Removing Roxio

philo wrote:
The driver that Windows blocked due to "possible instability" was
cdr4_2k.sys


If I remove the file from system32/drivers the machine boots up with no
error message but the DVD is not working nor does it show up in windows
explorer...so I had to put it back.


The other day I found a Vista machine in the junk pile so I have another
Vista system to compare it to and it does not have the same drivers.


the only common driver is cdrom.sys


Since I expect to use Vista very rarely I guess I'll just live with the
error message.


I still am curious as to how windows actually loads those drivers


This sounds like an UpperFilter/LowerFilter.

The registry probably contains references to each filter driver.
So somewhere it says "stuff cdr4_2k.sys above the driver, when you
see this particular GUID".

What you would want to research/Google, is the "filter drivers that break
CD/DVD burning", as it's the same sort of problem.

*******

This is an example, to give you some breadcrumbs to work with.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-windows-vista

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}

There are several ControlSets. The CurrentControlSet is the one in the
current session. Other control sets exist, presumably to support
features such as "Last Known Good". Do not edit the wrong
control set, if you expect immediate improvements in some
situation.

The GUIDs, there are many of them. Only one alphanumeric value
corresponds to a CD/DVD drive.

4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318

If you Google on that value, you will find a long list of
very similar looking values. for example, one value belongs
to HID devices (keyboards). If you mistakenly edit the wrong
one, you can kill your keyboard input, instantly.

Um, have fun :-)

All I'm suggesting, is do a few checks that you're modifying the
correct one, before you "pull the trigger". When I'm doing stuff
like this, I usually have a backup copy of C: prepared, ready to
fix it. As I keep my C: relatively small, and no backup of
C: takes more than 10 minutes. Some only take 3-4 minutes
to complete the backup. It's a short delay, before the hackery
can begin.

*******

devcon or devcon64 can be used to print out the filters
currently in place. However, it's a royal pain to find
a copy of devcon64, and really, the regular Device Manager
should have all this stuff.

Now, since I don't have my USB optical burner turned on right
now, a check for filters on my keyboard, is going to have to
suffice. In this example, you can see my keyboard has no filter
driver installed. Using "Properties" and "Details", you can
check lots of stuff that devcon could have printed out for you.

https://s13.postimg.org/tbzu457rr/de...lter_check.gif

So in that example, I know my keyboard has no UpperFilter.

Your optical drive, should have a value in the lower pane.

Just a guess,
Paul

On 05/16/2017 09:25 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
The driver that Windows blocked due to "possible instability" was
cdr4_2k.sys


If I remove the file from system32/drivers the machine boots up with
no error message but the DVD is not working nor does it show up in
windows explorer...so I had to put it back.


The other day I found a Vista machine in the junk pile so I have
another Vista system to compare it to and it does not have the same
drivers.


the only common driver is cdrom.sys


Since I expect to use Vista very rarely I guess I'll just live with
the error message.


I still am curious as to how windows actually loads those drivers


This sounds like an UpperFilter/LowerFilter.

The registry probably contains references to each filter driver.
So somewhere it says "stuff cdr4_2k.sys above the driver, when you
see this particular GUID".

What you would want to research/Google, is the "filter drivers that break
CD/DVD burning", as it's the same sort of problem.

*******

This is an example, to give you some breadcrumbs to work with.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-windows-vista



HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Class\{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}


There are several ControlSets. The CurrentControlSet is the one in the
current session. Other control sets exist, presumably to support
features such as "Last Known Good". Do not edit the wrong
control set, if you expect immediate improvements in some
situation.

The GUIDs, there are many of them. Only one alphanumeric value
corresponds to a CD/DVD drive.

4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318

If you Google on that value, you will find a long list of
very similar looking values. for example, one value belongs
to HID devices (keyboards). If you mistakenly edit the wrong
one, you can kill your keyboard input, instantly.

Um, have fun :-)

All I'm suggesting, is do a few checks that you're modifying the
correct one, before you "pull the trigger". When I'm doing stuff
like this, I usually have a backup copy of C: prepared, ready to
fix it. As I keep my C: relatively small, and no backup of
C: takes more than 10 minutes. Some only take 3-4 minutes
to complete the backup. It's a short delay, before the hackery
can begin.

