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tip: chrome and pdf
On 05/23/2017 07:02 PM, Mike S wrote:
On 5/23/2017 4:55 PM, T wrote: On 05/23/2017 11:48 AM, VanguardLH wrote: T wrote: T wrote: VanguardLH wrote: T wrote: May it is a revision issue, but both computers today had fully updated chromes and open PDF attachments from their eMail directly into Acrobat Reader when I was finished. Maybe check my directions and see if your are doing the same thing? I don't use webmail clients unless both my desktop or smartphone are unavailable. Me too. I can't stand web mail clients. I prefer Firefox over Chrome too, but I will use Chrome when I have to. Firefox has been getting progressively slower, even to load (and I use about:blank as my home page), since version 49. It may have been getting slower before that but the change was small. No, not just me but others I know have also remarked it is getting slower. Mozilla been putzing around with making major changes to catch up on their lag compared to other web browsers: disable plug-ins, discard XUL and go to web extensions (which Chromium uses), toss the menu bar and go to the menu drop-down list (like Chrome), requires signed add-ons, removing options from the config UI requiring to delve into about:config and then discarding the option altogether, and going multi-process (8+ years late) with Electrolysis (e10s) which is more piggish with just 1 process for chrome and 1 for ALL tabs than is Chrome with 1 chrome process and one process for each tab. And they still have their ages old problem that exiting Firefox doesn't necessarily unload all its processes which interferes with the next load of Firefox (less often in their 64-bit version but still happens) -- a problem that I've yet to encounter in Chrome. They are going to change to a different rendering engine: from Gecko to Servo (programmed in Mozilla's Rust language) using WebRender for faster rendering and Quantum to supposedly eliminate conflict with the video driver. They added WebAssembly, an emerging standard from Mozilla. Firefox has recently become and will continue to be for a while a maelstrom of major changes. Rather than dump all that work into Firefox, they should move forward with a new named web browser (well, they should be called web clients since they don't just browse anymore). Google Chrome has flaws, too, but, geez, does it load about:blank faster and every page I go to. Yet Google are such dumbasses regarding usability. I have to install an add-on to make new tabs come to the front (get focus) when clicking on a hyperlink rather than load in the background. I need an add-on to get back using Backspace to move back through history because Google took away that key in v52. Why? Users sometimes lost data in web forms when they mistakeningly hit the Backspace key. That add-on is from Google to return what Google took away. They couldn't be bothered to leave in the code and simply add a user config option to select Backspace or Alt+LeftArrow as the history back action. The add-on will refuse to move back when, for example, there is input in an input element -- so why couldn't they merge that code with what was already in Chrome for the Backspace key mapping? So there are deficiencies and stupidities in Chrome and it has to get locked down and is less configurable than Firefox yet I've had to move to it. I really miss the inbuilt configurability of Firefox but speed is addictive. When I have to use Firefox, geez, wait. I feel like Judy Hopps at the DMV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHVDN3M_hc8). I thought it must be just me until I started hearing more coworkers, friends, and other users complaining about Firefox getting slower. Yeah, I've tried all the troubleshooting: name something and I've done it. In the past, Firefox has had ups and down with performance but they've been temporary. This has been worse since about Oct 2016 so it's not just a momentary hiccup, and more severe changes are coming. Hi Vanguard, I have a secret weapon to speed up Chrome and Firefox. It is an extension called "ublock orgin". Makes a YUGE difference. I haven't noticed Firefox slowing down, but then again I am using the Linux version. The first start of the day is slow, but then it caches up in memory and starts in about 1-1/2 seconds after that. My Windows customer usually start Firefox (and Chrome) and leave it running all day, so not much of an issue. When I set up a new Chrome or Firefox, the first thing I do it to enable the bookmark tool bar and install uBlock Orgin. On Firefox, I altv and turn on the Menu Bar and Toolbar. Then I customize the menu and add the book barm star, the side bar icons and the printer icon, then remove the weird media icons. I also remove the search bar. I also install the "tabs on bottom" extension. The search bar is a pain in my ass. You would never believe how many of my customers do not know what the address bar is. They search for 100% of everything. And since the address bar can also be used as a search bar, I remove the address bar. Tip: have then press f6 a bunch of times and see what flashes at you. "enter 'fastsupport.com' into the address bar" "which one do you want me to pick? There are hundred of them here" "you put it in the search bar instead of the address bar, didn't you." "no. what's an address bar? I don't have one" Tip: `helpme.net` is linked to fast support and is far easier to enter than `fastsupport.com`. Far less typos. Had a lady using Chrome with a 70 MBit/sec Cable modem complaining of a slow Internet connection. She was looking up interior decorating items: tiling, flooring, curtains, the whole nine yards. I got suspicious and installed uBlock Orgin. I blew her away. I noticed that one of the sites she had to using had something like 240 hits on uBlock. Geez, no wonder she was so slow. Running junkware removers also helps. -T Total agreement on uBlock Origin, awesome plugin. The only one I have found that can not be bribed around |
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tip: chrome and pdf
