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In article , 123456789
wrote: rs232 serial ports were once universal. Some technology fades away, some doesn't. Analog headphones have been with us for over a hundred years. long overdue to be replaced. Technology that is simple, effective, and just works, sticks around. My GUESS is that since most all current devices including (gasp) some Apple devices have an analog headphone jack, your changeover just may take a wee bit longer than you think. technology moves fast and it ain't just apple. already there are numerous android phones with a digital headphone jack. a 100 year old standard isn't going to disappear overnight. My wired headphones last forever. No headphone charge ever needed... you have to charge your phone a lot more... Maybe I could actually charge my phone a lot LESS since I can leave the Bluetooth radio OFF when using a WIRED headphone. bluetooth uses a negligible amount of power, so it doesn't matter if it's on or off. listening to music and certainly having the display on will use a *lot* more power than bluetooth, plus turning it off prevents a lot of other stuff from working. |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:39:06 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , wrote: It's not the chip (DAC), it's the speakers. yep, or in this case, headphones. except there are those who think that they can hear a difference between different dacs, different cables, etc. some of the audiophile stuff is beyond crazy. In my search I found DACs ranging in price fro about $5(!) to $26,000. I finished up paying about $500. I already had a DAC in my Roland Duo Capture EX which I bought for use as an ADC for transcribing vinyl discs. Its DAC was acceptable but in the end I finished up buying an Arcam irDAC-II which is a middle of the road DAC. It made an audibly better job of converting digital to analog than did the Roland. Mind you, I was listening through good gear. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:39:05 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: There is absolutely no way that you could get a good DAC into either a phone or a pair of ear phone/buds. maybe not the phone, which is very space constrained, however, that's not an issue with headphones, which have plenty of space for whatever dac and whatever else you might want: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/yFwW5pTwL3ot83qNGZohrj-650-80.jpg https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/yqKv8shdnTqEipGtN2gdvg-650-80.jpg even earbuds, which aren't known for the best sound quality, could have an inline dac that would never fit into a phone. you're describing one way a digital headphone jack is better. I've recently been through the trauma of finding a good DAC and I stand by my comment. Sure there are tiny and low priced DACs but they sound like crap. Anything worthwhile is far too large and expensive to use in consumer head phones. nonsense, with a digital headphone jack, you can use whatever dac you want (not that you can hear a difference), whether it's an integral part of the headphone or a standalone box. with an analog headphone jack, you're stuck with whatever dac is in the device. there is no way to get a digital audio stream. your comments support the transition to digital headphone jacks. My comment was derived from the thought of the kind of DAC a manufacturer would install in a pair of ear buds. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: your comments support the transition to digital headphone jacks. My comment was derived from the thought of the kind of DAC a manufacturer would install in a pair of ear buds. it doesn't matter, since the quality of the earbuds is the limiting factor, not the dac. |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: In my search I found DACs ranging in price fro about $5(!) to $26,000. I finished up paying about $500. any of which can be used with a digital headphone jack and whatever headphones/speakers you want. not that there is an audible difference, except perhaps the $5 one. I already had a DAC in my Roland Duo Capture EX which I bought for use as an ADC for transcribing vinyl discs. Its DAC was acceptable but in the end I finished up buying an Arcam irDAC-II which is a middle of the road DAC. It made an audibly better job of converting digital to analog than did the Roland. Mind you, I was listening through good gear. confirmation bias. |
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On 9/17/2018 5:39 PM, nospam wrote:
a 100 year old standard isn't going to disappear overnight. Glad you finally agree. bluetooth uses a negligible amount of power With my phone's 3760 mAh battery I generally end the day at over 80% so whether Bluetooth or wired phones use more juice is pretty much academic for me anyway. YMMV. listening to music and certainly having the display on will use a *lot* more power than bluetooth You think the display really stays on when listening to music?? I just hit my phone's off/sleep button when the music app is playing and the screen goes OFF while the music stays ON. SAME when streaming radio apps. SAME with all my Android and Amazon devices. SAME with my Chromebook. And likely SAME with Apple stuff. It seems that after all this digital headphone rhetoric of yours that you don't even use headphones... |
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In article , 123456789
wrote: a 100 year old standard isn't going to disappear overnight. Glad you finally agree. i never said otherwise, but it *is* going to go away for the vast majority of devices. there will be a few holdouts just as there are still companies that make film. bluetooth uses a negligible amount of power With my phone's 3760 mAh battery I generally end the day at over 80% so whether Bluetooth or wired phones use more juice is pretty much academic for me anyway. YMMV. then why did you bring it up? listening to music and certainly having the display on will use a *lot* more power than bluetooth You think the display really stays on when listening to music?? two different situations. the point is that bluetooth power draw is negligible compared to everything else that's going on. |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:59:09 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: In my search I found DACs ranging in price fro about $5(!) to $26,000. I finished up paying about $500. any of which can be used with a digital headphone jack and whatever headphones/speakers you want. not that there is an audible difference, except perhaps the $5 one. Lots of people think you are wrong. I certainly do. I already had a DAC in my Roland Duo Capture EX which I bought for use as an ADC for transcribing vinyl discs. Its DAC was acceptable but in the end I finished up buying an Arcam irDAC-II which is a middle of the road DAC. It made an audibly better job of converting digital to analog than did the Roland. Mind you, I was listening through good gear. confirmation bias. When I unwittingly leave the wrong one turned on I can immediately hear the difference. It's not imagination. