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#1
November 23rd 16, 11:13 AM
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"voluntary data theft"
Does it make sense or not?  
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November 23rd 16, 03:57 PM
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On 11/23/16 4:13 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: Does it make sense or not? It might in the right context. For instance, if a person's computer is taken over by malware that uses it to steal data somewhere, that might be an example of involuntary data theft by the person. If the creator of the malware got the data, they might have committed voluntary data theft. But I'm just guessing. I won't be able to tell without the context, and maybe not even then. -- Jerry Friedman
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November 25th 16, 08:52 AM
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On 24/11/2016 8:19 PM, K Wills wrote:
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 19:13:00 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote: Does it make sense or not? I have yet to see any posts from you that actually make sense. Talking about the privacy issues in Window$ 10! 
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November 25th 16, 09:15 AM
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On 23/11/2016 11:57 PM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
It might in the right context. For instance, if a person's computer is taken over by malware that uses it to steal data somewhere, that might be an example of involuntary data theft by the person. If the creator of the malware got the data, they might have committed voluntary data theft. But I'm just guessing. I won't be able to tell without the context, and maybe not even then. Could you sign a blank piece paper, with content created afterwards? Would it be your will? Should it be your responsibility?
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November 25th 16, 01:08 PM
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"voluntary data theft"
On 25/11/2016 8:22 PM, K Wills wrote:
Talking about the privacy issues in Window$ 10! You made no mention of that before. If it is voluntary, it can't be theft. As such, your not posting anything that actually makes sense still stands. Define "voluntary" then? If one didn't bother to read *ALL THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS" to save time and click yes, is it voluntary?
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November 25th 16, 01:10 PM
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On 25/11/2016 8:22 PM, K Wills wrote:
You made no mention of that before. If it is voluntary, it can't be theft. As such, your not posting anything that actually makes sense still stands. And if Micro$oft changed the terms and conditions *AFTER* the *signing ceremony*, was it voluntary? And does US Government have jurisdiction to enforce Micro$oft customers agreements in *OTHER* countries?
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November 25th 16, 02:39 PM
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:08:02 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote: On 25/11/2016 8:22 PM, K Wills wrote: Talking about the privacy issues in Window$ 10! You made no mention of that before. If it is voluntary, it can't be theft. As such, your not posting anything that actually makes sense still stands. Define "voluntary" then? If one didn't bother to read *ALL THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS" to save time and click yes, is it voluntary? Yes, of course, but then it isn't theft if you AGREE to hand over all your data. If someone asks you if he can have some of your candy and you say "Yes" and hand it over, he didn't steal it. Ask your teacher for easier homework. This one is obviously way over your "capabilities". []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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November 25th 16, 02:44 PM
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:10:42 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote: On 25/11/2016 8:22 PM, K Wills wrote: You made no mention of that before. If it is voluntary, it can't be theft. As such, your not posting anything that actually makes sense still stands. And if Micro$oft changed the terms and conditions *AFTER* the *signing ceremony*, was it voluntary? If the original TOS (the one you admit you agreed to) said they could change it, of course it was. And does US Government have jurisdiction to enforce Micro$oft customers agreements in *OTHER* countries? No, there are local laws for that. I'm sure the Judges in China would rule in favor of Microsoft if you told M$, YES, they could have all your personal data. Read the fscking TOS. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012
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November 25th 16, 02:53 PM
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On 25/11/2016 10:44 PM, Shadow wrote:
And if Micro$oft changed the terms and conditions *AFTER* the *signing ceremony*, was it voluntary? If the original TOS (the one you admit you agreed to) said they could change it, of course it was. Then what's the point of reading and signing the "document"? It's just a moving picture, no guarantee nor promises! No, there are local laws for that. I'm sure the Judges in China would rule in favor of Microsoft if you told M$, YES, they could have all your personal data. Read the fscking TOS. BANG! BANG! BANG!
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November 25th 16, 02:54 PM
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"voluntary data theft"
On 25/11/2016 10:39 PM, Shadow wrote:
Define "voluntary" then? If one didn't bother to read *ALL THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS" to save time and click yes, is it voluntary? Yes, of course, but then it isn't theft if you AGREE to hand over all your data. If someone asks you if he can have some of your candy and you say "Yes" and hand it over, he didn't steal it. Ask your teacher for easier homework. This one is obviously way over your "capabilities". I would say Micro$oft would be forging evidences and told lies.
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November 25th 16, 03:13 PM
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On 25/11/16 14:53, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 25/11/2016 10:44 PM, Shadow wrote: And if Micro$oft changed the terms and conditions *AFTER* the *signing ceremony*, was it voluntary? If the original TOS (the one you admit you agreed to) said they could change it, of course it was. Then what's the point of reading and signing the "document"? It's just a moving picture, no guarantee nor promises! No point at all. So don't sign it, and don't use the software. There are many alternatives. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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November 25th 16, 03:36 PM
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On 25/11/2016 11:13 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
Then what's the point of reading and signing the "document"? It's just a moving picture, no guarantee nor promises! No point at all. So don't sign it, and don't use the software. There are many alternatives. But there is no other Micro$oft operating systems.
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November 25th 16, 03:38 PM
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On 25/11/16 15:36, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 25/11/2016 11:13 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: Then what's the point of reading and signing the "document"? It's just a moving picture, no guarantee nor promises! No point at all. So don't sign it, and don't use the software. There are many alternatives. But there is no other Micro$oft operating systems. Then use one of the many alternatives. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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November 25th 16, 04:10 PM
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On 25/11/2016 11:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
But there is no other Micro$oft operating systems. Then use one of the many alternatives. I repeat: there is no other Microsoft operating system!
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November 25th 16, 05:05 PM
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On 25/11/16 16:10, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 25/11/2016 11:38 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote: But there is no other Micro$oft operating systems. Then use one of the many alternatives. I repeat: there is no other Microsoft operating system! Indeed. But I repeat: there are alternatives to Microsoft. Here is a non-exclusive list of some of those alternatives. BSD FreeBSD Linux (in any of a great variety of flavours) NetBSD Oberon OpenBEOS OpenBSD Plan 9 QNX ReactOS As far as I'm aware, none of these require you to agree to "these conditions, and any others that we decide to add in the future without consulting you". If you are determined to use a Microsoft OS, you are stuck with their sucky licence agreement. Your problem. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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