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Old May 19th 17, 10:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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Default 3rd phantom language?

I installed a second language on my XP-SP3 netbook and it works fine.
I used the default left-alt-left-shift to change from one language to
the other, and I put the language bar with all features in the taxk
bar.

But it seems that ctrl (or left-ctrl) shift (or right shift) also
causes a change, keys I must hit by accident,** even though the
language indicator in the task bar doesn't change. It shows vowels
with various accents, unrelated as far as any reader can tell to the
letters I want.

Have you heard of this before? Do you know how to stop it?


** At least lft-ctrl/right-shift undoes it, so I'm pretty sure they do
it too.

(It took me quite a while to find out what did undo it. It affects
both Eudora and Agent and until I found the keys, I was forced a
couple times to close the program to reset it.
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Old May 19th 17, 12:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
JJ[_11_]
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Default 3rd phantom language?

On Fri, 19 May 2017 12:43:57 +0300, Micky wrote:
I installed a second language on my XP-SP3 netbook and it works fine.
I used the default left-alt-left-shift to change from one language to
the other, and I put the language bar with all features in the taxk
bar.

But it seems that ctrl (or left-ctrl) shift (or right shift) also
causes a change, keys I must hit by accident,** even though the
language indicator in the task bar doesn't change. It shows vowels
with various accents, unrelated as far as any reader can tell to the
letters I want.

Have you heard of this before? Do you know how to stop it?

** At least lft-ctrl/right-shift undoes it, so I'm pretty sure they do
it too.

(It took me quite a while to find out what did undo it. It affects
both Eudora and Agent and until I found the keys, I was forced a
couple times to close the program to reset it.


Perhaps you're confused about what input language is, in Windows.

Installing an input language is essentially installing a keyboard layout or
Input Method Editor (IME; a software that emulates physical keyboard) for an
input language. An input language may have multiple keyboard layouts. e.g.
English (US) can have: US, and US International; Japanese can have: Japanese
(native keyboard), and Japanese IME.

The default input language switch shortcut LeftShift+LeftAlt switches
between input languages and switches to the first keyboard layout of an
input language if it's not the default keyboard layout for the system. The
Shift+Ctrl shortcut switches between keyboard layouts in the current input
language.

See below screenshot.

http://i.imgur.com/La9a6VU.jpg

So if you have that input language setup, both LeftShift+LeftAlt and
Shift+Ctrl shortcuts will only toggles between two different inputs.

LeftShift+LeftAlt will switch between either US International and German
keyboard layouts, or if US is the default: US and German keyboard layouts.

When English (US) is the current input language, Shift+Ctrl would switch
between US and US International keyboard layouts.

When German (Germany) is the current input language, Shift+Ctrl would switch
between German and UK keyboard layouts.

So, if you think you have a 3rd phantom "language", my guess is that you
have two input languages: one has one keyboard layout, and the other has two
keyboard layouts. So, the only way to access the 3rd keyboard layout
(whichever that is), you'll have to use the Shift+Ctrl shortcut.

Those two keyboard shortcuts' behaviour can't be changed. If you want a
single shortcut to switch between all installed keyboard layouts, you'll
have to use a third party software.
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Old May 19th 17, 02:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Micky
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Default 3rd phantom language?

On Fri, 19 May 2017 18:39:23 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2017 12:43:57 +0300, Micky wrote:
I installed a second language on my XP-SP3 netbook and it works fine.
I used the default left-alt-left-shift to change from one language to
the other, and I put the language bar with all features in the taxk
bar.

But it seems that ctrl (or left-ctrl) shift (or right shift) also
causes a change, keys I must hit by accident,** even though the
language indicator in the task bar doesn't change. It shows vowels
with various accents, unrelated as far as any reader can tell to the
letters I want.

Have you heard of this before? Do you know how to stop it?

** At least lft-ctrl/right-shift undoes it, so I'm pretty sure they do
it too.

(It took me quite a while to find out what did undo it. It affects
both Eudora and Agent and until I found the keys, I was forced a
couple times to close the program to reset it.