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:59:08 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: your comments support the transition to digital headphone jacks. My comment was derived from the thought of the kind of DAC a manufacturer would install in a pair of ear buds. it doesn't matter, since the quality of the earbuds is the limiting factor, not the dac. They must be acoustically lousy! -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: In my search I found DACs ranging in price fro about $5(!) to $26,000. I finished up paying about $500. any of which can be used with a digital headphone jack and whatever headphones/speakers you want. not that there is an audible difference, except perhaps the $5 one. Lots of people think you are wrong. I certainly do. even more do not. some might *think* they can hear a difference, but they can't. objective double-blind tests consistently show that people do no better than chance. in other words, they're guessing. I already had a DAC in my Roland Duo Capture EX which I bought for use as an ADC for transcribing vinyl discs. Its DAC was acceptable but in the end I finished up buying an Arcam irDAC-II which is a middle of the road DAC. It made an audibly better job of converting digital to analog than did the Roland. Mind you, I was listening through good gear. confirmation bias. When I unwittingly leave the wrong one turned on I can immediately hear the difference. It's not imagination. then it's defective or it's intentionally adding something to the sound, neither of which is desirable. regardless, with a digital headphone jack, you can use whatever dac you want. with an analog headphone jack, you're stuck with whatever is in the device. |
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On 9/19/2018 3:24 AM, Eric Stevens wrote:
nospam wrote: I found DACs ranging in price fro about $5(!) to $26,000. I finished up paying about $500. not that there is an audible difference, except perhaps the $5 one. Lots of people think you are wrong. I certainly do. When I unwittingly leave the wrong one turned on I can immediately hear the difference. It's not imagination. At his age it's the ears, not the earphones... (And anyway he obviously doesn't use them since he didn't have a clue about how they work on modern devices.) |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:13:42 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: In my search I found DACs ranging in price fro about $5(!) to $26,000. I finished up paying about $500. any of which can be used with a digital headphone jack and whatever headphones/speakers you want. not that there is an audible difference, except perhaps the $5 one. Lots of people think you are wrong. I certainly do. even more do not. some might *think* they can hear a difference, but they can't. objective double-blind tests consistently show that people do no better than chance. in other words, they're guessing. You have used that argument several times, applied to different aspects of audio. I bet you can't cite an example relating to DACs on high level equipment. I already had a DAC in my Roland Duo Capture EX which I bought for use as an ADC for transcribing vinyl discs. Its DAC was acceptable but in the end I finished up buying an Arcam irDAC-II which is a middle of the road DAC. It made an audibly better job of converting digital to analog than did the Roland. Mind you, I was listening through good gear. confirmation bias. When I unwittingly leave the wrong one turned on I can immediately hear the difference. It's not imagination. then it's defective or it's intentionally adding something to the sound, neither of which is desirable. Or one of them is intentionally(?) not adding something to the sound. regardless, with a digital headphone jack, you can use whatever dac you want. with an analog headphone jack, you're stuck with whatever is in the device. Yep. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: In my search I found DACs ranging in price fro about $5(!) to $26,000. I finished up paying about $500. any of which can be used with a digital headphone jack and whatever headphones/speakers you want. not that there is an audible difference, except perhaps the $5 one. Lots of people think you are wrong. I certainly do. even more do not. some might *think* they can hear a difference, but they can't. objective double-blind tests consistently show that people do no better than chance. in other words, they're guessing. You have used that argument several times, applied to different aspects of audio. I bet you can't cite an example relating to DACs on high level equipment. numerous times, because it's true. people *think* they can hear a difference, but when put to the test, they can't. they do no better than chance. it also applies to more than just audio. there was a double-blind test with wine, where expert wine tasters couldn't identify the cheap wines from the expensive ones, including when one of the 'red wines' was white wine + food colouring. |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 00:09:53 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Eric Stevens wrote: In my search I found DACs ranging in price fro about $5(!) to $26,000. I finished up paying about $500. any of which can be used with a digital headphone jack and whatever headphones/speakers you want. not that there is an audible difference, except perhaps the $5 one. Lots of people think you are wrong. I certainly do. even more do not. some might *think* they can hear a difference, but they can't. objective double-blind tests consistently show that people do no better than chance. in other words, they're guessing. You have used that argument several times, applied to different aspects of audio. I bet you can't cite an example relating to DACs on high level equipment. numerous times, because it's true. people *think* they can hear a difference, but when put to the test, they can't. they do no better than chance. The example you originally quoted was in a different context altogether. it also applies to more than just audio. there was a double-blind test with wine, where expert wine tasters couldn't identify the cheap wines from the expensive ones, including when one of the 'red wines' was white wine + food colouring. If we accept your argument then double-blind tests are a waste of time under any circumstances we are discussing with you. In fact, and for example, practically nobody could fail to detect the difference between my PC speakers and the Arcam DAC feeding the Quad amplifier and Z4 speakers with their ribbon tweeters. The difference between the two DACs is not as great but it is quite audible. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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