Cloned disk

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

"Varouj" wrote in message
...
I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?

Yes (in most PCs) via the BIOS. One of its menus ought
to allow you to choose (in your preferred order) several
drives, SATA, PATA or USB.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis I cannot
boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA Varouj

I think it may be dependent on the type of PC. On my Dell I had a failing
HD, so I restored an image to a smaller drive. I use partitioning so the
system C drive was same size.
When I go the new drive I restored to that and got the system running. I
did not encounter any type of problem, windows just booted in each case.
Note the macrium image contains the three system partitions Dell comes
with.

Once the system was up and running, I hooked up the the smaller drive with
identical C and Dell partitions using external SATA cables. The system
doesn't boot to that external when selected in boot menu (F12 on a Dell).
It just boots to the internal drive.

I don't know why this is, but it must have something to do with Windows
validation. I never was questioned when changing the HD and assume there
is something in the boot process that checks the legality of what is being
booted.

Charles Lindbergh wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:00:07 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Charles Lindbergh a pensé très fort :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj
wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj
A. Did you clone the entire drive, including the MBR, boot partition and "C"
partition or did you only clone the "C" partition?

B. Are you familiar with the procedure to boot your specific machine from the
external drive?
I cloned the entire drive.
I have a Dell and it has three partitions.
To boot from the external drive , I chose it from F12, boot options,
and I put the drive first in the list of drives.
The computer goes to the drive, tries to boot but then stops.
I do not understand why.

I assume it is a USB drive. I have encountered something similar in the past. I
would connect the drive to a different USB port and I would also disconnect any
other USB storage devices, including printers that accommodate memory cards.

Let me know what happens.

USB booting requires "BootBusExtender" changes. That is,
unless Microsoft makes an OS, where the USB bus is set up
before the OS starts the whole boot process.

This site, never explains anything in detail, so about
all it contributes is keywords. You will find plenty
of leads here, but no actual useful solutions. When
I've tried to use the contents of this site in the past,
all I got was "sore fingers from typing" :-)

http://reboot.pro/topic/14186-usb-hd...windows-7-sp1/

Paul

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

Not all computers can boot from a USB drive.

Replace the internal drive by the clone.

Or connect the clone via an eSATA cable.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Charles Lindbergh a pensé très fort :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj
wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

A. Did you clone the entire drive, including the MBR, boot partition and "C"
partition or did you only clone the "C" partition?

B. Are you familiar with the procedure to boot your specific machine from the
external drive?

I cloned the entire drive.
I have a Dell and it has three partitions.
To boot from the external drive , I chose it from F12, boot options,
and I put the drive first in the list of drives.
The computer goes to the drive, tries to boot but then stops.
I do not understand why.

Dave a écrit :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis I cannot
boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA Varouj

I think it may be dependent on the type of PC. On my Dell I had a failing
HD, so I restored an image to a smaller drive. I use partitioning so the
system C drive was same size.
When I go the new drive I restored to that and got the system running. I
did not encounter any type of problem, windows just booted in each case.
Note the macrium image contains the three system partitions Dell comes
with.

Once the system was up and running, I hooked up the the smaller drive with
identical C and Dell partitions using external SATA cables. The system
doesn't boot to that external when selected in boot menu (F12 on a Dell).
It just boots to the internal drive.

I don't know why this is, but it must have something to do with Windows
validation. I never was questioned when changing the HD and assume there
is something in the boot process that checks the legality of what is being
booted.
Thank you for your answer. I do not understand everything you wrote
exactly but I would like to ask you this.

I have a Dell too. My C drive is 500Gb.
My computer just goes off sometimes all by itself.
According to Dell (they are not very helpfull when out of guaranty),
the hard disk is failing and must be changed.
I bought an 240 G SSD, it is on its way and not here yet, and I am
trying acronis to see if it will do the job.
It did not work with an external usb "normal"drive.
There is an additional place in the computer for a second drive.
If I put the new SSD disk in that space and clone from C to the new
disk, will this work ? or do I better use Macrium ?
Or another solution ?

Gene E. Bloch a exprimé avec précision :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

Not all computers can boot from a USB drive.

Replace the internal drive by the clone.

Or connect the clone via an eSATA cable.

Thank you all for your answers, I'll try with a esata cable when I get
my SSD disk.

On 6/17/2014 9:06 PM, Varouj wrote:
Gene E. Bloch a exprimé avec précision :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

Not all computers can boot from a USB drive.

Replace the internal drive by the clone.
Or connect the clone via an eSATA cable.

Thank you all for your answers, I'll try with a esata cable when I get
my SSD disk.

read the instructions that will come with your SSD

In article ,
says...

Gene E. Bloch a exprimé avec précision :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

Not all computers can boot from a USB drive.

Replace the internal drive by the clone.

Or connect the clone via an eSATA cable.

Thank you all for your answers, I'll try with a esata cable when I get
my SSD disk.

I thought Windows itself doesn't like being run from any removable
drive? In fact MS takes steps to prevent it. Otherwise just buy an
external drive, put a "generic" install of Windows on it and just use it
on any pc. It hurts they're bottom line me thinks to allow it.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 22:24:35 -0300, pjp wrote:

In article ,
says...