*******

devcon or devcon64 can be used to print out the filters
currently in place. However, it's a royal pain to find
a copy of devcon64, and really, the regular Device Manager
should have all this stuff.

Now, since I don't have my USB optical burner turned on right
now, a check for filters on my keyboard, is going to have to
suffice. In this example, you can see my keyboard has no filter
driver installed. Using "Properties" and "Details", you can
check lots of stuff that devcon could have printed out for you.

https://s13.postimg.org/tbzu457rr/de...lter_check.gif

So in that example, I know my keyboard has no UpperFilter.

Your optical drive, should have a value in the lower pane.

Just a guess,
Paul



You were right, I had to delete the lower filter which specified the
incompatable driver in the following key:


HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Class and select the
{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}


Now all is working normally.

Thank you!

On 5/16/2017 2:51 PM, Mike Easter wrote:

KDE had the same but different growing pains from Gnome; it is doing
better all the time. If one were going to sample the latest KDE running
on a Ub, I would recommend out J. Riddell's Neon. Riddell knows KDE and
how to put it together with Ub, as he was a longtime main Kub developer
and is putting the latest KDE on LTS Ub. And, the current Kub 17.04 is
also in good shape.

Linux DEs are doing better and better on many fronts.





Since I started out with Gnome, I am now well used to it.

There has been so much progress made over the years
but I really liked those early years which forced me to learn.

On 17/5/2017 12:41 AM, philo wrote:

I was not trying to install a driver, I was trying the find the location
of the one(s) I needed to remove.
Thanks to Mike Easter I found it.

Do you really need to use Roxio? Which functions attracted you? There
are many freeware CD/DVD/BD buring programs out there.

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On 5/17/2017 9:58 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 17/5/2017 12:41 AM, philo wrote:

I was not trying to install a driver, I was trying the find the
location of the one(s) I needed to remove.
Thanks to Mike Easter I found it.

Do you really need to use Roxio? Which functions attracted you? There
are many freeware CD/DVD/BD buring programs out there.




You missed the point...I do NOT want to use Roxio I was trying to
uninstall it and thanks to Paul I figured out which registry key to
delete in order to remove the conflicted driver.

philo wrote:
.I do NOT want to use Roxio

I remember some (maybe many) years ago when Roxio so dominated the
burner situation that any kind of optical burner hardware you bought
came with roxio software.

--
Mike Easter

In message , Mike Easter
writes:
philo wrote:
.I do NOT want to use Roxio

I remember some (maybe many) years ago when Roxio so dominated the
burner situation that any kind of optical burner hardware you bought
came with roxio software.

Or the other one, Easy CD Creator (which had a different name, either
earlier or later I forget); they had about equal shares at one point
(with one or two other very minor players there too), though Roxio did
gain a larger market share towards the end of that era.

And you _had_ to instal(l) them - burner driving software (free and
otherwise) wasn't so widely available then. And, of course, they were
always (I think) mangled versions of Roxio/ECDC, that would only work
with the particular model of drive they were sold with.
--
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presenters that gets its name from the fact that no one is sober after
twenty-past seven. - Eddie Mair, RT 16-22 April 2011

On 18/5/2017 10:16 AM, philo wrote:

You missed the point...I do NOT want to use Roxio I was trying to
uninstall it and thanks to Paul I figured out which registry key to
delete in order to remove the conflicted driver.

If there was nothing special in Roxio, you should NOT have touched it,
let alone installed it. What attracted your attention?

Anyway, it's always better to reinstall everything from scratch
(including the OS) if you really want a clean system. That's why rich
people buy newly constructed houses and apartments periodically.

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On 18/5/2017 12:03 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
I remember some (maybe many) years ago when Roxio so dominated the
burner situation that any kind of optical burner hardware you bought
came with roxio software.

I have never used it, nor heard of its popularity. I was using Nero
burners, then switched to InfraRecorder and now Anyburn with assistance
from ImgBurn.

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On 05/17/2017 11:03 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
philo wrote:
.I do NOT want to use Roxio

I remember some (maybe many) years ago when Roxio so dominated the
burner situation that any kind of optical burner hardware you bought
came with roxio software.



It's only on a rare occasion that I even need to burn a DVD nowdays.

On 05/18/2017 07:55 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 18/5/2017 10:16 AM, philo wrote:

You missed the point...I do NOT want to use Roxio I was trying to
uninstall it and thanks to Paul I figured out which registry key to
delete in order to remove the conflicted driver.

