Firefox SECRETLY storing your login credentials?

On 11/12/2018 23:17, nospam *LIED*

In article , David B.
wrote:

You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
afterwards by hacking.

they aren't.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'.

Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet
group.

--
Regards,
David B.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 23:09:27 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 11/12/2018 22:51, nospam wrote:
In article , David B.
wrote:

On 11/12/2018 18:41, default wrote, amonst other things, ...
Someday you may learn how wrong you are.

I take the paranoid viewpoint and only discover that things are worse
than I thought they were. When money is involved veracity is elusive.

I've really enjoyed your post! :-)

It's rather satisfying to see the bull****ter called 'nospam' put firmly
in his place! Thank you!

if you understood even a tiny fraction of was being discussed, you
would realize he has not done that at all.

You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
afterwards by hacking.

I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and
kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in". I could
not delete them. I complained to the American manufacturer and a few
weeks later a replacement pad was posted to us from China! It has a
switch to disable the adverts. I had to stick a pin through a hole to
find the switch.

Steve

--
http://www.npsnn.com

In article , David B.
wrote:

You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
afterwards by hacking.

they aren't.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'.

out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence
of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found
*something* by now.

bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was
questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false.

Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet
group.

also false.

and why did you crosspost this thread? that makes *you* even a bigger
troll than you already are.

In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme wrote:

I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and
kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in". I could
not delete them. I complained to the American manufacturer and a few
weeks later a replacement pad was posted to us from China! It has a
switch to disable the adverts. I had to stick a pin through a hole to
find the switch.

that's crapware, not malware.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:31:34 -0500, default
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 12:12:34 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Paul
wrote:

and there's still the question how a phone that's off can be remotely
turned on by some magical signal that is received by a radio that's
off.

RFID-like schemes transmit enough power to run
circuitry. You could do it that way.

no you couldn't. the range of rfid is *very* short and it requires the
device to be powered on

It is indeed very short, a few feet as a rule. But RFID does not
require self-power it rectifies energy inductively coupled into it via
a loop antenna then uses that energy to transmit its data.

A few feet is a bit on the generous side. I can call my mobile phone
when it's switched off from a cordless calling phone is about an inch
away! It must be induced power on the mobile. When I was in the
electronics trade that sort of induced power was considered to be a
noise fault.

Steve

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http://www.npsnn.com

On 2018-12-12 08:30, nospam wrote:
In article , David B.
wrote:

You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
afterwards by hacking.

they aren't.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'.

out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence
of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found
*something* by now.

bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was
questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false.

Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet
group.

also false.

and why did you crosspost this thread? that makes *you* even a bigger
troll than you already are.


It would be impossible to make the lying troll who posts under the name
'David B' when he's not sockpuppetting to hide his miserable existence
to appear to be a bigger troll than he already is. He achieved Maximum
Trolldom a long time ago.

I did not think that it was possible for him to appear to be more stupid
than he already was. Since then, he has done the impossible: his IQ is
currently measured in the negative numbers.

He crossposted to the Mac groups because he is:

* very, very, VERY stupid
* the god-emperor of trolls
* an alcoholic who behaves even more stupidly when he's drunk than at
other times
* a malicious stalker

I don't usually visit alt.comp.os.windows-10. If he hadn't been
sufficiently stupid and malicious as to crosspost to comp.sys.mac.system
I would never have seen your reply to his post. It seems that he is
stalking you; I removed him from my killfile and had a look at
alt.comp.os.windows-10 and it seems that the majority of his posts there
are attacks on you. I will be reloading headers in groups that I post in
and will see if he's been stalking me elsewhere, too. He's that kind of
person. Assuming, that is, that self-propelled trolling, stalking,
extremely stupid, alcoholic slime can be called a person.

"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote

| You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
| 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
| afterwards by hacking.
|
| I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and
| kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in".

I think it would be more realistic to look at it the
other way around: If it's an i- device then assume it's
spying on you. What self-loathing, greedy businessman
is going to "leave money on the table" by not spying?

TV spying:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...?noredirect=on

Ford builds data center to store car data:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...onnected_cars/

Target spying example of the problem with loyalty
cards and giving information to retailers:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...er-father-did/

General e-spying:
https://www.alternet.org/story/15562... _your_privacy

More stuff is coming, like Samsung's idiotic frig with
a TV screen to see what's inside. Thermostats. door
locks. Surveillance cameras. Baby monitors. Anything
that uses the Internet (usually for frivolous reasons)
is probably going to be spyware, because that's an
almost effortless extra business for manufacturers.