Perhaps you're confused about what input language is, in Windows.


Maybe Windows is confused about what to call their windows. It's
called Text Services and Input Languages.

But despite my sarcasm here (suggesting I'm confused will never get a
good response), your answer below is right on point and a big help.
Thank you.

Installing an input language is essentially installing a keyboard layout or
Input Method Editor (IME; a software that emulates physical keyboard) for an
input language. An input language may have multiple keyboard layouts. e.g.
English (US) can have: US, and US International; Japanese can have: Japanese
(native keyboard), and Japanese IME.

The default input language switch shortcut LeftShift+LeftAlt switches
between input languages and switches to the first keyboard layout of an
input language if it's not the default keyboard layout for the system. The
Shift+Ctrl shortcut switches between keyboard layouts in the current input
language.

See below screenshot.

http://i.imgur.com/La9a6VU.jpg

So if you have that input language setup, both LeftShift+LeftAlt and
Shift+Ctrl shortcuts will only toggles between two different inputs.

LeftShift+LeftAlt will switch between either US International and German
keyboard layouts, or if US is the default: US and German keyboard layouts.

When English (US) is the current input language, Shift+Ctrl would switch
between US and US International keyboard layouts.


Indeed there was a second keyboard under English (as well as a second
language with that keyboard). Maybe I put that in years ago because I
sure didn't put it in this month. But swtiching to it just gave
vowels with accent marks ןבבהנ and didn't give the second language
either. So I deleted the second keyboard under English which was
probably installed in error. I was probably going to come back and
finish setting it up, but it's the laptop I rarely use.

When German (Germany) is the current input language, Shift+Ctrl would switch
between German and UK keyboard layouts.

So, if you think you have a 3rd phantom "language", my guess is that you
have two input languages: one has one keyboard layout, and the other has two
keyboard layouts. So, the only way to access the 3rd keyboard layout
(whichever that is), you'll have to use the Shift+Ctrl shortcut.

Those two keyboard shortcuts' behaviour can't be changed. If you want a
single shortcut to switch between all installed keyboard layouts, you'll
have to use a third party software.


No need. Two languages is plenty, though I am disappointed. I
thought I was on my way to learning a third phantom language

Thanks.

One more thing: Both languages have an entry:
Advanced text services
Ink Correction.

I didn't put these in. They sound powerful. Advanced, even. If you
want me to google I will, but I'll bet you're more clear!
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Old May 20th 17, 02:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
JJ[_11_]
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Default 3rd phantom language?

On Fri, 19 May 2017 16:00:09 +0300, Micky wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2017 18:39:23 +0700, JJ wrote:

Perhaps you're confused about what input language is, in Windows.


Maybe Windows is confused about what to call their windows. It's
called Text Services and Input Languages.


That's actually a good point.

One more thing: Both languages have an entry:
Advanced text services
Ink Correction.

I didn't put these in. They sound powerful. Advanced, even. If you
want me to google I will, but I'll bet you're more clear!


I didn't have it when my main system is still XP, but it rings a bell. I did
noticed that a Tablet PC input (system component; not a keyboard layout) was
installed in my XP system, and it did mentioned the word "ink" when it
involves its input. Don't know why though. Maybe it's because Microsoft
developers are drunk when they created it.

Now in my current Windows 7 system, there's a Tablet PC input INKED.DLL file
whose file description is "Microsoft Tablet PC InkEdit Control", and there's
an "Ink" folder under "Microsoft Shared" folder in the program files folder.
And there's a "Tablet PC Input Panel" Start Menu shortcut file whose comment
is:

Quote:
Enter text by using handwriting or a touch keyboard instead of a standard
keyboard. You can use the writing pad or the character pad to convert your
handwriting into typed text or the touch keyboard to enter characters.
Except for the Start menu shortcut file, the existence of that "Ink" folder
is the same in my old XP system.
 




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