Limited memory Windows 10

I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.

It has a second disk that is nearly empty.

Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary disk?

The update file is available at
http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/wi...sed-14393-321/

On 14/10/2016 21:09, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.

It has a second disk that is nearly empty.

Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary disk?

The update file is available at
http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/wi...sed-14393-321/


A memory cannot be on a hard disk so you have started with the wrong
premise.

Updates can be downloaded on any media. It doesn't have to be on the
same media as your operating system. After downloading the cumulative
update file, you can double click on it and the system will find a way
to update the operating system.

If you are running out of disk space then clearly you don't have to
update your system every month because there is no evidence that the
updates are REAL security patches or features upgrades. In your case you
could update your system every 3 months and in doing so, save some
valuable time and aggro!!!!!



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Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.

It has a second disk that is nearly empty.

Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary disk?

The update file is available at
http://www.winhelponline.com/blog/wi...sed-14393-321/


And right on that page, it mentions issues with
the downloaded MSU. The Windows Update delivery
mechanism seems to work.

To make space on C:

1) Obviously, move stuff from your Downloads folder
from C: onto another partition.
2) Adjust the Pagefile to 1GB fixed size, using
the System control panel.
3) In an Administrator Command Prompt window

powercfg -h off

This will delete hiberfil.sys . You can
turn it back on later. You get the most advantage
on systems with a lot of RAM.
4) System control panel : System Protection, turn
system protection Off and On again. This
deletes restore points.
5) Reboot. Check size of C:

There is one option in cleanmgr.exe that
causes compression of portions of WinSXS.
I don't recommend using that, as it takes
three hours in some cases. For a small
space savings.

HTH,
Paul

On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary disk?

You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory! Disk
storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

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On 10/15/2016 1:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary disk?

You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory! Disk
storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

OP Regardless of what I said, I know the difference between memory and
disk storage space. I have been working with computers since some of
you were in diapers.

Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on the
secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS

On 10/15/2016 7:26 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on the
secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS

Installing a standalone KB is very much like installing a program. Just
try it to find out.

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Keith Nuttle wrote:


Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on the
secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS

Yes.

3194798 is available from the Catalog server.
(It should not be on there, but I checked and
it is there.)

You can put it on your secondary disk.
*However*, while it is prepping the update, it
may still use storage on C: during the preparation.
You're saving maybe 800MB on C: by downloading
via the Catalog server onto the non-C: partition.

You can always run a backup of C: before
doing this. Just in case. While installers
have excellent recovery properties, on
occasion I've been known to abort an
unwind, and just restore from backup.
Because it can save an hour and thirty minutes.

I've already given some suggestions for
freeing up *space* on the C: partition,
in preparation for the operation. You'll
get back much more than 800MB if you're
smart about it.

Paul

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 07:26:17 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 10/15/2016 1:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary disk?

You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory! Disk
storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

OP Regardless of what I said, I know the difference between memory and
disk storage space.


I was also about to point out that they were two different things, but
then I realized who asked the question, and I was sure you knew and it
was just a minor brain fart.


I have been working with computers since some of
you were in diapers.


Not me, I'm sure! g I started in 1962.


Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on the
secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS


As far as I know, yes, you can.

On 10/15/2016 9:42 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-15 07:26, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 10/15/2016 1:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary
disk?

You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory! Disk
storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

OP Regardless of what I said, I know the difference between memory and
disk storage space. I have been working with computers since some of
you were in diapers.

Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on the
secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS

Don't know whether the update installer looks for the system partition,
or just tries to update whatever partition it's in. OP could just try
it. It won't hurt the KB file, but if he's worried about that, make a
copy and rename it.

In any case, OP should run Windows Cleanup, and tick the option to
remove past update files. That creates more than enough space for
running the new update. If the "primary disk" is nearly full, there's a
heap of crap on it.

OP should also delete all obsolete data, then backup the remainder to
another location (an external drive is best), then delete non-current
and obsolete data on the primary disk. "Data grows to fill the space
available." Most data is not worth keeping, a hard fact to accept, and a
harder one to act on. I Don't ask how I know... :-)

Have a good day,

Since you post hear a lot I have an inkling of why you know.

I wish to thank those that responded. I ask first as I just spent two
week getting this one fixed after a failed update.

On 15/10/2016 12:26, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 10/15/2016 1:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary disk?

You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory! Disk
storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

OP Regardless of what I said, I know the difference between memory and
disk storage space. I have been working with computers since some of
you were in diapers.

Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on the
secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS

You wouldn't be using the vague phrase "run the update file on the
secondary disk" if you knew your stuff.

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Brian Gregory wrote in
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On 15/10/2016 12:26, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 10/15/2016 1:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary
disk?

You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory!
Disk storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

OP Regardless of what I said, I know the difference between memory
and disk storage space. I have been working with computers since
some of you were in diapers.

Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on the
secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS

Update will use the Path system variable to find the Windows installation.
Pop open a command prompt and type 'path' and press enter. You will see one
or more lines that start with 'Path=' with a bunch of disk directories
after it. One of them should be 'C:\windows' with a few similar ones as
well. Techically, you could have the update file on your phone, and if the
phone was plugged into your system and appeared as a disk drive, you could
update from there. I don't know why you would want to, but you could.

Tim wrote:
Brian Gregory wrote in
:

On 15/10/2016 12:26, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 10/15/2016 1:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary
disk?
You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory!
Disk storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

OP Regardless of what I said, I know the difference between memory
and disk storage space. I have been working with computers since
some of you were in diapers.

Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on the
secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS
Update will use the Path system variable to find the Windows installation.
Pop open a command prompt and type 'path' and press enter. You will see one
or more lines that start with 'Path=' with a bunch of disk directories
after it. One of them should be 'C:\windows' with a few similar ones as
well. Techically, you could have the update file on your phone, and if the
phone was plugged into your system and appeared as a disk drive, you could
update from there. I don't know why you would want to, but you could.

But in this case, kb3194798 is available as a .msu from
catalog.update.microsoft.com. You download it. You
double-click on it. Done. During the download, you
can select a secondary disk for storage. And
double-click it from there.

No need to evaluate %path% to get there.

Not every package install is that easy. Some,
you do have to work in a command line environment.
Sometimes the crap on the Catalog server is in
CAB format, and you get to learn something new :-(

dism /online /Add-Package /Package-Name:F:\some.cab

But an MSU shouldn't be a problem.

You can also do an MSU from the command line.

https://kb.cscc.edu/article/how-to-i...d-line-63.html

wusa.exe D:\934307\Windows6.0-KB934307-x86.msu /quiet /norestart

You can also find scripts using WUSA to *remove*
updates, such as people who hunt out and destroy
all the CEIP updates. Very useful. This might
not work for a "black hole" update...

wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /norestart /quiet

CEIP is a useful concept. Firefox has its own private
CEIP subsystem, which reports to Mozilla directly.
(And has tick boxes for control.) The objectionable
part, is the Microsoft CEIP, stores third-party
CEIP info on a Microsoft server, with no indication
the third-party is even looking at the output. It's
not so much CEIP is spyware, as it is "who gets to
look at it" and "lame delivery architecture". You can't
even be sure that a third-party ever knows their
application is using too much memory. At least with
Firefox, you know they put an effort into designing
it, and they'd be stupid to not check memory usage
on each release. I know there are third-party
application designers out there, who put CEIP into
their app with Visual Studio, and have no idea
it's building a log on a Microsoft server somewhere.

HTH,
Paul

On 16/10/2016 07:06, Paul wrote:
Tim wrote:
Brian Gregory wrote in
:
On 15/10/2016 12:26, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 10/15/2016 1:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the primary
disk?
You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory!
Disk storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

OP Regardless of what I said, I know the difference between memory
and disk storage space. I have been working with computers since
some of you were in diapers.

Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on the
secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS
Update will use the Path system variable to find the Windows
installation. Pop open a command prompt and type 'path' and press
enter. You will see one or more lines that start with 'Path=' with a
bunch of disk directories after it. One of them should be 'C:\windows'
with a few similar ones as well. Techically, you could have the update
file on your phone, and if the phone was plugged into your system and
appeared as a disk drive, you could update from there. I don't know
why you would want to, but you could.

But in this case, kb3194798 is available as a .msu from
catalog.update.microsoft.com. You download it. You
double-click on it. Done. During the download, you
can select a secondary disk for storage. And
double-click it from there.

No need to evaluate %path% to get there.

Not every package install is that easy. Some,
you do have to work in a command line environment.
Sometimes the crap on the Catalog server is in
CAB format, and you get to learn something new :-(

dism /online /Add-Package /Package-Name:F:\some.cab

But an MSU shouldn't be a problem.

