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On 3/13/2014 12:52 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

BillW50 writes:

If you start to burn bridges as you go, you won't stay in business long.

Nor will you, if you continue to maintain the bridges long after the
tolls have stopped being collected.

I doubt Microsoft will ever make the "mistake" of supporting any future
O/S for the same length of time they've supported XP.

I think you are right. But I know companies that they wished they
created such a product to last so long (and it is far from dead yet).
After all, support is peanuts compared to continually selling licenses
for the old product. And Microsoft did continue to sell licenses for
Windows 3.1 until November 1, 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1

--
Bill
Dell Latitude Slate Tablet 128GB SSD ('12 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Intel Atom Z670 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Pro

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:07:09 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

Yes, but I have a totally different view of security patches. As I
believe that Microsoft and some of us knows that patching the OS to
maintain security is the hopeless way to do so. As the best way is to
use an antivirus real time scanner to scan anything coming in on any
port. This is far better than plugging security holes.

I think Microsoft only offers security patches to give users that warm
and fuzzy feeling. I don't know how much it costs Microsoft to maintain
the team to create security patches, but it must be a very small part of
the budget. I am sure Microsoft's bank of lawyers are far more costly to
maintain.

Those two paragraphs, above, are one of the reasons why people make fun of
you.

Ah... but if you abandon support, it becomes abandonware. That means the
door is opened for anybody to come along and support it. Now this third
party will be cashing in on the money Microsoft would have gained.

Nothing could be further from the truth. When Microsoft stops supporting an
OS, it does not become abandonware and it absolutely does not mean that the
door is opened for someone else to come along and support it. I don't know
where you got any of that. I assume you simply made it up.

On 3/14/2014, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
Anybody still creating new software that runs under XP are
supporting it IMHO. And once a company drops support, it is now
fair game as far as I am concern. If the damn lawyers don't like
it, then support it themselves. ;-)

Ah, that's a very narrow interpretation of "support"! I think most
people would say support means continue producing extras, or at least
bugfixes, for it.

Add me to your list.

I'd also add the ability to get help solving a problem by phone or
e-mail, if it's been available in the past for that product, whether
free or paid...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On 3/14/2014, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
Anybody still creating new software that runs under XP are supporting
it IMHO. And once a company drops support, it is now fair game as
far as I am concern. If the damn lawyers don't like it, then support
it themselves. ;-)

Ah, that's a very narrow interpretation of "support"! I think most
people would say support means continue producing extras, or at least
bugfixes, for it.

Add me to your list.

I'd also add the ability to get help solving a problem by phone or
e-mail, if it's been available in the past for that product, whether
free or paid...

I was wondering whether to add that too, but thought I'd keep it short.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you bate your breath do you catch a lung fish? (Glynn Greenwood 1996-8-23.)

On 3/14/2014, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On 3/14/2014, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
Anybody still creating new software that runs under XP are
supporting it IMHO. And once a company drops support, it is now
fair game as far as I am concern. If the damn lawyers don't like
it, then support it themselves. ;-)

Ah, that's a very narrow interpretation of "support"! I think most
people would say support means continue producing extras, or at
least bugfixes, for it.

Add me to your list.

I'd also add the ability to get help solving a problem by phone or
e-mail, if it's been available in the past for that product,
whether free or paid...

I was wondering whether to add that too, but thought I'd keep it
short.

And I was wondering whether to add it to my reply, and I chose not to
keep it sort :-)

Let's start a long subthread on keeping the posts short ;-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Blue
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
No, they're not (as a business) stupid. They're stopping support for an
ancient product, for which they're getting negligible income and for
which the support must be costing them money, in favour of new versions
that people have to buy: as a business, which they are, that's not
stupid.

They stand to lose some reputation cred if millions of Windows
machines get compromised.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic..._Microsoft_ris
ks_security_reputation_ruin_by_retiring_XP

Well, they've been warning users for long enough that I don't see why
the world should blame Microsoft when/if that happens.

Blame isn't always logical.


Really; I'm an XP user of the "cold dead hands" variety, but I don't
expect MS to continue support for it indefinitely. I'd _like_ them to,
but I don't _expect_ them to, in today's world.

I prefer both 7 and 8 over XP.

--
Blue

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , BillW50 writes:

Anybody still creating new software that runs under XP are supporting
it IMHO. And once a company drops support, it is now fair game as far
as I am concern. If the damn lawyers don't like it, then support it
themselves. ;-)

Ah, that's a very narrow interpretation of "support"! I think most
people would say support means continue producing extras, or at least
bugfixes, for it.
[

It's easy to overlook that support for consumer base is primarily the
OEM responsibility for the operating system (pre-built pcs) and devices
and third party software manufacturers(latter two designed for a
respective o/s). Their game is the same, limit the number of supported
operating systems, devices and software versions in order to provide the
ability to remove support and warranty accrual costs off their budget
thereby improving their private or public balance sheet.

