Connecting Android to Windows 10 by adding bluetooth

On 2017-07-12 01:50, nospam wrote:
In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

Or maybe his computer connects directly to an Internet modem and
there is no WiFi AP.

highly unlikely since broadband modems have wifi built in.

Not all.
Broadband routers do have WiFi almost always.

that's what i said.

Modems, which connect to a single computer, do not.

modems are obsolete.

That will come as a great surprise to the modem manufacturers and the
millions of people who currently use them to get Internet access via
cable or DSL. What took their place?

what part of 'modems, which connect to a single computer' is not clear?

that clearly means old obsolete dial-up modems, *not* broadband,
particularly since he singled out broadband one line prior.

No, it doesn't.


not only that, but broadband modems aren't actually modems. they're
network bridges/routers.

Not if they only have one mouth.
Not if they need supporting software stack in the computer (ppp et al).
Not plug and play.



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Cheers, Carlos.

On 2017-07-12 05:34, micky wrote:
In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 11 Jul 2017 21:36:16 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." wrote:

On 2017-07-11 21:24, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:



And in another article (Message-ID:
), you specifically said LAN,
but you deleted that part from the post - typical nospam move:

WiFi is impossible for a PC that is not even on a LAN.

yes it is, and since it's in your house, why wouldn't it be on a lan?


my initial statement was to use wifi. i did not say *anything* about a
lan because a lan is not required.

*he* mentioned a lan, not me, saying that it's impossible without a
lan, which is bull****. a lan is not required, which is what i said.

Yes, you used the word "lan". We have written proof. :-P


now stop avoiding the question and answer it: why wouldn't there be a
lan?

Didn't the International World Legisature vote that there must be a lan
everywhere? Yes it did, bu that law was overturned by the
SuperNational World Court, so it's no longer required and that why it's
okay that there isn't one. In fact many untra-moderates who were forced
to put in lans before the law was overturned destroyed those lans and
many others, including those of the IWL legislators.

LOL X-)


Because there is none. There is no more to it, he doesn't have a LAN, so
end of discussion. :-)

I think I set him straight.

Ah, but he will return and have the last word! LOL.

Oh, my.

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Cheers, Carlos.

On 2017-07-12 13:49, Dan Jenkins wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 07:23:02 +0200, Poutnik
wrote:

The dongles makes more sense, as they need to be exposed
to have better signal conditions.

My desktop is a metal cage on all six sides.
With the exceptions of the cooling vents, isn't that, essentially, a
Faraday cage?
How do internal Wi-Fi cards cope with that problem?

No, on a desktop either you use a dongle connected to an external USB
port (very easy to set up, but less signal power), or a card with at
least one external antenna.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2017-07-12 01:50, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

I get 25 Mbit/s out of WiFi in a busy apartment building, so the speed
is the comparable.

only because you're using an obsolete 802.11g wifi router, and/or
something is *horribly* misconfigured.

I'm using whatever the ISP there supplies.

they gave you outdated junk and it's not secure either.

How do you know that it is not secure? Have you tested it?

a 15 year old router is not getting security updates anymore and hasn't
for a long, long time.

And you know it is 15 years old, how exactly?
Because it ain't.

it doesn't matter how old it is. it's 802.11g and obsolete. 802.11n
replaced it a decade ago, so even if your router was one of the last
802.11g routers to be released, it's still obsolete.

How do you know it is 802.11g? I didn't say.


even many routers that are just 5 years old aren't getting updates
anymore.

Maybe I use openwrt.

on a router supplied by an isp, that you don't own?

what do they have to say about that?

Nothing.

Maybe I use two routers.



Simply there are about 50 AP in view, so the BW goes down.

switch to 5 ghz, which is nowhere near as crowded, and if everyone else
continues to use obsolete 802.11g, you'll be the only one there.

Ah, nice! Surely you will fund me buying a new laptop? I would
appreciate that. And don't forget the other room mates: laptops, phones,
etc. We will all appreciate your generosity.

nearly all laptops made in the last 10 years or so have 802.11n, most
android phones in the last several years do as well, and an 802.11n
router is less than us$20.

surely you can afford that.

split it among your roommates, and it'll be less than $10 each.

No split. Each one wants a new laptop 5G capable. You provide it, be
generous.

as i said, most laptops made in the past 10 years and certainly the
last 5 years have 5 ghz 802.11n (possibly 802.11ac).

Not mine, certainly.

So, will you be generous? :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Dne 12.7.2017 v 13:49 Dan Jenkins napsal(a):
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 07:23:02 +0200, Poutnik
wrote:

The dongles makes more sense, as they need to be exposed
to have better signal conditions.