They sell you a door lock for $100 that you can open
over the Internet with your iPhone. (Keys are so hard
to keep track of, aren't they?) Then they can make
extra money by tracking when you're home or not
and selling that to data miners. They don't need to
come up with a use for the data. They can just sell
it to people who do have a use.

Of course, cellphones are by far the worst, because
they act as tracking collars and they're infested with
adware/spyware apps. But if you can't read a map or
want discounts from Amazon at Whole Foods, then you
have to make a choice: Privacy or e-services.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

I think it would be more realistic to look at it the
other way around: If it's an i- device then assume it's
spying on you.

that would be a very bad assumption.

What self-loathing, greedy businessman
is going to "leave money on the table" by not spying?

not everyone is a self-loathing greedy businessman.

there are people and companies in this world that *do* respect the
privacy of their users.

On 2018-12-11 08:14, Mayayana wrote:
"David B." "David wrote

| Even if you/we THINK that a device is 'off' it COULD still be in
| communication with an outside entity.
|

I know my Tracphone is off when I turn it
off because the charge will last for months and
it can't get calls. It could certainly have some
kind of beacon in it, but that seems very unlikely.
It only cost $10.

I don't know about Android and iPhone, but I'm
guessing that people think off means the screen
is black because few people actually turn them
off. It should be simple enough to test, if you can
stand not to use your phone: Power it off. How
long does the battery last? Can it receive calls?
If it's actually off the battery should last and it
won't get calls. If it's active it has to ping the
network continually to receive calls.

I have done exactly that: turned the power off completely. The last time
was when I was driving to Manitoba to deal with a family matter. I
charged the iPhone up to 100% and turned it off, as I don't answer the
phone when I'm driving. When I got to Manitoba and turned it back on, 72
hours later, it still had 100% charge. I put a local SIM card (obtained
in Toronto while en route) into it and used it while I was in Manitoba
and took the SIM card out before I left, replacing it with my normal SIM
card. Powered the phone down again, after charging to 100%. It was still
at 100% when I got home. If there's a remote spy on that iPhone, it can
do its job without drawing power.


Unfortunately, these news reports rarely tell
us facts. Just gossip. The NYT says 75 companies
are spying. Which companies? Which apps? They
had to find out for their article, but they won't tell
us because the NYT supports business and naming
names would rock the boat. So they just report
gossip that people will later forget.

Similarly, how does the FBI spy? The people who
talked to KTRE must know, but they've left out the
actual facts. The article author is mixing up facts.
I suspect the author actually didn't understand the
topic. "Even when it's off!"

If you just have the phone on standby, that is you clicked on the power
button and the screen blacked out, then yes then can track you. If you
shut it completely all the way down, on Apple devices that usually means
you must hold the power button down for a few seconds and then swipe to
shut down when the 'are you sure?' screen comes up, then no they can't
track you. There's nothing on.

"Any recently manufactured
phone is a tracking device!" Yes. We knew that.
People use GPS. Years ago Apple was caught storing
plain text files on iPhones, documenting weeks of
location data. The news would be how the FBI is
getting the data. Malware? Stingray fake cell towers?
There may be enough Stingrays in use that everyone
is tracked by the the FBI, local police, Chinese hackers,
and Google research. Who knows? But the news media
are not telling us the actual facts. They probably
have no one on staff who can even understand
the facts.

In article , Wolf K
wrote:

In article , Mayayana
wrote:
I think it would be more realistic to look at it the
other way around: If it's an i- device then assume it's
spying on you.

that would be a very bad assumption.

What self-loathing, greedy businessman
is going to "leave money on the table" by not spying?

not everyone is a self-loathing greedy businessman.

there are people and companies in this world that *do* respect the
privacy of their users.

Er, yeah, those would be the ones not in the class specified by
"self-loathing, greedy".

except that maya thinks they're all like that.

On 12/12/2018 13:17, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 23:09:27 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote:

On 11/12/2018 22:51, nospam wrote:
In article , David B.
wrote:

On 11/12/2018 18:41, default wrote, amonst other things, ...
Someday you may learn how wrong you are.

I take the paranoid viewpoint and only discover that things are worse
than I thought they were. When money is involved veracity is elusive.