Microsoft is no different. The business model is moving toward
supporting 2 o/s versions (current and past version with their multiple
editions) vs. the current five versionis(four when XP ends) - Win8.1,
8.0, 7, and Vista..In the foreseeable future Vista (black sheep) and 8.0
(mandatory upgrade to 8.1 required) will drop out. Like the OEM above,
the same game reduce any burden, expense and accrual costs.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 2014-03-15, ...winston‫ wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , BillW50 writes:

Anybody still creating new software that runs under XP are supporting
it IMHO. And once a company drops support, it is now fair game as far
as I am concern. If the damn lawyers don't like it, then support it
themselves. ;-)

Ah, that's a very narrow interpretation of "support"! I think most
people would say support means continue producing extras, or at least
bugfixes, for it.
[

It's easy to overlook that support for consumer base is primarily the
OEM responsibility for the operating system (pre-built pcs) and devices
and third party software manufacturers(latter two designed for a
respective o/s). Their game is the same, limit the number of supported
operating systems, devices and software versions in order to provide the
ability to remove support and warranty accrual costs off their budget
thereby improving their private or public balance sheet.

Microsoft is no different. The business model is moving toward
supporting 2 o/s versions (current and past version with their multiple
editions) vs. the current five versionis(four when XP ends) - Win8.1,
8.0, 7, and Vista..In the foreseeable future Vista (black sheep) and 8.0
(mandatory upgrade to 8.1 required) will drop out. Like the OEM above,
the same game reduce any burden, expense and accrual costs.


The 5 OS support model is their own fault.
They pushed that crappy Vista, then dumped it (on certain users, anyhow).
Then 7, then 8 soon followed with a craptacular GUI spoogefest.

So, you're saying to get out of warranting ****ty OSes, they should release them
more often, without any "real" benefit to the consumer?

I hope Xbox is doing well.

Too bad one can't just use Linux.
Seems a good way to avoid all that "the toolbar is a different colour therefore
a new OS".

Yuck.

--
"You got carried away.
The game was too elaborate.
You were enjoying yourself too much"

In ,
Blue typed:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Really; I'm an XP user of the "cold dead hands" variety, but I don't
expect MS to continue support for it indefinitely. I'd _like_ them
to, but I don't _expect_ them to, in today's world.

I prefer both 7 and 8 over XP.

Most users who prefers to have their hand held, generally prefers
Windows 7/8. That is what those OS are designed for.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

Blue wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I'm an XP user of the "cold dead hands" variety

I prefer both 7 and 8 over XP.

I think my decreasing order of preference would be

Win7
Win8 with Start8
WinXP
Win2K
Win8 without Start8

BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Blue typed:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Really; I'm an XP user of the "cold dead hands" variety, but I don't
expect MS to continue support for it indefinitely. I'd _like_ them
to, but I don't _expect_ them to, in today's world.

I prefer both 7 and 8 over XP.

Most users who prefers to have their hand held,

Patronizing much?

generally prefers
Windows 7/8. That is what those OS are designed for.


I used XP for many years and still do for old games.

--
Blue

"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Blue typed:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Really; I'm an XP user of the "cold dead hands" variety, but I don't
expect MS to continue support for it indefinitely. I'd _like_ them
to, but I don't _expect_ them to, in today's world.

I prefer both 7 and 8 over XP.

I prefer any version of Windows (95, 98, 2000, Vista, 7) over Windows 8
which is just plain weird. As a phone/tablet OS, its user-interface probably
makes sense, but the UI is idiotic for a proper desktop/laptop computer.

What does "cold dead hands" mean?

Hi, NY.

What does "cold dead hands" mean?

When the late Charlton Heston was speaking to the National Rifle Association
about proposed legal restrictions on owning guns in the USA, he defiantly
proclaimed that, "If they want to take MY gun, they'll have to pry it from
my cold, dead hands!"

He wasn't the first to use that expression, but that was probably the
best-known instance.

Does your user name have anything to do with New York?

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3522.0110) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"NY" wrote in message
o.uk...

"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Blue typed:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Really; I'm an XP user of the "cold dead hands" variety, but I don't
expect MS to continue support for it indefinitely. I'd _like_ them
to, but I don't _expect_ them to, in today's world.

I prefer both 7 and 8 over XP.

I prefer any version of Windows (95, 98, 2000, Vista, 7) over Windows 8
which is just plain weird. As a phone/tablet OS, its user-interface probably
makes sense, but the UI is idiotic for a proper desktop/laptop computer.

What does "cold dead hands" mean?

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014 14:01:28 -0000, "NY" wrote:
"Blue" wrote in message
...
BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Blue typed:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Really; I'm an XP user of the "cold dead hands" variety, but I
don't
expect MS to continue support for it indefinitely. I'd _like_
them
to, but I don't _expect_ them to, in today's world.

I prefer both 7 and 8 over XP.

I prefer any version of Windows (95, 98, 2000, Vista, 7) over
Windows 8
which is just plain weird. As a phone/tablet OS, its user-interface
probably
makes sense, but the UI is idiotic for a proper desktop/laptop
computer.

I actually prefer Metro, iPhone, Android, etc. with a keyboard and
mouse.

What does "cold dead hands" mean?

It means you can have it when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

--
Bill
Groundhog Usenet Reader v1.20.3
iRulu Android v4.2.2 - 1.2GHz 512MB

In o.uk,
Andy Burns typed on Wed, 19 Mar 2014 08:12:41 +0000:
Blue wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I'm an XP user of the "cold dead hands" variety

I prefer both 7 and 8 over XP.

I think my decreasing order of preference would be

Win7
Win8 with Start8
WinXP
Win2K
Win8 without Start8

Mine is like this:

XP SP2
XP SP3
Win8 with/without Start8
Win7
Win2K
Linux
Android

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2