On 2017-05-22 18:59, T wrote:
[snip] My Notes: How to manage plugins in Chrome now that `aboutlugins` has been depreciated, PDF Reader, Flash, etc.: -- Settings ( â‹® ) -- Show advanced settings -- Privacy -- Content settings PDF is at the bottom PRIVACY! The settings for handling MIME types is under PRIVACY! Sometimes man! We get the same nonsense in the new Win10 settings app. Thanks for the tip, I've "starred" your message (I haven't used Chrome yet, but it's on the ToDo list, just so I can support it later). Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society oO-( )-Oo "All right, evil-doer, SUCK - fthoop - sushi?" -Darkwing |
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tip: chrome and pdf
On 05/23/2017 08:47 PM, B00ze wrote:
On 2017-05-22 18:59, T wrote: [snip] My Notes: How to manage plugins in Chrome now that `aboutlugins` has been depreciated, PDF Reader, Flash, etc.: -- Settings ( â‹® ) -- Show advanced settings -- Privacy -- Content settings PDF is at the bottom PRIVACY! The settings for handling MIME types is under PRIVACY! Sometimes man! We get the same nonsense in the new Win10 settings app. Thanks for the tip, I've "starred" your message (I haven't used Chrome yet, but it's on the ToDo list, just so I can support it later). Regards, Ya, I thought that was weird too. |
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T wrote:
I have a secret weapon to speed up Chrome and Firefox. It is an extension called "ublock orgin". Makes a YUGE difference. Actually you get both speedup and slowdown. I have both uBlock Origin and uMatrix. I configured uMatrix to only block off-domain scripts but it is much more handy than NoScript. The adblockers have to update themselves. No, I'm not talking about code updates. I'm talking about those blacklist updates. They have to connect to their DNSBL source to retrieve a newer version of the blacklists. The more blacklists you have, the more source to which they have to connect to get more blacklists. The downloads are quick but they will impede the loading of the web browser. I went to uBlock Origin because Adblock Plus was slower to load. That was awhile ago. Adblock was slow because of some fault is design by Mozilla in Firefox. When Mozilla made a change, Adblock Plus got a lot faster to load itself (but the blacklists still take time). While have a page not connect to external sources for ads, the purpose of adblockers is to break the code in the page. This can result in the content that you do want to see getting screwed up. It takes time for you to decide what off-domain or restricted content to allow and which scripts to allow at a minimum to get a page to work. So all the small time you saved to load the unwanted content is offset by all the time you spent configuring the adblocker. I suspect if someone were to measure how much time we spend configuring the adblocker versus how much time we wait for a page to render, we adblocking users are probably losing time. However, for those of use willing to expend the effort, we get better privacy and less noise to bother with in the pages. There is time to load the adblocker. There is time for it to get updated blacklists. Even in parallel, your CPU and network can only do so much. The breakage caused by adblockers and users having to configure the adblocker to minimally unbreak a page overshadows the time spent loading a site many many times. But getting rid of the noise isn't the only reason to use an adblocker. The more add-ons you install, the more memory you consume. With multi-process web browsers, each add-on has another instance loaded in the tab process. If you open 10 tabs and have 10 processes for each tab, you load 10 instances of add-on 1, 10 instances of add-on 2, and so on. You can end up consuming so much memory with a deluge of add-ons that your web browser will get slow and sometimes very slow. You may even end up having to use the slow pagefile. I try to keep my add-ons to a minimum but still have about half a dozen in each web browser. Some users have a dozen add-ons or even a lot more. Some add-ons are small (there is a minimum size under which an add-on will not consume less) but some are large. Think of like having to drag more luggage at the airport: the more bags you have to drag along the more you get fatigued with the added weight. I haven't noticed Firefox slowing down, but then again I am using the Linux version. The first start of the day is slow, but then it caches up in memory and starts in about 1-1/2 seconds after that. Firefox has not gotten slow only to load it. It is also slower to render web pages. Folks that load Firefox and leave it loaded and spend most of their time at one site (and even on one page even if dynamic), like for webmail, won't notice the slowdown. Loading Firefox, using it, and unloading it when you do other work (yes, there is more than the web) and doing so over and over during the day will make you realize Firefox loads slower. If you bounce between LOTS of sites or load lots of pages from each during each Firefox session, you'll notice it takes longer than with Chrome. There is also the considering of HTML5 compatibility. They've all been grandually improving but Chrome still leads. That doesn't mean us users really appreciate everything new in HTML5 but maybe something we want that requires HTML5 won't work in Firefox or behave odd. Try going to speedtest.net and do a test while watching the dial hands move around. With Chrome, the hands are smooth and there are no remnants. In Firefox, you'll see fragments of prior screen paints so the dial arms look jagged and there are remnant stubs of it left in the display. Note: This was before that site switched to the beta site which is now forced on Chrome visitors (the link to their legacy site just bounces me back to the beta site, probably due to some boob there using meta-refresh or the location header incorrectly). Their legacy site used Flash. You would think the same Flash content in Chrome would show