I've really enjoyed your post! :-)

It's rather satisfying to see the bull****ter called 'nospam' put firmly
in his place! Thank you!

if you understood even a tiny fraction of was being discussed, you
would realize he has not done that at all.

You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
afterwards by hacking.

I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and
kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in". I could
not delete them. I complained to the American manufacturer and a few
weeks later a replacement pad was posted to us from China! It has a
switch to disable the adverts. I had to stick a pin through a hole to
find the switch.

Steve

I'm saddened to learn that you had such a problem but pleased to hear
that it was satifactorily resolved.

It's nice to have a few words of support! Thanks, Steve. :-)

--
Regards,
David B.

On 12/12/2018 13:30, nospam wrote:
In article , David B.
wrote:

You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
afterwards by hacking.

they aren't.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'.

out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence
of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found
*something* by now.

That ain't necessarily so! [song]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5O_NUhrK0

bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was
questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false.

I'm always pleased when such matters are investigated.

Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet
group.

also false.

Not at all. You have provided absolutely *NO* credentials so have
absolutely no credence at all. Sorry.

and why did you crosspost this thread? that makes *you* even a bigger
troll than you already are.

I simply wanted fellow Apple device users to be made aware of your
fallibility.

--
Regards,
David B.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 09:35:21 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote

| You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
| 'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
| afterwards by hacking.
|
| I've only seen that once. A pad that my wife bought second hand and
| kept for a few days had 26 marketing applications "built in".

I think it would be more realistic to look at it the
other way around: If it's an i- device then assume it's
spying on you. What self-loathing, greedy businessman
is going to "leave money on the table" by not spying?

Think of the cell phone as a surveillance device that can be used to
make phone calls.

TV spying:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...?noredirect=on

Ford builds data center to store car data:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/0...onnected_cars/

Target spying example of the problem with loyalty
cards and giving information to retailers:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...er-father-did/

General e-spying:
https://www.alternet.org/story/15562... _your_privacy

More stuff is coming, like Samsung's idiotic frig with
a TV screen to see what's inside. Thermostats. door
locks. Surveillance cameras. Baby monitors. Anything
that uses the Internet (usually for frivolous reasons)
is probably going to be spyware, because that's an
almost effortless extra business for manufacturers.

They sell you a door lock for $100 that you can open
over the Internet with your iPhone. (Keys are so hard
to keep track of, aren't they?) Then they can make
extra money by tracking when you're home or not
and selling that to data miners. They don't need to
come up with a use for the data. They can just sell
it to people who do have a use.

Of course, cellphones are by far the worst, because
they act as tracking collars and they're infested with
adware/spyware apps. But if you can't read a map or
want discounts from Amazon at Whole Foods, then you
have to make a choice: Privacy or e-services.

On 2018-12-12 8:30 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , David B.
wrote:

You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
afterwards by hacking.

they aren't.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'.

out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence
of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found
*something* by now.

Liar:
https://www.techworm.net/2015/09/malware-found-pre-installed-on-xiaomi-huawei-lenovo-smartphones.html

--
SilverSlimer
Free software advocate
Minds: @silverslimer

In article , David B.
wrote:

You seem to have no comprehension that spyware/malware may actually be
'built in' to these devices during the manufacturing process, not
afterwards by hacking.

they aren't.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to know that, 'nospam'.

out of the billions of phones out there, nobody has found any evidence
of malware from the manufacturer. certainly *someone* would have found
*something* by now.

That ain't necessarily so! [song]

it is so. there is *no* evidence that manufacturers are installing spy
chips on phones or anything else. zero.

and even if that were to happen (which it has not), there's no way to
force a particular suspect to use a tainted phone.

https://www.

irrelevant spam link.

bloomberg recently ran story about spy chips in servers, which was
questioned from the start and has been shown to be completely false.

I'm always pleased when such matters are investigated.

bull****. you deliberately *ignore* facts solely so you can troll.

Such an answer renders unreliable EVERY answer you provide in any Usenet
group.

also false.

Not at all. You have provided absolutely *NO* credentials so have
absolutely no credence at all. Sorry.

not only is that completely false, but you're not one to talk about
credentials. you have *none* and are not in a position to decide that
for others.

and why did you crosspost this thread? that makes *you* even a bigger
troll than you already are.

I simply wanted fellow Apple device users to be made aware of your
fallibility.

in other words, it's yet another attack (it's all you do), which
confirms that you're trolling.