You can also do an MSU from the command line.

https://kb.cscc.edu/article/how-to-i...d-line-63.html


wusa.exe D:\934307\Windows6.0-KB934307-x86.msu /quiet /norestart

You can also find scripts using WUSA to *remove*
updates, such as people who hunt out and destroy
all the CEIP updates. Very useful. This might
not work for a "black hole" update...

wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664 /norestart /quiet

CEIP is a useful concept. Firefox has its own private
CEIP subsystem, which reports to Mozilla directly.
(And has tick boxes for control.) The objectionable
part, is the Microsoft CEIP, stores third-party
CEIP info on a Microsoft server, with no indication
the third-party is even looking at the output. It's
not so much CEIP is spyware, as it is "who gets to
look at it" and "lame delivery architecture". You can't
even be sure that a third-party ever knows their
application is using too much memory. At least with
Firefox, you know they put an effort into designing
it, and they'd be stupid to not check memory usage
on each release. I know there are third-party
application designers out there, who put CEIP into
their app with Visual Studio, and have no idea
it's building a log on a Microsoft server somewhere.

HTH,
Paul

I would call that running the update file from another disk.

The OP said run it on another disk, like he wanted to update the other
disk or something.

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Paul wrote in :

Tim wrote:
Brian Gregory wrote in
:

On 15/10/2016 12:26, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 10/15/2016 1:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the
primary disk?
You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory!
Disk storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

OP Regardless of what I said, I know the difference between memory
and disk storage space. I have been working with computers since
some of you were in diapers.

Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on
the secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS
Update will use the Path system variable to find the Windows
installation. Pop open a command prompt and type 'path' and press
enter. You will see one or more lines that start with 'Path=' with a
bunch of disk directories after it. One of them should be
'C:\windows' with a few similar ones as well. Techically, you could
have the update file on your phone, and if the phone was plugged into
your system and appeared as a disk drive, you could update from
there. I don't know why you would want to, but you could.

But in this case, kb3194798 is available as a .msu from
catalog.update.microsoft.com. You download it. You
double-click on it. Done. During the download, you
can select a secondary disk for storage. And
double-click it from there.

No need to evaluate %path% to get there.

I wasn't saying the OP needed to evaluate the PATH variable. I included
that text to show where the update process would look to find the Windows
installation. I probably could have been a little more clear in my
explanation.

On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 09:24:22 -0500, Tim wrote:

Paul wrote in :

Tim wrote:
Brian Gregory wrote in
:

On 15/10/2016 12:26, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 10/15/2016 1:10 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/15/2016 4:09 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I have a computer with limited memory on the primary disk.
It has a second disk that is nearly empty.
Can I download an update to the second disk and update the
primary disk?
You have to know the difference between disk storage and memory!
Disk storage is NOT memory. Do a Google research.

OP Regardless of what I said, I know the difference between memory
and disk storage space. I have been working with computers since
some of you were in diapers.

Everyone has avoided the question: Can I run the update file on
the secondary disk to update the primary disk with the OS
Update will use the Path system variable to find the Windows
installation. Pop open a command prompt and type 'path' and press
enter. You will see one or more lines that start with 'Path=' with a
bunch of disk directories after it. One of them should be
'C:\windows' with a few similar ones as well. Techically, you could
have the update file on your phone, and if the phone was plugged into
your system and appeared as a disk drive, you could update from
there. I don't know why you would want to, but you could.

But in this case, kb3194798 is available as a .msu from
catalog.update.microsoft.com. You download it. You
double-click on it. Done. During the download, you
can select a secondary disk for storage. And
double-click it from there.

No need to evaluate %path% to get there.

I wasn't saying the OP needed to evaluate the PATH variable. I included
that text to show where the update process would look to find the Windows
installation. I probably could have been a little more clear in my
explanation.

I don't think anything uses the Path to find where Windows is installed.
There are environment variables specifically for that. Type 'set' at a
command prompt and you'll see things like the following:

C:\Windows\System32set
ALLUSERSPROFILE=C:\ProgramData
CommonProgramFiles=C:\Program Files\Common Files
CommonProgramFiles(x86)=C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files
CommonProgramW6432=C:\Program Files\Common Files
ComSpec=C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe
OS=Windows_NT
Path=snipped
PATHEXT=.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WS F;.WSH;.MSC
ProgramData=C:\ProgramData
ProgramFiles=C:\Program Files
ProgramFiles(x86)=C:\Program Files (x86)
ProgramW6432=C:\Program Files
SystemDrive=C:
SystemRoot=C:\Windows
windir=C:\Windows

I think everything a Windows update needs to know is there.