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On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:57:35 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

Most of these programs are years old, but in a Win7 group people are
obviously happy running obsolete software.


It is NOT obsolete if it still performs the tasks I want to perform.

Mate, your OS is about five versions behind the current one and
running out of support time.

In message , mechanic
writes:
On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:57:35 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

Most of these programs are years old, but in a Win7 group people are
obviously happy running obsolete software.


It is NOT obsolete if it still performs the tasks I want to perform.

Mate, your OS is about five versions behind the current one and
running out of support time.

1. "Mate", are you really one of those people who only uses things while
mummy holds your hand (AKA "in support")?

2. If so, why are you reading and posting in this 'group? (OK, it's
still "in support" for now, but as you say not fir much longer [as is
the case with _any_ Windows]; I'd have thought a "support junkie" would
have seen the writing on the wall and left.)

3. You've totally ignored what David said: if it does what he wants it
to do, it's not obsolete. Someone else gave an example of something that
arguably is - some compiler that can't handle modern processors. (Some
would say even that isn't - you just don't use modern processors. But
that's perhaps a more flaky argument than whether W7 is "obsolete".)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

science is not intended to be foolproof. Science is about crawling toward the
truth over time. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 10:25:39 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

"Mate", are you really one of those people who only uses things
while mummy holds your hand (AKA "in support")?

Yup, dropping out of support means you're stuck with the status quo,
no more updates, security fixes, new features. Windows only fully
support two versions, the current one (that would be Win10 Creator)
and the previous one (that would be Win10 Anniversary Edition).

In message , mechanic
writes:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 10:25:39 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

"Mate", are you really one of those people who only uses things
while mummy holds your hand (AKA "in support")?

Yup, dropping out of support means you're stuck with the status quo,
no more updates, security fixes, new features. Windows only fully

New features like non-optional updates, total spying, ...

Basically, with a _few_ exceptions, Windows and the PCs that run it/them
passed the ability to do all I (and a significant proportion of others)
want it/them to do, some years ago, so the hardware and OS vendors are
in a bit of difficulty (compared to the situation before that point). To
_some_ extent I sympathise with them, but that sympathy _is_ limited by
the behaviour of some of them - probably all of them, at varying times -
over my (adult, at least) lifetime.

Basically, their market is now:
replacement of failed hardware (genuine, though there is _some_
suspicion that quality isn't what it was)
support of genuine new uses (mostly in the portable area -
tablets, 'phones, etc.)
scaremongering over security (_some_ is genuine, but ...)
_deliberate_ obsolescence, of hardware or software

The time when everyone [FSVO everyone (-:] bought a new PC (with a new
copy of Windows) every three to five years _because it could do so much
more than the last one_ is long gone. Therefore the vendors have to be
more and more inventive in thinking of reasons to persuade us to buy. As
I've said, genuinely new things to do with computing equipment are still
being thought of (I mean mass market, not just scientific) - mostly in
the fobile moan and similar areas though. I can't think of much new that
_I_ want to do with a desktop/laptop/netbook that I couldn't five or ten
years ago - and most of the things I _can_ think of involve development
of the _network_ (information supply), rather than the hardware or
software.

support two versions, the current one (that would be Win10 Creator)
and the previous one (that would be Win10 Anniversary Edition).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Now, don't worry. We'll be right behind you. Hiding. (First series, fit the
sixth.)

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 16:05:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Therefore the vendors have to be more and more inventive in
thinking of reasons to persuade us to buy.

MSFT are ahead of you there, once on the Win10 train, updates are
free (at least for the time being).

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:52:10 +0100, mechanic wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 16:05:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Therefore the vendors have to be more and more inventive in
thinking of reasons to persuade us to buy.

MSFT are ahead of you there, once on the Win10 train, updates are
free (at least for the time being).

Yes, just as a cold is free when someone sneezes on you.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:52:10 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 16:05:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Therefore the vendors have to be more and more inventive in
thinking of reasons to persuade us to buy.

MSFT are ahead of you there, once on the Win10 train, updates are
free (at least for the time being).

Win10 train is a good way to look at it. The train goes where 'they'
want it to go, and it travels at the speed at which 'they' want to
travel. Consumers are just passengers.

That's pretty much why I don't have any Win10 systems in the house. I'm
not ready to be a passenger on someone else's train.

--

Char Jackson

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 13:55:48 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 10:25:39 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

"Mate", are you really one of those people who only uses things
while mummy holds your hand (AKA "in support")?

Yup, dropping out of support means you're stuck with the status quo,
no more updates, security fixes, new features.

OK, but what are the cons? ;-)

Seriously, compared to the experiment that is Windows 10, the things you
listed are definite benefits of staying with Windows 7. Even Win 8.1,
once it's tamed to behave like 7, is far more preferable than 10.

--

Char Jackson

On 30/04/2017 18:13, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm not ready to be a passenger on someone else's train.

You are using the Internet, so you are ALREADY a passenger! ;-)

--
"Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer)

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:30:47 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

On 30/04/2017 18:13, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm not ready to be a passenger on someone else's train.

You are using the Internet, so you are ALREADY a passenger! ;-)

How so?

--

Char Jackson

On 30/04/2017 21:28, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:30:47 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

On 30/04/2017 18:13, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm not ready to be a passenger on someone else's train.

You are using the Internet, so you are ALREADY a passenger! ;-)

How so?

I feel fairly sure that I read somewhere you claim that you had been on
Usenet - on-line - since 1984. You were pretty much at the forefront of
things if what you say is true.

Seriously, I was delighted to find you he-

https://www.linkedin.com/in/charjackson/

I had no idea at all that you were female. I would have expected you to
look older than your photograph portrays. Mind you, it has been
suggested to me recently that not ALL detail provided by LinkedIn is
factual. Did YOU know that?

--
"Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer)

On Mon, 1 May 2017 09:02:19 +0100, David B. wrote:

I feel fairly sure that I read somewhere you claim that you had
been on Usenet - on-line - since 1984. You were pretty much at
the forefront of things if what you say is true.

Seriously, I was delighted to find you he-

https://www.linkedin.com/in/charjackson/

Sure you got the right one? Linkedin lists several.

In message , Stan Brown
writes:
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:52:10 +0100, mechanic wrote:

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 16:05:10 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Therefore the vendors have to be more and more inventive in
thinking of reasons to persuade us to buy.

MSFT are ahead of you there, once on the Win10 train, updates are
free (at least for the time being).

I was going to say "yes, including the final one that turns it off (or
at least no longer allows it to use the internet)", but ...

Yes, just as a cold is free when someone sneezes on you.

.... I like Stan's version better (-:.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

As for cooking, what a bore that is. It's such a faff, thinking of what to
have, buying it and cooking it and clearing up, then all you do is eat it -
and have to start all over again next day. Hunter Davies, RT 2017/2/4-10

Char Jackson
Sun, 30 Apr 2017
20:28:26 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:30:47 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

On 30/04/2017 18:13, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm not ready to be a passenger on someone else's train.

You are using the Internet, so you are ALREADY a passenger! ;-)

How so?


Anticipate stalking efforts. But, I suspect you know that already.

Here's a few examples describing him:

MID:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149364015400

He's a tedious, paranoid, monomaniacal, k00ky, ****witted, malicious
troll. It really would be better if you didn't feed his pathetic
craving for attention.

MID:
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=149364022500

My stalker is one of the sorriest individuals I have ever encountered
in my life. He starts rattling his gums without having any knowledge
of what he is talking about in an attempt at making himself appear to
be clever or Whittier than others, only to make himself look as a
fool.




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I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.

mechanic
Mon, 01 May 2017 10:40:30 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Mon, 1 May 2017 09:02:19 +0100, David B. wrote:

I feel fairly sure that I read somewhere you claim that you had
been on Usenet - on-line - since 1984. You were pretty much at
the forefront of things if what you say is true.

Seriously, I was delighted to find you he-

https://www.linkedin.com/in/charjackson/

Sure you got the right one? Linkedin lists several.


Please don't encourage his stalking efforts.


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I would like to apologize for not having offended you yet.
Please be patient. I will get to you shortly.