Gene E. Bloch a exprimé avec précision :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

Not all computers can boot from a USB drive.

Replace the internal drive by the clone.

Or connect the clone via an eSATA cable.

Thank you all for your answers, I'll try with a esata cable when I get
my SSD disk.

I thought Windows itself doesn't like being run from any removable
drive? In fact MS takes steps to prevent it. Otherwise just buy an
external drive, put a "generic" install of Windows on it and just use it
on any pc. It hurts they're bottom line me thinks to allow it.

However, eSATA is really an internal drive, even though the 'e' means
external :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:00:07 +0200, Varouj
wrote:

Charles Lindbergh a pensé très fort :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj
wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

A. Did you clone the entire drive, including the MBR, boot partition and "C"
partition or did you only clone the "C" partition?

B. Are you familiar with the procedure to boot your specific machine from the
external drive?

I cloned the entire drive.
I have a Dell and it has three partitions.
To boot from the external drive , I chose it from F12, boot options,
and I put the drive first in the list of drives.
The computer goes to the drive, tries to boot but then stops.
I do not understand why.

Perhaps because the backups on the external drive are in compressed format. If
so, you'd have to decompress them first.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:14:34 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Dave a écrit :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis I cannot
boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA Varouj

I think it may be dependent on the type of PC. On my Dell I had a
failing HD, so I restored an image to a smaller drive. I use
partitioning so the system C drive was same size.
When I got the new drive I restored to that and got the system running.
I did not encounter any type of problem, windows just booted in each
case. Note the macrium image contains the three system partitions Dell
comes with.

Once the system was up and running, I hooked up the the smaller drive
with identical C and Dell partitions using external SATA cables. The
system doesn't boot to that external when selected in boot menu (F12 on
a Dell). It just boots to the internal drive.

I don't know why this is, but it must have something to do with Windows
validation. I never was questioned when changing the HD and assume
there is something in the boot process that checks the legality of what
is being booted.
Thank you for your answer. I do not understand everything you wrote
exactly but I would like to ask you this.

I have a Dell too. My C drive is 500Gb.
My computer just goes off sometimes all by itself.
According to Dell (they are not very helpfull when out of guaranty),
the hard disk is failing and must be changed.
I bought an 240 G SSD, it is on its way and not here yet, and I am
trying acronis to see if it will do the job.
It did not work with an external usb "normal"drive.
There is an additional place in the computer for a second drive.
If I put the new SSD disk in that space and clone from C to the new
disk, will this work ? or do I better use Macrium ?
Or another solution ?

Any image program that knows enough to save the small Dell utility
partition, the so called Recovery partition and the system partition C
should work.
I don't know what the problem is but it can only be one of two things:
1. Windows just doesn't like booting from a usb device, however, the
system will boot alternate systems from usb such as Linux or Windows PE
2. What I think may be the problem, windows doesn't like to see two
identical bootable systems on a Dell. This may have something to do with
windows being pre-installed and validated, thus saving the user for having
to deal with that nonsense.
If I had the time and inclination I could do sufficient experimenting to
narrow and perhaps define the problem, but I did many years of doing that
type of thing for a living, now I just sit back and enjoy except when I
have to fix something.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:49:49 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:00:07 +0200, Varouj
wrote:

Charles Lindbergh a pensé très fort :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj
wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

A. Did you clone the entire drive, including the MBR, boot partition and "C"
partition or did you only clone the "C" partition?

B. Are you familiar with the procedure to boot your specific machine from the
external drive?

I cloned the entire drive.
I have a Dell and it has three partitions.
To boot from the external drive , I chose it from F12, boot options,
and I put the drive first in the list of drives.
The computer goes to the drive, tries to boot but then stops.
I do not understand why.

Perhaps because the backups on the external drive are in compressed format. If
so, you'd have to decompress them first.

If the backup is compressed, then it's not a clone.

OTOH, the OP might have not cloned, in spite of what he said.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 15:02:21 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 07:49:49 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 01:00:07 +0200, Varouj
wrote:

Charles Lindbergh a pensé très fort :
On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:52:27 +0200, Varouj
wrote:

Hi,

I made a clone of my dis C on an external drive with Acronis
I cannot boot with my cloned drive.
Why ?
Is there a way to make that drive bootable ?
TIA
Varouj

A. Did you clone the entire drive, including the MBR, boot partition and "C"
partition or did you only clone the "C" partition?

B. Are you familiar with the procedure to boot your specific machine from the
external drive?

I cloned the entire drive.
I have a Dell and it has three partitions.
To boot from the external drive , I chose it from F12, boot options,
and I put the drive first in the list of drives.
The computer goes to the drive, tries to boot but then stops.
I do not understand why.

Perhaps because the backups on the external drive are in compressed format. If
so, you'd have to decompress them first.

If the backup is compressed, then it's not a clone.

OTOH, the OP might have not cloned, in spite of what he said.

He said he used Acronis, and in Acronis I think the default is compressed.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk