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  #31  
Old August 11th 18, 09:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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OG wrote:

Oh crapola.

I did try the Firefox newsgroup but it failed to post !


I warned you (in my response to Ross).

That's why I posted here.


No one could know from your starter post that you first attempted to
query the Firefox (FF) newsgroup before coming here hence the suggestion
to go there.

Read my post for those who did not!
If I restart Firefox, how do I get to the download folder ????


If YOU cannot remember where YOU chose to store a downloaded file then
start using a default folder specified in the web browser. That way,
you'll know where is the downloaded folder because it'll be in the same
default folder.

If you can't remember where you decided to store a previously downloaded
file then configure Firefox (FF) to default to the same location. You
can even define what is that default location, so you should be able to
remember that one (when using Windows Explorer to go there instead of
loading FF to then open the folder).

You could even create a shortcut to that default folder on your desktop,
in a toolbar in the taskbar, in the Start menu, or wherever you like.
That way, you don't even have to load FF to find your previously
downloaded files.

Now to make matters worse, on another Win XP laptop, if I download
something the Menu Downloads give me a blank screen. But it did
download because Everything finds it (knowing the name of the download
or keeping Everything active and sorted on Date while I do downloads.)


You are looking at the *history* of your downloads. FF is not a file
manager. It is not opening a Windows Explorer instance. Yes, renaming
"Downloads" to Download History" would be more accurate. FF is showing
you a history of what you previously downloaded. That history is
independent of what is actually residing *now* in the folder within the
file system. I have a history of my car repairs one of which was to
replace the battery. That has happened twice. The battery that is my
car now is not the one recorded in my history for the first battery
change.

Perhaps on that different computer you configured FF differently, like
having it purge its local data upon its exit. I don't use FF 52 ESR.
Since I am using Windows 7 -- one of the newsgroups to which you decided
to CROSS-post with no hint in your starting post about which OS you
really use -- one of the cleanup options in FF 61 is to delete the
"Browsing and Download History". Well, if you purge that data on
exiting FF then it won't be there the next time you load FF. I suspect
that same cleanup option is available back in FF 52 ESR.

Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly.
Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it.
What else can it mean?


Geez, how about SAYING you are using FF 52 ESR. That's more detailed
than saying "last version" for an OS version that you NEVER IDENTIFIED
in your original post. You CROSS-posted to multiple Windows version
newsgroups, so how the hell could anyone tell if you meant to ask about
using FF on Windows XP or Windows 7, huh?

Mozilla stopped support FF on Windows XP, so the "last version"
available on that OS is Firefox 52 ESR. Mozilla still supports FF on
Windows 7, so the "last version" available on that OS is FF 61. "last
version" could be 52 or 61. "last version" does not say WHICH version.
You never mentioned your target OS in your starter post! You
cross-posted to multiple newsgroups dealing with different versions of
Windows. Don't expect others to know what you don't tell them.

How about *you* read your own starter post while noting to WHERE *you*
chose to CROSS-post.
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  #32  
Old August 11th 18, 09:56 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mayayana wrote:

"Bill in Co" wrote

| I think 52.9 is the latest and final release for Win XP.
|

Yes. And 60 is the last ESR, but not supported
on XP. However, OG can't be bothered to formulate
his question or understand what's going on. He's
one of those people who just screams, "Ahg! What's
wrong!", and expects someone to solve his problem
for him.
I'm guessing what's wrong is that he neglected
to lift the toilet seat first.


PEBBAT (problem is between brains, er, butt and toilet) instead of
PEBCAK (problem is between chair and keyboard).
  #33  
Old August 11th 18, 10:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
Mayayana wrote:

"Bill in Co" wrote

| I think 52.9 is the latest and final release for Win XP.
|

Yes. And 60 is the last ESR, but not supported
on XP. However, OG can't be bothered to formulate
his question or understand what's going on. He's
one of those people who just screams, "Ahg! What's
wrong!", and expects someone to solve his problem
for him.
I'm guessing what's wrong is that he neglected
to lift the toilet seat first.


