OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed

Here is another post sent both to the XP and 10 groups.

I'm using XP while on this trip, which ends Sunday, but I have the
very strong feelling that this problem will apply to XP and 10 and
everything in between, and probably win11 and 12 too.

To be fair, it's probably a mozilla browser problem, and maybe I'll
ask there when I get home and have a different Usenet setup, but you
folks should know about it in advance so you don't get caught up short
like I was. Scattered parts of the story relate to Android -- not
too much, but I included youse guys anyhow.



The problem: Webpages from google maps in satellite view saved in Sea
Monkey or Firefox^^ cannot be displayed again as they were saved.
Long story but you can skip to **** to read the punch line. ^^Save
Page, or Save Page As -- ctrl-S

During my vacation tirip, I was looking for a road on the side of a
hill in the middle of the countryside that I saw from a distance 27
years ago, that I was told a story about at that time, and that I then
found on google satellite view after I got home. On my first try two
weeks ago, I just went by memory, and the fact that the road was a
bright white concrete highway (that was abandoned after it was built),
and I drove about 2 miles on rocky dirt roads near the base of the
hill, but couldn't find the road!

I had my laptop with me, but no internet cable or wifi existed on the
road I was on or in this area I had google maps on my Android phone
and I had preloaded the map, but what I didn't realize is that that is
only the map. If you want satellite view, you need a live internet
connection, and even though I had bought a data plan, I had also
bought the wrong phone and I didnt' have the right frequency for 3G,
and insteadl of just taking longer, it seems to always get tired of
waiting for 2G and it gives up entirely. There is also, it seems,
no way to preload the satellite view of google maps to have it when
out of Internet range. Either on the phone or on a laptop. (It is
possible to buy a mobile (cellular) router (Mifi) but I probably would
have gotten the wrong frequency there too.)

****
So I went back to where I was staying, 2 hours away, and I used Sea
Monkey/Google maps/satellite view to find the area again. I drew
myself a paper map based on that, but then I had the great idea to
Save As the webpage. I saved about 10 different views, some zoomed
in, some zoomed out, And then I went back to that hill with the
laptop and when I got there I brought up the views and they were all
totally black. I thought I had fouled up so I drove a mile to, of all
places, a McDonald's that was still closed at 9AM but their wifi
worked. I carry a pillow that I put between the steering wheel and me
and it makes it easy to use the laptop. I brought up Firefox and
found the same views, saved them, and then displayed them in my
default browswer, Sea Monkey, still all black. So I displayed them in
Firefox. Still all black. I did not try the fourth possibility, to
display in Firefox those saved with Sea Monkey, but i'm sure it
wouldn't not work either.

So why doesn't it work? And how does one make it work?

My versions of both Sea Monkey and Firefox are less than 3 months old.

Surely win10 won't do a better job of this than XP does.

Finally I remembered the paper map and I drove my tiny rented Kia for
200 yards on a road that was mostly grass and wheat stubble, another
200 yards up a hill where the grass was 2 feet high between the tires,
until the car pushed it down, and another 400 yards up a steeper rocky
dirt road before I looked down and noticed the dirt road was bright
while. And that was the road I was looking for. It had never been a
paved road, only a dirt road, seen from a couple miles away.

So I turned around and did something else for the rest of the day.

On 5/24/2017 7:34 AM, Micky wrote:
he problem: Webpages from google maps in satellite view saved in Sea
Monkey or Firefox^^ cannot be displayed again as they were saved.
Long story but you can skip to **** to read the punch line. ^^Save
Page, or Save Page As -- ctrl-S

When I do that in Windows 10 FF 53 I get a blank screen when I reload
the HTML document with the Wireless turned off. I assumed the problem
was that a google map was more of a "Live" display that the static
display of an HTML document.

In similar situations I have got the view that I want by using the
Screen Capture. I usually do several ( wide, near and close up), and
save each view as a jpg. In this way regardless of where I need the
information it is always available. It has the further benefit that in
an image processing program I can add lines, arrows, and text to help
fined what I was viewing. ie street address, picture, etc

I have also had limited success in using Google Earth instead of the
browser based Google Maps. Earth caches the data you use when you look
at a map, so for the area you last visited you have the images when you
work off line.


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On Wed, 24 May 2017 14:34:07 +0300, Micky wrote:

And how does one make it work?

You *don't* "make it work". You do something else, that *does* work: e.g.,
a screen scrape. For the whole screen, press Shift-PrtScr, or for just the
active window, Alt-PrtScr; then open up your favorite graphic editor
(Paint, even), and paste what you captured into it, and save.

Don't like screen scrapes? OK, print the page you're looking at to a PDF
printer. Gets you a PDF file you can see in Adobe, or any other PDF reader.

Anyway, in what file format were you doing your Save As? .XPS? (That's a
MS-selected "default" printer that I've not been able to remove as default.
Dreadful choice, if that, for it tries to take you back to the web page you
were looking at before it can show you anything at all (in my unpleasant
experiences with it).

Cheers, -- tlvp
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You *don't* "make it work". You do something else, that *does* work: e.g.,
a screen scrape. For the whole screen, press Shift-PrtScr, or for just the
active window, Alt-PrtScr; then open up your favorite graphic editor
(Paint, even), and paste what you captured into it, and save.
[]
+1 on Alt-PrtScr, since lots of people seem not to know about it.

But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from
PrtScr on its own?
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On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from
PrtScr on its own?

I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or
maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the
keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the
whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems
I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically.

OK? Cheers, -- tlvp
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Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

In message , tlvp
writes:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from
PrtScr on its own?

I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or
maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the
keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the
whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems
I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically.

OK? Cheers, -- tlvp

Yes; I just wondered! Thanks for coming back.
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On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:21:09 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , tlvp
writes:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from
PrtScr on its own?

I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or
maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the
keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the
whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems
I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically.

OK? Cheers, -- tlvp

Yes; I just wondered! Thanks for coming back.

YvW. BTW, have you any idea what that SysRq function should be? 30 years at
this and I've still not yet come to grips with that :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
--
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In message , tlvp
writes:
On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:21:09 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , tlvp
writes:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from
PrtScr on its own?

I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or
maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the
keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the
whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems
I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically.

OK? Cheers, -- tlvp

Yes; I just wondered! Thanks for coming back.

YvW. BTW, have you any idea what that SysRq function should be? 30 years at
this and I've still not yet come to grips with that :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp

No! Well, _any_ idea - I've always had a vague feeling it - like the
"Pause" on the key next to it - was (is?) something to do with serial
communications (on RS232 or even its predecessor).
--
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/Guardian/. There are some parts of the universe where it's harder to get hold
of. - Peter Capaldi (current incumbent Doctor), RT 2016/11/26-12/2

On Sat, 27 May 2017 02:10:38 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

"Pause" on the key next to it - was (is?) something to do with serial
communications

That certainly yes -- Pause delivered an X_off byte ^S to stop data flow,
and I then had to push ^Q to resume it (mnemonic: "Quontinue"), when doing
modem communications in a Comm's program on a PC.

Break, instead, drew the modem line down, to signal a total stop, to break
the comm's connection.

These days, I think, those keys'll still do that, if you've got
communications over a modem being controlled in a terminal program, but few
even among us geezers have occasion to use proper dial-up modems any more.

But SysRq? ??? :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
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On Sat, 27 May 2017 01:23:41 -0400, tlvp wrote:

"Pause" on the key next to it - was (is?) something to do with serial
communications

That certainly yes -- Pause delivered an X_off byte ^S to stop data flow,
and I then had to push ^Q to resume it (mnemonic: "Quontinue"), when doing
modem communications in a Comm's program on a PC.

Break, instead, drew the modem line down, to signal a total stop, to break
the comm's connection.

These days, I think, those keys'll still do that, if you've got
communications over a modem being controlled in a terminal program, but few
even among us geezers have occasion to use proper dial-up modems any more.

But SysRq? ??? :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp

You could Google it;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_request

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On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:57:12 -0400, tlvp
wrote:

On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:21:09 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , tlvp
writes:
On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from
PrtScr on its own?

I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or
maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the
keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the
whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems
I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically.

OK? Cheers, -- tlvp

Yes; I just wondered! Thanks for coming back.

YvW. BTW, have you any idea what that SysRq function should be? 30 years at
this and I've still not yet come to grips with that :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp

Everyone knows you've got to go along to get along, and you have to
know how to play the system. So once you're in good witth the
system, you can make a request, and pushing that key is how you do it.

Pause OTOH, besides the things mentioned, will stop a dos command or a
bat file, at least in places where it can be stopped. I've done it
once but I don't remember what command was running.

On Sat, 27 May 2017 07:04:49 +0100 (BST), "Rodney Pont"
wrote:

On Sat, 27 May 2017 01:23:41 -0400, tlvp wrote:

"Pause" on the key next to it - was (is?) something to do with serial
communications

That certainly yes -- Pause delivered an X_off byte ^S to stop data flow,
and I then had to push ^Q to resume it (mnemonic: "Quontinue"), when doing
modem communications in a Comm's program on a PC.

Break, instead, drew the modem line down, to signal a total stop, to break
the comm's connection.

These days, I think, those keys'll still do that, if you've got
communications over a modem being controlled in a terminal program, but few
even among us geezers have occasion to use proper dial-up modems any more.

But SysRq? ??? :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp

You could Google it;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_request

Harumph. I'd rather speculate.

In message , tlvp
writes:
[]
That certainly yes -- Pause delivered an X_off byte ^S to stop data flow,
and I then had to push ^Q to resume it (mnemonic: "Quontinue"), when doing
modem communications in a Comm's program on a PC.
[]
Ah, your mnemonic takes me back - to instructions for a VERY old
terminal; I think it must have been a mechanical teletype keyboard, that
_didn't have a delete key_: you typed shift O to delete. (So it must
have been upper-case only, too, with the shift key being like a control
or function key.) The instructions instructed one to think "O, shift" if
one made a mistake; the penny didn't drop for me until some time after
reading it (-:!
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In message , Micky
writes:
[]
Pause OTOH, besides the things mentioned, will stop a dos command or a
bat file, at least in places where it can be stopped. I've done it
once but I don't remember what command was running.

Ah, I'd forgotten - or didn't know - about it stopping those. The one
place I've found it useful is that (I don't know about modern ones, but)
it stops booting, so you can have a look at the BIOS boot information -
e. g. to see if this time it is going to see that drive that it
sometimes doesn't ...
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"Does Barbie come with Ken?"
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On Sat, 27 May 2017 11:22:47 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


Ah, your mnemonic takes me back - to instructions for a VERY old
terminal; I think it must have been a mechanical teletype keyboard, that
_didn't have a delete key_: you typed shift O to delete. (So it must
have been upper-case only, too, with the shift key being like a control
or function key.) The instructions instructed one to think "O, shift" if
one made a mistake; the penny didn't drop for me until some time after
reading it (-:!


LOL! I must have used the same terminal long ago, but I didn't
remember this at all.