nice article on booting w10 into safe mode

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!

--
Duncan.

On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!



I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether

T wrote:
On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!



I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether

I think "deep do-do" is easier to pronounce :-)

Well, you're at least interested in manual repair
techniques, such as bcdedit from your boot CD
Command Prompt window. You can then try some
of the things that the system boot repair has
already tried.

And of the two techniques that work as replacements
for F8, one doesn't seem to work on multi-boot setups
and the boot process falls through the step that
would have resulted in Safe Mode. But you can
get there with bcdedit. What you cannot be assured of
getting to, is this page, under all circumstances
(Legacy Menu).

http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/...ITlffbJuSl.png

What bcdedit can do, is get you to "Safe Mode with Networking"
directly, without the F8 menu showing up.

Paul

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 00:40:54 -0400, Paul wrote:

What you cannot be assured of
getting to, is this page, under all circumstances
(Legacy Menu).

http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/...ITlffbJuSl.png

Yes, it seems a matter of rebooting a few times till the system puts
up a window saying 'we notice you are having trouble booting' and
offering some choices, including 'advanced' that in turn offers
F8-style choices as per that link. On this Dell all these helpful
repair systems get in the way of running a re-install; resetting the
system seemed to take forever so I powered down from that,
eventually fiddling with the booting order enabled booting from the
MSFT media, and eventual reinstall. Even now I get occasional offers
to test hardware and so on getting in the way of booting the system,
but I think that's partly some Dell stuff lingering after the
reinstall. Dell UK forums are pretty hopeless by the way.

The original problem, to give readers some context, seemed to be
that neither Zone Alarm, nor AOMEI backerupper play nicely with
Win10AE.

On 10/12/2016 at 7:28 AM, mechanic's prodigious digits fired off:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 00:40:54 -0400, Paul wrote:

What you cannot be assured of
getting to, is this page, under all circumstances
(Legacy Menu).

http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/...ITlffbJuSl.png

Yes, it seems a matter of rebooting a few times till the system puts
up a window saying 'we notice you are having trouble booting' and
offering some choices, including 'advanced' that in turn offers
F8-style choices as per that link. On this Dell all these helpful
repair systems get in the way of running a re-install; resetting the
system seemed to take forever so I powered down from that,
eventually fiddling with the booting order enabled booting from the
MSFT media, and eventual reinstall. Even now I get occasional offers
to test hardware and so on getting in the way of booting the system,
but I think that's partly some Dell stuff lingering after the
reinstall. Dell UK forums are pretty hopeless by the way.

The original problem, to give readers some context, seemed to be
that neither Zone Alarm, nor AOMEI backerupper play nicely with
Win10AE.


ZA is running fine here on W10AU.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net/
Suburbia: Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 10:49:51 -0400, Ed Mullen wrote:

ZA is running fine here on W10AU.

It was on one machine here, apart from some false positives just
after Win10 updated to the AE. Another machine became unbootable
after many false positives from ZA, Avira worked fine. (Not at the
same time I should add)_.

In article , lid, T says...

On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!



I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether

Not at all. All we'd need is the *old* F8 - boot to safe mode option.
That would work great for system that boot up and bluescreen - and yes,
I've had one PC that does that, bad Intel/MS graphics drivers.

With and F8 option, I'd have a way to get in.

--
Duncan.

On 10/12/2016 08:03 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!



I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether

Not at all. All we'd need is the *old* F8 - boot to safe mode option.
That would work great for system that boot up and bluescreen - and yes,
I've had one PC that does that, bad Intel/MS graphics drivers.

With and F8 option, I'd have a way to get in.


I am not sure if you are saying the f8 options works or
if you wish it was restored to w10.

On 10/11/2016 11:40 PM, T wrote:
On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!



I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether
According to this article it sounds like Windows 10 automatically goes
to the safe mode if it encounters a problem on start up.

https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1013074/

In article , lid, T says...

On 10/12/2016 08:03 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!



I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether

Not at all. All we'd need is the *old* F8 - boot to safe mode option.
That would work great for system that boot up and bluescreen - and yes,
I've had one PC that does that, bad Intel/MS graphics drivers.

