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Old November 4th 17, 02:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
XPer
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Win XP Pro all updated.
Firefox updated.

Some on-line videos i can watch and some are scrambled and some say
"No compatible source for this media"

In some cases i can download and view in VLC but mostly I cannot download.

What am i missing ?
How do I view them ?
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Old November 4th 17, 03:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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XPer wrote:
Win XP Pro all updated.
Firefox updated.

Some on-line videos i can watch and some are scrambled and some say
"No compatible source for this media"

In some cases i can download and view in VLC but mostly I cannot download.

What am i missing ?


Details. Youtube ?

How do I view them ?


Carefully.

There aren't a lot of media classifiers. There is
GSpot tool, which tells you which CODECs a downloaded
video used. There is some "Media Info" or the like,
but in a quick test, I wasn't impressed. While GSpot
is "old" now, it's still the best at what it does.

But when it comes to streaming, the streaming video
can be a format picked by the server (depends on bitrate
measurement of your connection, or a preference you've
set). You can also in some cases, visit a certain page
and select HTML5 video in preference to Flash video.
Not all browsers play the entire suite of HTML5 video
types.

Chrome is no longer provided for WinXP.

Chrome-alikes (SRWare Iron, Opera) will inherit
Chrome's hatred for WinXP, so you cannot escape that
way. I think the Youtube web page that checks HTML5 features,
it voted the Chrome set as complete (six tick marks, no
X marks).

http://www.youtube.com/html5

Firefox isn't quite complete.

If I knew of an alternative, I'd be using it.

Normally VLC could play what you downloaded.
FFMPEG ("ffplay") should be able to play quite
a few. These would be using their own internal
CODECs. You would only have a lot of DirectShow
CODECs (ones GSPOT could use), if you downloaded
some CODEC pack, and with the "bias" setting
on each CODEC, you can create a mess for yourself
(wrong CODEC gets selected) without too much trouble.

Personally, I prefer private CODECs, like in VLC,
because you can uninstall VLC if it ****es you off.

And there's no such thing as easy-peasy video.
If you're not struggling, you're not trying
hard enough to break it.

*******

Netflix is video with digital rights management (DRM).
The video window is "wrapped" with something that
prevents unauthorized access. And as well, it should
stop you from downloading, and only support streaming.

Paul
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Old November 4th 17, 05:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 18:18:47 -0700, XPer wrote:

Win XP Pro all updated.
Firefox updated.

Some on-line videos i can watch and some are scrambled and some say
"No compatible source for this media"

In some cases i can download and view in VLC but mostly I cannot download.

What am i missing ?
How do I view them ?


I have been seeing that lately too. Maybe one out of 30 videos on
Youtube pop up with this error message. It says something about HTML5 in
the error message. That dont surprise me. html5 has been nothing but a
pain in the ass since it first came out. I wish they would shove it up
the ass of whoever things we need it, because we dont. The old html was
just fine. But there has got to be some idiot who is never satisfied
with anything and has to find a way to **** up what works and make
everyone suffer.

I'm running XP Pro SP3, and Firefox. I'm probably back about 8 or 10
versions from the latest and dont intend to upgrade anytime soon. The FF
version I run is already slow compared to the older versions. I dont
need more of their bloatware to slow me down even more. I'm seriously
ready to dump Firefox and find another browser. But there dont seem to
be much to pick from.

When I encounter that error, I just move on to another video. I dont
have time to fight with garbage. Someone should tell Youtube to clean up
their act, and get rid of that **** which dont work. But I'm sure they
are sleeping with the idiot who created this ****, and will kiss ass to
them to make a buck! After all, Youtube is Google, and google has sold
out to anyone and everyone who makes them money. Google is NOT my
friend!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youtub...ty_and_formats

"The default video stream is encoded in the VP9 format
with stereo Opus audio; if VP9/WebM is not supported
in the browser/device or the browser's user agent
reports Windows XP, then H.264/MPEG-4 AVC video with
stereo AAC audio is used instead."

Which means, if they make mistakes, then at least two formats
are possible. If not more.

There was a Youtube Downloader, which would list all the
formats available for a particular video, so you can
work on this if you want. It really depends on how badly
you want a Youtube video, as to whether it's worth it
or not. My Youtube video collection has a size of zero,
for example :-) Can't be bothered.

Here's a snip from some past experiment...

*******

youtube-dl --list-formats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQUCYl-ocs

[youtube] wyQUCYl-ocs: Downloading webpage
[youtube] wyQUCYl-ocs: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] wyQUCYl-ocs: Extracting video information
[youtube] wyQUCYl-ocs: Downloading js player vflmw6aFG
[youtube] wyQUCYl-ocs: Downloading MPD manifest
[info] Available formats for wyQUCYl-ocs:
format code extension resolution note
139 m4a audio only DASH audio 48k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.5@ 48k (22050Hz), 1.90MiB
249 webm audio only DASH audio 60k , opus @ 50k, 2.03MiB
250 webm audio only DASH audio 79k , opus @ 70k, 2.52MiB
171 webm audio only DASH audio 91k , vorbis@128k, 3.19MiB
140 m4a audio only DASH audio 128k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.2@128k (44100Hz), 5.06MiB
251 webm audio only DASH audio 156k , opus @160k, 5.50MiB
160 mp4 192x144 DASH video 85k , avc1.4d400b, 25fps, video only, 3.30MiB
133 mp4 320x240 DASH video 204k , avc1.4d400d, 25fps, video only, 7.50MiB
17 3gp 176x144 small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2@ 24k
36 3gp 320x240 small , mp4v.20.3, mp4a.40.2
18 mp4 320x240 medium , avc1.42001E, mp4a.40.2@ 96k
43 webm 640x360 medium , vp8.0, vorbis@128k (best)

To download in a specific format:

youtube-dl --format 251 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyQUCYl-ocs

*******

Paul
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Old November 4th 17, 05:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 18:18:47 -0700, XPer wrote:

Win XP Pro all updated.
Firefox updated.