If there was nothing special in Roxio, you should NOT have touched it,
let alone installed it. What attracted your attention?


The hard drive originally had Win2000 so it was installed 15 years ago
or so. At one point it was upgraded to XP and I never bother to install it.

At any rate it's a moot point as I have it uninstalled now

Anyway, it's always better to reinstall everything from scratch
(including the OS) if you really want a clean system. That's why rich
people buy newly constructed houses and apartments periodically.




No, I do not go out an buy new computers. I do on occasion build new
ones though.

The installation I was talking about could have been dumped but I was
fooling with it more as a learning experience and now know a bit more
about the registry that I used to.


Had I been in a hurry, I would have indeed simply backed up the data an
performed a fresh install

philo wrote:
It's only on a rare occasion that I even need to burn a DVD nowdays.

Once upon a time, I bought blank CDs on sale by the hundred and used
them to burn linux distros, which used to normally fit on a CD. About
the time that so many linux distros got too big for a CD, and I just had
a few blank DVDs around for such as backing up fresh OS installs, I had
'graduated' to writing the linuxes to USB, so nowadays it has been a
long time since I've burned a DVD.

Now there are little USBs of various sizes and shapes 'all over the
place' around me and I have a 'coded' system of categorizing them which
takes into account how big, what color, how many gigs, and how the cover
is managed, and what is on them.

For example, the cover code can be m u r or b; managed, unmanaged,
retracts, or bare.

--
Mike Easter

On 16/05/2017 16:14, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-05-16 10:03, Mike Easter wrote:
philo wrote:
Now, when I boot to Vista I get a message that a "driver was blocked due
to imcompatability."

When I look at "details" all it says is "CD recording software
Roxio."

Location "unknown"

Though this is rather unimportant I'd still like to trace down and
remove this annoying "driver."

I would check in Device manager in the Driver tab section or remove the
device in the manager and let Win put it back.

Start/ CP/ System/ Device manager/ DVD-CDROM drives/ (select your
device) R click for Properties and examine the drivers tab

And next time use Revo or similar 3rd party uninstaller. It does a much
better job of removing every folder etc than you can.


+1

Revo is the best utility one can use in this situation.

Fokke Nauta

On 05/18/2017 12:02 PM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 16/05/2017 16:14, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-05-16 10:03, Mike Easter wrote:
philo wrote:
Now, when I boot to Vista I get a message that a "driver was blocked
due
to imcompatability."

When I look at "details" all it says is "CD recording software
Roxio."

Location "unknown"

Though this is rather unimportant I'd still like to trace down and
remove this annoying "driver."

I would check in Device manager in the Driver tab section or remove the
device in the manager and let Win put it back.

Start/ CP/ System/ Device manager/ DVD-CDROM drives/ (select your
device) R click for Properties and examine the drivers tab

And next time use Revo or similar 3rd party uninstaller. It does a
much better job of removing every folder etc than you can.


+1

Revo is the best utility one can use in this situation.

Fokke Nauta



Actually not.

I decided to give it a try and did a system restore prior to the point
where I manually uninstalled Roxio.

Used Revo and it still left quite a bit...
so I undid the restore.

It can be very tedious to to a manual registry edit but I have every
last bit of Roxio gone...but the best thing is I learned a bit more of
how the registry works,

On 05/18/2017 10:49 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
philo wrote:
It's only on a rare occasion that I even need to burn a DVD nowdays.

Once upon a time, I bought blank CDs on sale by the hundred and used
them to burn linux distros, which used to normally fit on a CD. About
the time that so many linux distros got too big for a CD, and I just had
a few blank DVDs around for such as backing up fresh OS installs, I had
'graduated' to writing the linuxes to USB, so nowadays it has been a
long time since I've burned a DVD.

Now there are little USBs of various sizes and shapes 'all over the
place' around me and I have a 'coded' system of categorizing them which
takes into account how big, what color, how many gigs, and how the cover
is managed, and what is on them.

For example, the cover code can be m u r or b; managed, unmanaged,
retracts, or bare.




Yep. most of my stuff is on USB stick and a 16gig or 32 gig is plenty good.

The last time I bought blank DVD's I figured a ten pack would be plenty