With and F8 option, I'd have a way to get in.


I am not sure if you are saying the f8 options works or
if you wish it was restored to w10.

If the F8 option was restored to W10, it would work!

--
Duncan.

In article , ,
Keith Nuttle says...

On 10/11/2016 11:40 PM, T wrote:
On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!



I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether
According to this article it sounds like Windows 10 automatically goes
to the safe mode if it encounters a problem on start up.

https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1013074/

Eventually... sometimes... - the old manual option would be better.

--
Duncan.

Dave Doe wrote:
In article , ,
Keith Nuttle says...
On 10/11/2016 11:40 PM, T wrote:
On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...
Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T
All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!


I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether
According to this article it sounds like Windows 10 automatically goes
to the safe mode if it encounters a problem on start up.

https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1013074/

Eventually... sometimes... - the old manual option would be better.


The booting process is over-complicated. Play around
with dual-booting for example, and watch the Win10
boot process do a "double-reset" when the non-default OS
is selected. It's like the loader isn't clever enough
to check whether anything is hibernated or kernel
hibernated and make a more informed response. (If
the booting process was using a "warm" kernel, that
would be an excuse for the double reset, but if Fast
Boot is disabled, it still does the double reset thing.)

The handling of winre.wim is similarly bizarre, with the
OS having a different setup if you upgrade from Win7 to Win10,
than if you clean the disk off and install Win10 from scratch.

The handling of the programming is done by reagentc program.
It can be used to move the pointer to winre.wim (the thing
that loads and gives the tiles in the Asus article above).
Reagentc also contains an enable and a disable option,
but it's not clear how the OS responds if it won't boot
and reagentc is set to "disable". Maybe it stops dead
in its tracks ? But I haven't tested that.

The C: partition has a folder intended to hold a winre.wim,
but you won't find one there either. The OS doesn't seem
to use its own folder.

When you do a Free Upgrade install, you sometimes end up
with a 450MB partition, and an example of the contents
is in this picture. Since the 450MB partition is type
0x27 "hidden NTFS", the picture here was taken from
Linux. And no, Linux doesn't even mount this partition
by default, so more monkey business was required to
get here for a look.

https://s15.postimg.org/pwvs3fee3/re..._partition.gif

The thing I don't have an answer for, is on a Win10
clean install, where does that stuff hide ? It's not
in the place designed to hold it... So there must be
some other trick.

Paul

On 10/13/2016 12:26 PM, T wrote:
On 10/12/2016 08:03 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!



I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether

Not at all. All we'd need is the *old* F8 - boot to safe mode option.
That would work great for system that boot up and bluescreen - and yes,
I've had one PC that does that, bad Intel/MS graphics drivers.

With and F8 option, I'd have a way to get in.


I am not sure if you are saying the f8 options works or
if you wish it was restored to w10.

If your PC has a wireless keyboard, the question is, does any of the
function keys work to bring up safe mode???

On 10/13/2016 04:00 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

On 10/12/2016 08:03 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

On 10/11/2016 08:05 PM, Dave Doe wrote:
In article , lid, T says...

Hi All,

I came across a nice article on how to boot Where's Waldo into
safe mode.

http://www.howto-connect.com/boot-wi...nto-safe-mode/

I was unaware of the shiftclick option on the "restart"
bottom.

-T

All totally useless! It requires that W10 boots in the first place!



I use safe mode all the time on systems that do boot.

If Windows doesn't boot at all, then your are in deep poop
poop and are looking for an in place reinstall. Or a
switch to a different version of Windows or a different OS
altogether

Not at all. All we'd need is the *old* F8 - boot to safe mode option.
That would work great for system that boot up and bluescreen - and yes,
I've had one PC that does that, bad Intel/MS graphics drivers.

With and F8 option, I'd have a way to get in.


I am not sure if you are saying the f8 options works or
if you wish it was restored to w10.

If the F8 option was restored to W10, it would work!



Here is a work around to get F8 back:

http://www.windows10forums.com/artic...e-boot-menu.8/