the same as in Firefox. Some web browsers are better at rendering content than others. Chrome is better than Firefox. My Windows customer usually start Firefox (and Chrome) and leave it running all day, so not much of an issue. The search bar is a pain in my ass. You would never believe how many of my customers do not know what the address bar is. They search for 100% of everything. And since the address bar can also be used as a search bar, I remove the address bar. So you render the web browser useless to customers that want to specify where they go rather than have to rely on bookmarks or hyperlinks. If someone tells them over the phone to go to, say, forum.avast.com then how are they going to get there? Tip: have then press f6 a bunch of times and see what flashes at you. I don't use hotkeys to then have an address bar into which I can manually input a URL. Just like I, like you, keep the menu bar displayed so I don't have to use the Alt key to see it. "enter 'fastsupport.com' into the address bar" "which one do you want me to pick? There are hundred of them here" Just one for me. The address bar does not have to be an omnibox (i.e., include searches). Just turn that off in options. In Firefox, uncheck the Options - Search category - Provide search suggestions. In Google Chrome, I think it's the chrome://settings - Advanced link - Privacy section - Use a prediction service to help complete searches and URLs in the address bar. Had a lady using Chrome with a 70 MBit/sec Cable modem complaining of a slow Internet connection. She was looking up interior decorating items: tiling, flooring, curtains, the whole nine yards. I got suspicious and installed uBlock Orgin. I blew her away. I noticed that one of the sites she had to using had something like 240 hits on uBlock. Geez, no wonder she was so slow. Yes, there are extreme sites with off-domain content. In this case, blocking the unwanted content sped up the page faster than the time to load the add-on and update its blacklist(s). Running junkware removers also helps. Not installing helps more. 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tip: chrome and pdf
On Wed, 24 May 2017 04:07:17 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: I have a secret weapon to speed up Chrome and Firefox. It is an extension called "ublock orgin". Makes a YUGE difference. Actually you get both speedup and slowdown. I have both uBlock Origin and uMatrix. I configured uMatrix to only block off-domain scripts but it is much more handy than NoScript. The adblockers have to update themselves. No, I'm not talking about code updates. I'm talking about those blacklist updates. They have to connect to their DNSBL source to retrieve a newer version of the blacklists. The more blacklists you have, the more source to which they have to connect to get more blacklists. The downloads are quick but they will impede the loading of the web browser. I went to uBlock Origin because Adblock Plus was slower to load. That was awhile ago. Adblock was slow because of some fault is design by Mozilla in Firefox. When Mozilla made a change, Adblock Plus got a lot faster to load itself (but the blacklists still take time). While have a page not connect to external sources for ads, the purpose of adblockers is to break the code in the page. This can result in the content that you do want to see getting screwed up. It takes time for you to decide what off-domain or restricted content to allow and which scripts to allow at a minimum to get a page to work. So all the small time you saved to load the unwanted content is offset by all the time you spent configuring the adblocker. About once or twice a year, I run into a site that says "Hey, we see that you're using an ad blocker. Please disable it if you want to see our content." At that point, I either use the "disable on this page" option, or I temporarily disable the whole ad blocker, or I simply browse away from that site. What I don't do is spend time configuring the ad blocker to try to get a page to load properly, as you described above. -- Char Jackson |
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 24 May 2017 04:07:17 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: T wrote: I have a secret weapon to speed up Chrome and Firefox. It is an extension called "ublock orgin". Makes a YUGE difference. Actually you get both speedup and slowdown. I have both uBlock Origin and uMatrix. I configured uMatrix to only block off-domain scripts but it is much more handy than NoScript. The adblockers have to update themselves. No, I'm not talking about code updates. I'm talking about those blacklist updates. They have to connect to their DNSBL source to retrieve a newer version of the blacklists. The more blacklists you have, the more source to which they have to connect to get more blacklists. The downloads are quick but they will impede the loading of the web browser. I went to uBlock Origin because Adblock Plus was slower to load. That was awhile ago. Adblock was slow because of some fault is design by Mozilla in Firefox. When Mozilla made a change, Adblock Plus got a lot faster to load itself (but the blacklists still take time). While have a page not connect to external sources for ads, the purpose of adblockers is to break the code in the page. This can result in the content that you do want to see getting screwed up. It takes time for you to decide what off-domain or restricted content to allow and which scripts to allow at a minimum to get a page to work. So all the small time you saved to load the unwanted content is offset by all the time you spent configuring the adblocker. About once or twice a year, I run into a site that says "Hey, we see that you're using an ad blocker. Please disable it if you want to see our content." Any site can determine if you do or do not retrieve their content. Even for off-domain content, databases are shared so they can see if you visited the other domain to retrieve content from there when visiting their web page. There are some blocklists that try to unbreak those pages that will break when an adblocker is used. I don't bother trying to unbreak a page that refuses to give me content because they detected that I am not retrieving all their content. I go somewhere else. Yes, they get revenue from those ads to help offset the cost of their web site. However, even for sites selling commercialware where overhead should include the cost of a web site, they still push out ads. Someone can put flyers in my mailbox, too, but that doesn't mean that I have to read it. At that point, I either use the "disable on this page" option, or I temporarily disable the whole ad blocker, or I simply browse away from that site. What I don't do is spend time configuring the ad blocker to try to get a page to load properly, as you described above. With those "you are using an adblocker" who then refuse to deliver some or all of their content to you, trying to figure out what to allow is a waste of time. They can easily cooperate with all other domains for their ad/off-domain content to see if you retrieved it or not. They may not bother tracking if you visited their Google Analytics account when you visit their web site but just their revenue-generating off-domain content. They could deliver all that off-domain content through their own domain. They would pipe the content through their server to deliver to you. Then all that off-domain content becomes on-domain content and much less likely to get blocked. However, that means more bandwidth for them. If they can redirect to off-domain content then that portion of the bandwidth is handled by that other domain instead of the one that you visited. So they are going chinzy on bandwidth and its costs to have more to handle their current load of visitors by dumping some of that bandwidth to their advertizers. Also, if the content came solely from them then they would responsible for their content. When it comes from elsewhere, they can indemnify themselves because, gee, it wasn't theirs. The web sites shot themselves in their own collective foot. If they had not allowed for off-domain content and instead piped it through their own domain's server, if they monitored that content and even neutered it to prevent "leaks", like scripts or windows running outside the allocated frame for an ad, disabled animation and sound, preventing interspersing it with their content (e.g., ads that are inline to the articles), and other asshole tricks then users would not have ever bothered with blockers. It is because they became rude and noisy that users chose to use blinders and ear plugs. When a site says they refuse to provide their content when they detect a blocker, well, that's because they are a rude site. Polite sites don't have problems with blockers. I'm not against seeing any ads. I'm against seeing rude and noisy content that interferes with the content that I do want to see at a site. |
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:25:39 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2017 04:07:17 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: T wrote: I have a secret weapon to speed up Chrome and Firefox. It is an extension called "ublock orgin". Makes a YUGE difference. Actually you get both speedup and slowdown. I have both uBlock Origin and uMatrix. I configured uMatrix to only block off-domain scripts but it is much more handy than NoScript. The adblockers have to update themselves. No, I'm not talking about code updates. I'm talking about those blacklist updates. They have to connect to their DNSBL source to retrieve a newer version of the blacklists. The more blacklists you have, the more source to which they have to connect to get more blacklists. The downloads are quick but they will impede the loading of the web browser. I went to uBlock Origin because Adblock Plus was slower to load. That was awhile ago. Adblock was slow because of some fault is design by Mozilla in Firefox. When Mozilla made a change, Adblock Plus got a lot faster to load itself (but the blacklists still take time). While have a page not connect to external sources for ads, the purpose of adblockers is to break the code in the page. This can result in the content that you do want to see getting screwed up. It takes time for you to decide what off-domain or restricted content to allow and which scripts to allow at a minimum to get a page to work. So all the small time you saved to load the unwanted content is offset by all the time you spent configuring the adblocker. About once or twice a year, I run into a site that says "Hey, we see that you're using an ad blocker. Please disable it if you want to see our content." Any site can determine if you do or do not retrieve their content. Yes, obviously, but the vast majority of my visited sites don't complain about it. At that point, I either use the "disable on this page" option, or I temporarily disable the whole ad blocker, or I simply browse away from that site. What I don't do is spend time configuring the ad blocker to try to get a page to load properly, as you described above. With those "you are using an adblocker" who then refuse to deliver some or all of their content to you, trying to figure out what to allow is a waste of time. Agreed, which I sort of implied above. Rather than figure it out, I simply decide if I want the content or not and then take action accordingly. -- Char Jackson |
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:25:39 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
There are some blocklists that try to unbreak those pages that will break when an adblocker is used. I don't bother trying to unbreak a page that refuses to give me content because they detected that I am not retrieving all their content. I go somewhere else. Especially because it's not _their_ content. It's the content of third parties, some of whom could well be, not to put too fine a point on it, not entirely trustworthy. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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