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Old February 20th 18, 06:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Andrew Wilson[_2_]
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Default Win 7 32-bit

On 20/02/2018 02:46, VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote:

philo wrote:

Andrew Wilson wrote:

Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which
version (I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll
have to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.

If you plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM you should go with the 64bit
version.

Even if you do not plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM I'd still go with
the 64 bit version because you very well may want to use more RAM some day.


The only reason the 32-bit version comes up, is for its
ability to run 16-bit software. And that's not the kind of
software you think it is either. There are quite a few
32 bit programs, where the installer for the program is 16-bit,
and that prevents installation of the 32 bit program [that
would have run in a 64-bit OS]. Just the installer used,
a particular free installer, is the source of a lot of
grief.

Running old 16-bit games, is a second use-case for the x32 OS.

Microsoft apparently could have made a WOW subsystem so
16 bit ran on the 64 bit OS too. But they chose not to.
And this is why some users continue to like the 32-bit OS,
for compatibility with large collections of existing
software (software with installer issues, or actual
16-bit software from long ago).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_on_Windows
This subsystem is available in 32-bit editions of Windows NT only. The
64-bit editions (including Windows Server 2008 R2 and later which only
have 64-bit editions) cannot run 16-bit software without third-party
emulation software (e.g. DOSBox).

"64-bit versions of Windows do not support 16-bit components, 16-bit
processes, or 16-bit applications"
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...nts-16-bit-pro

To get around the 16-bit installer (wrapped around a 32-bit app), there
are many of suggestions, like those at:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...on-64-bit-win7

A long time ago (when I moved to x64 for Windows), I lost some x16 DOS
games. They were pretty old so I really didn't mind that much that I
lost them. Later I found DOSBOX ran under Windows x64 can be used to
play x16 DOS games but I had already gotten rid of the old games.

http://www.freezenet.ca/guides/compa...rating-system/

That suggests using DOSBOX as the emulator to provide a 16-bit
environment for the old game or app. I've not used DOSBOX to know how
well it supports old x16 apps under Windows x64. I suspect there will
be some problems with any old app that attempt direct access to hardware
that emulation won't handle. For example, I remember some games were
bitches to get running and stay running because of their protection
mechanisms. Some protections would check for emulation, redirection, or
other tricks and refuse to let the game load. If they wouldn't allow
the game to run using an emulated CD drive, they probably won't run
inside an emulator or virtual machine, either.

32-bit support will eventually get phased out, too, just as what
happened to 16-bit support in Windows x64. When you see Microsoft
release an x64-only version of Windows as their lowest bidtwidth is when
the expiration timer starts on 32-bit apps. As the OP has discovered,
hardware makers are already starting to abandon 32-bit support.

There was pressure from consumers for more than ~3.8GB of user space in
system RAM, the limit for 32-bit processors (2^32 = 4,294,967,296 but
remember the OS reserves some space so user space was less than 4GB).
Having more user space (without having to swap around blocks of memory)
meant going to 64-bit processors. Those can address 16 exabytes of
memory (but are throttled by what the OS will allow). So we will have
64-bit processors around for a long time since it will take a long time
before memory is cheap enough to make 16 exabytes look restricting on
user space. I don't think 128-bit processors will show up before I die
but it could happen. That doesn't mean the OS vendors or hardware
makers will want to continue supporting 32-bit interfaces or
translations to the 64-bit hardware.

Many thanks everyone for your help and advice (except ignorant,
arsehole, dickhead 'Good Guy').
After a lot of tinkering around I have installed Win 7 32-bit and all
Windows Updates.
The chipset software CD wouldn't install any Win 7 32-bit drivers but I
managed to get only the USB3 driver to work by selecting the 'unknown
device' with exclamation mark in USB in Device Manager and then update
driver. No driver found on the internet but I forced it to look for a
driver on the chipset software CD which happily it found and installed.
Another 'unknown device' then popped up and I did the same as before and
it installed USB2 drivers. I've been running all day with occasional
restarts and it is running fine I'm delighted to say.
The Windows 7 32-bit was on a UK school multi-licence and I had
authority to install it on my home PC and I like it far better than Win
10. When support ends in 2020 probably the school and I will switch to
Windows 10. So 'Good Guy' you should really find out the facts before
sticking your big nose in where it's not wanted!
Thanks again peeps
aw56001

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Old February 20th 18, 08:36 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
philo
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Default Win 7 32-bit

On 02/20/2018 11:59 AM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
On 20/02/2018 02:46, VanguardLH wrote:
Paul wrote:

philo wrote:

Andrew Wilson wrote:

Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which
version (I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Â*Â* Operating System

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll
have to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.

If you plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM you should go with the 64bit
version.

Even if you do not plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM I'd still go
with
the 64 bit version because you very well may want to use more RAM
some day.

The only reason the 32-bit version comes up, is for its
ability to run 16-bit software. And that's not the kind of
software you think it is either. There are quite a few
32 bit programs, where the installer for the program is 16-bit,
and that prevents installation of the 32 bit program [that
would have run in a 64-bit OS]. Just the installer used,
a particular free installer, is the source of a lot of
grief.

Running old 16-bit games, is a second use-case for the x32 OS.

Microsoft apparently could have made a WOW subsystem so
16 bit ran on the 64 bit OS too. But they chose not to.
And this is why some users continue to like the 32-bit OS,
for compatibility with large collections of existing
software (software with installer issues, or actual
16-bit software from long ago).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_on_Windows
Â*Â* This subsystem is available in 32-bit editions of Windows NT only. The
Â*Â* 64-bit editions (including Windows Server 2008 R2 and later which only
Â*Â* have 64-bit editions) cannot run 16-bit software without third-party
Â*Â* emulation software (e.g. DOSBox).

"64-bit versions of Windows do not support 16-bit components, 16-bit
processes, or 16-bit applications"
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...nts-16-bit-pro


To get around the 16-bit installer (wrapped around a 32-bit app), there
are many of suggestions, like those at:





snip


Very glad you got it working.

BTW: I put that troll in my KF years ago
  #18  
Old February 23rd 18, 12:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Steve Hayes[_2_]
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Default Win 7 32-bit

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:31:51 -0500, Paul
wrote:

The only reason the 32-bit version comes up, is for its
ability to run 16-bit software. And that's not the kind of
software you think it is either. There are quite a few
32 bit programs, where the installer for the program is 16-bit,
and that prevents installation of the 32 bit program [that
would have run in a 64-bit OS]. Just the installer used,
a particular free installer, is the source of a lot of
grief.


Quite a lot of the software I use is 16-bit, or even 8-bit.

So if I have to replace one of my computers I'll be looking for a
32-bit version of Windows. Having more than 3 Gb of memory is no use
at all if you cant run the programs you need to access your data.

And I never play games, so that's not the only reason either.


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