My desktop is a metal cage on all six sides.
With the exceptions of the cooling vents, isn't that, essentially, a
Faraday cage?
How do internal Wi-Fi cards cope with that problem?

Such a card, similarly as a network, audio or video card,
have their connector outputs exposed.
Some of outputs expect to be connected
to an antenna of some kind.

IMHO, USB wifi dongles are much more common, and probably cheaper.

--
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

Dne 12.7.2017 v 13:52 Lionel Muller napsal(a):
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 08:40:08 +0200,
Poutnik wrote:

I highly doubt the Android side
would provide BT usable for serious file transport.

I have had good experience in both Android BT & 802.11n FTP over Wi-Fi
to Windows and both have their place.

I have meant the serious file transport.
Hundreds of megabytes, up to full content of the SDHC/SDXC card.
For few photos, BT is OK.

[....]
I keep reading ignorant people say that BT sucks but that's like saying
riding a bicycle sucks compared to riding a motorcycle. They both have
times when they're perfect over the other, and having both is the best of
all worlds. [....]

No doubts BT has its place, I have not said otherwise.

To bike/motorbike analogy,
for the afterwork ride to clean the head, the bike is better.
To ride 600 km in a day, the motorbike seems a good choice,
as I went max 170 km.

( Well, there is the 24h race called "K24" in a town near my home,
where the top bikers drive in 24h race about 750 km.
The last year the No 3 was about 65-70 years old retired bee keeper,
driving during the years 60 km daily for his honey distribution. )


--
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

On 7/12/2017 2:49 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

I'm sorry, but I still don't see a make and model there. Not for the
"under $20" router, and not for whatever you were bragging about.

there's this thing called google, perhaps you've heard of it.

it turns out 802.11n routers are actually much cheaper than i thought,
as little as $10, most of which are well known brands. $10 is cheap
enough that if stops working in 6 months, toss it and buy another.

here's just a small sample of the *many* hits:

http://www.microcenter.com/product/4..._Wireless_Rout
er
http://www.microcenter.com/product/468303/F3_N300_Wireless_Router
http://www.microcenter.com/product/3...bps_Wireless_N
_Home_Router
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0E6-002T-00001R
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156466
https://www.amazon.com/ZyXEL-NBG416n...nna/dp/B004UBW
3SW/
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-F9K100...r/dp/B00QVJ0PD
Q/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FWYGJS/

802.11ac are as low as $30, unless you wait for the $20 deal to come
around again.
https://dealnews.com/Refurb-Linksys-...Router-for-20-
free-shipping/2014688.html
http://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-EA6400-RM/
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833555073

That's a nice collection of unknown brands (Tenda?) and refurbs, but to
be fair you didn't claim there'd be any jewels in the bunch.

all i said was there are 802.11n routers for under $20, and there are.

they use the same chipsets internally, so it doesn't actually matter
what the name is and there's nothing wrong with a refurb either.

and as i said, for $10, who cares how good it is. if it works for 6
months, you're already ahead. heck, if it works for a week, it's paid
for itself in the time it saved.

Your 900
megabit wonder is still a mystery, but I'm ready to move on. Thanks for
the discussion.

no mystery about it. most ac wifi routers can do gigabit speeds. mine
is an asus 68u. wave 2 will be even faster.

the cheaper ac routers might not, but they're still going to be faster
than n.

the bottleneck is that the switches and computers are mostly gig-e but
that'll change soon.



Good fresh oats is fairly expensive, But once through the Horse it is
quite cheap. :-)

Rene

On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 00:18:17 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 2017-07-11 22:59, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Or maybe his computer connects directly to an Internet modem and
there is no WiFi AP.

highly unlikely since broadband modems have wifi built in.

Not all.
Broadband routers do have WiFi almost always.

that's what i said.

Modems, which connect to a single computer, do not.

modems are obsolete.

Maybe in the USA, but many people are using them.

Hint: a modem doesn't necessarily mean a POTS thing. Rather, a fibre or
cable thing, doing perhaps 100 Mbps.


You may call such a thing a modem, and you are far from alone. Many
people call that cable thing a "modem," but they are wrong. The word
"modem" is short for MODulator-DEModulator. It's a device that
translates an analog signal into a digital one, and vice versa. Cable
is digital to begin with, so there is no translation necessary.

In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

Or maybe his computer connects directly to an Internet modem and
there is no WiFi AP.

highly unlikely since broadband modems have wifi built in.

Not all.
Broadband routers do have WiFi almost always.

that's what i said.

