screen finger print scanning. I like touch id more so that face id. fingerprint scanning through the display is not that fast and not that accurate either. apple's face id is more secure than a fingerprint sensor and very convenient in winter months when people are wearing gloves. unfortunately, face unlock on other phones is not very good. samsung's can be spoofed with a selfie taken on another phone, something which was demoed minutes after it was announced, in the hands-on area. |
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Excellent article about Linux
Roger Blake wrote:
On 2018-12-29, nospam wrote: then you won't be using computers anymore, since nearly all software today has activation in some form due to rampant piracy. Not FOSS. None of the software that I use requires activation. Now who is spreading falsehoods? I kinda want to write something now that has an "activation" code. "Please email '..." // autoresponse "glad you grabbed the software, the passcode is 12345. Source here (link)". I'm bad at programming though, so whatever it is would probably be useless . -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user #585947 |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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Excellent article about Linux
In article , Wolf K
wrote: Linux is crushing it on the server side. yep, as well as embedded devices, such as routers and iot devices, although those mostly aren't what one would consider a linux box. it's not like someone is going to install libre office on a thermostat even though the thermostat runs linux AIUI, these embedded versions of Linux are basically kernel plus custom code. IOW, you'd have to add code to run anything other than thermostat control. yep (although it varies as to how much), which is why an embedded device that uses linux is very different than a linux box on someone's desk or in a server closet. |
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