Some on-line videos i can watch and some are scrambled and some say
"No compatible source for this media"

In some cases i can download and view in VLC but mostly I cannot download.

What am i missing ?
How do I view them ?


I have been seeing that lately too. Maybe one out of 30 videos on
Youtube pop up with this error message. It says something about HTML5 in
the error message. That dont surprise me. html5 has been nothing but a
pain in the ass since it first came out. I wish they would shove it up
the ass of whoever things we need it, because we dont. The old html was
just fine. But there has got to be some idiot who is never satisfied
with anything and has to find a way to **** up what works and make
everyone suffer.

I'm running XP Pro SP3, and Firefox. I'm probably back about 8 or 10
versions from the latest and dont intend to upgrade anytime soon. The FF
version I run is already slow compared to the older versions. I dont
need more of their bloatware to slow me down even more. I'm seriously
ready to dump Firefox and find another browser. But there dont seem to
be much to pick from.

When I encounter that error, I just move on to another video. I dont
have time to fight with garbage. Someone should tell Youtube to clean up
their act, and get rid of that **** which dont work. But I'm sure they
are sleeping with the idiot who created this ****, and will kiss ass to
them to make a buck! After all, Youtube is Google, and google has sold
out to anyone and everyone who makes them money. Google is NOT my
friend!


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Old November 4th 17, 03:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , XPer writes:
Win XP Pro all updated.
Firefox updated.

Some on-line videos i can watch and some are scrambled and some say
"No compatible source for this media"

In some cases i can download and view in VLC but mostly I cannot download.

What am i missing ?
How do I view them ?


See Paul's for the usual in-depth answer, but just for clarification: do
you really mean you cannot download at all, or do you just mean you
cannot view what you've downloaded (in VLC or anything else)? If it's
the downloading that's the problem (which _is_ what you say), then
discussion of CoDecs won't help.

(FWIW, I can download _most_ things - from YouTube and other sites -
with my Firefox 26 and a plugin, though in many cases I _can't_ view
them within the webpage; the few I can't even download are mostly new
and "official" things, like movie traders or pop videos, where I assume
DRM is stopping me downloading. Which I _suppose_ is OK [though seems a
bit mean for trailers, rather than the whole film].)
--
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The average US shareholding lasts 22 seconds. Nobody knows who invented the
fire hydrant: the patent records were destroyed in a fire. Sandcastles kill
more people than sharks. Your brain uses less power than the light in your
fridge. The Statue of Liberty wears size 879 shoes.
- John Lloyd, QI supremo (RT, 2014/9/27-10/3)
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Old November 5th 17, 01:36 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
jbclem[_2_]
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The funny thing is that when I run into this kind of problem, I go to
Chrome v49 and the video almost always works. I'm using WinXP pro sp3.


"Paul" wrote in message
news
XPer wrote:
Win XP Pro all updated.
Firefox updated.

Some on-line videos i can watch and some are scrambled and some say
"No compatible source for this media"

In some cases i can download and view in VLC but mostly I cannot
download.

What am i missing ?


Details. Youtube ?

How do I view them ?


Carefully.

There aren't a lot of media classifiers. There is
GSpot tool, which tells you which CODECs a downloaded
video used. There is some "Media Info" or the like,
but in a quick test, I wasn't impressed. While GSpot
is "old" now, it's still the best at what it does.

But when it comes to streaming, the streaming video
can be a format picked by the server (depends on bitrate
measurement of your connection, or a preference you've
set). You can also in some cases, visit a certain page
and select HTML5 video in preference to Flash video.
Not all browsers play the entire suite of HTML5 video
types.

Chrome is no longer provided for WinXP.

Chrome-alikes (SRWare Iron, Opera) will inherit
Chrome's hatred for WinXP, so you cannot escape that
way. I think the Youtube web page that checks HTML5 features,
it voted the Chrome set as complete (six tick marks, no
X marks).

http://www.youtube.com/html5

Firefox isn't quite complete.

If I knew of an alternative, I'd be using it.

Normally VLC could play what you downloaded.
FFMPEG ("ffplay") should be able to play quite
a few. These would be using their own internal
CODECs. You would only have a lot of DirectShow
CODECs (ones GSPOT could use), if you downloaded
some CODEC pack, and with the "bias" setting
on each CODEC, you can create a mess for yourself
(wrong CODEC gets selected) without too much trouble.

Personally, I prefer private CODECs, like in VLC,
because you can uninstall VLC if it ****es you off.

And there's no such thing as easy-peasy video.
If you're not struggling, you're not trying
hard enough to break it.

*******

Netflix is video with digital rights management (DRM).
The video window is "wrapped" with something that
prevents unauthorized access. And as well, it should
stop you from downloading, and only support streaming.

Paul



 




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