Modems, which connect to a single computer, do not.

modems are obsolete.

Maybe in the USA, but many people are using them.

Hint: a modem doesn't necessarily mean a POTS thing. Rather, a fibre or
cable thing, doing perhaps 100 Mbps.


You may call such a thing a modem, and you are far from alone. Many
people call that cable thing a "modem," but they are wrong. The word
"modem" is short for MODulator-DEModulator. It's a device that
translates an analog signal into a digital one, and vice versa. Cable
is digital to begin with, so there is no translation necessary.

yep.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

I get 25 Mbit/s out of WiFi in a busy apartment building, so the
speed is the comparable.

only because you're using an obsolete 802.11g wifi router, and/or
something is *horribly* misconfigured.

I'm using whatever the ISP there supplies.

they gave you outdated junk and it's not secure either.

How do you know that it is not secure? Have you tested it?

a 15 year old router is not getting security updates anymore and hasn't
for a long, long time.

And you know it is 15 years old, how exactly?
Because it ain't.

it doesn't matter how old it is. it's 802.11g and obsolete. 802.11n
replaced it a decade ago, so even if your router was one of the last
802.11g routers to be released, it's still obsolete.

How do you know it is 802.11g? I didn't say.

read what i wrote:
only because you're using an obsolete 802.11g wifi router, and/or
something is *horribly* misconfigured.

do yo see the and/or? what do you think that means?

your avoidance and evasion indicate that i was exactly correct.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2017-07-11 22:59, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Or maybe his computer connects directly to an Internet modem and
there is no WiFi AP.

highly unlikely since broadband modems have wifi built in.

Not all.
Broadband routers do have WiFi almost always.

that's what i said.

Modems, which connect to a single computer, do not.

modems are obsolete.

Maybe in the USA, but many people are using them.

Carlos, Carlos, Carlos! When will you ever learn! If nospam doesn't
use something, it's obsolete!

Previous example: If nospam says IEEE 802.11g is obsolete, you should
dump any 'g' stuff you have and buy 'n' stuff, even if it doesn't make
your WAN go any faster. Got it!?

Hint: a modem doesn't necessarily mean a POTS thing. Rather, a fibre or
cable thing, doing perhaps 100 Mbps.

Or 300 Mbps or 1 Gbps or ...

But I'm afraid this is my last post, because spam says "modems are
obsolete", so I'll have to shut mine down.

Bye.

[...]

Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 00:18:17 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:
[...]
Hint: a modem doesn't necessarily mean a POTS thing. Rather, a fibre or
cable thing, doing perhaps 100 Mbps.

You may call such a thing a modem, and you are far from alone. Many
people call that cable thing a "modem," but they are wrong. The word
"modem" is short for MODulator-DEModulator. It's a device that
translates an analog signal into a digital one, and vice versa. Cable
is digital to begin with, so there is no translation necessary.

As long as the *original* cable modem makers call them (cable) modems,
they're (cable) modems. End of story.

https://web.archive.org/web/20021021205140/http://www.cablelabs.com/news/pr/1996/1996_09_23.html

BTW, this was the *first* reference on the Wikipedia DOCSIS page. Not
*really* rocket science to find it.

And guess what's the title of the DOCSIS 3.1 spec!?

Indeed "Cable Modem Operations Support System Interface Specification"!

https://apps.cablelabs.com/specification/CM-SP-CM-OSSIv3.1

So can we put this sillyness to rest?

For alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.cellular.bluetooth Wolf
K wrote:


But for most people, a "modem" is what connects you to the internet, no
matter how. Function is more important than operation. That's why we
still talk about the "shift lever" even though it no longer shifts the
gears in an automatic transmission.

Just to throw another word into the mix, I'm on WISP which means I don't
have a "modem", per se.

I have a transceiver!

I've learned never to tall that to any customer support people for routers,
or Ooma, or Vonage, etc.

I just tell them I have a "modem" and then they're happy.

On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:21:32 +1200, Dave Doe wrote:

might be music files.
I wouldn't call them small (for Bluetooth transfer). Indeed they'd
likely take minutes - each. On WiFi, a handful of seconds.

So who (other than maybe nospam) needs to be done listening to an hour-long
piano concerto in "a handful of seconds" ? Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

In article , tlvp
wrote:


might be music files.
I wouldn't call them small (for Bluetooth transfer). Indeed they'd
likely take minutes - each. On WiFi, a handful of seconds.

So who (other than maybe nospam) needs to be done listening to an hour-long
piano concerto in "a handful of seconds" ? Cheers, -- tlvp

file *transfer* is not the same as listening to it.