PEBBAT (problem is between brains, er, butt and toilet) instead of
PEBCAK (problem is between chair and keyboard).


g/is/exists/g
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  #34  
Old August 11th 18, 10:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"Bill in Co" wrote

I think 52.9 is the latest and final release for Win XP.


Yes. And 60 is the last ESR, but not supported
on XP. However, OG can't be bothered to formulate
his question or understand what's going on. He's
one of those people who just screams, "Ahg! What's
wrong!", and expects someone to solve his problem
for him.
I'm guessing what's wrong is that he neglected
to lift the toilet seat first.


I had to go to ver 52.x for the same reason I think it was Rudy mentioned:
Some sites aren't working out too well with the older versions. But at
least you can use the Classic Theme Restorer add-on, if you want. When it
gets to the point that even that doesn't work on some sites, we here still
using Windows XP,, I expect, are going to have some big problems, unless we
resort to using Chrome, and even that may become problematic in the future.
Then what... (IE8 in Win XP is essentially useless now on most sites)

I found an inexpensive Win 7 laptop on eBay, and I'm still trying to
"adjust" to using Windows 7 in the same way (with all its virtual folders
and libraries, "revamped" Start Menu, "revamped" Control Panel, and other
stuff getting in the way). :-) But at least there is the free Windows 7
Classic Shell program you can install to greatly help out with the
"transition", in case anybody is interested.

As for trying to understand what the OP was asking, I gave up. :-)


  #35  
Old August 11th 18, 10:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
Mayayana wrote:

"Bill in Co" wrote

| I think 52.9 is the latest and final release for Win XP.
|

Yes. And 60 is the last ESR, but not supported
on XP. However, OG can't be bothered to formulate
his question or understand what's going on. He's
one of those people who just screams, "Ahg! What's
wrong!", and expects someone to solve his problem
for him.
I'm guessing what's wrong is that he neglected
to lift the toilet seat first.


PEBBAT (problem is between brains, er, butt and toilet) instead of
PEBCAK (problem is between chair and keyboard).


g/is/exists/g


Oops. Where's my coffee?
  #36  
Old August 11th 18, 11:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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"Bill in Co" wrote

| I had to go to ver 52.x for the same reason I think it was Rudy mentioned:
| Some sites aren't working out too well with the older versions. But at
| least you can use the Classic Theme Restorer add-on, if you want. When it
| gets to the point that even that doesn't work on some sites, we here still
| using Windows XP,, I expect, are going to have some big problems, unless
we
| resort to using Chrome, and even that may become problematic in the
future.
| Then what... (IE8 in Win XP is essentially useless now on most sites)
|

You might also try using a Windows 7 userAgent in your
browser. That will at least stop any spiteful wiseguys who
think XP doesn't deserve to be online.

I find things work fine if I enable all the crap, but it's
getting hard to disable javascript on many sites. Big
commercial pages are becoming medium size software
programs, with 1-2 MB of heavily obfuscated javascript
code and dozens of downloaded files. The bloat is
multiplying at a frantic rate. More and more of the
actual webpage is now embedded in code. It used to
be that javascript was needed for dynamic actions, but
these days it's common for the actual text of a webpage,
along with the HMTL, to be converted to nonsense and
then buried in javascript.

On the bright side, I see nearly all pages load instantly
and without irritation like popups or blocking functionality.
But some sites are being very aggressive about it. I was
even reading a blog on Wordpress the other day that
showed as a blank page unless I disabled CSS.

It used to be that web designers who knew what they
were doing were expected to get their pages to show
the same way in any browser. Now it's becoming the
other way around: "If your browser doesn't support the
latest whiz-bang and you don't let us spy on you while
controlling how you access our webpage, then we don't
want you!"

The day may be approaching when I mainly go online
only for official things, like local gov't websites. As it
is now, I don't shop or bank online, anyway.
On the other hand, there are so many great sites out
there that work just fine. Wikipedia is fine. And I have
a favorite site for looking up plants: discoverlife.org.
It's an amazingly extensive website that works beautifully,
with no script or even cookies required.


  #37  
Old August 12th 18, 10:34 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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R.Wieser wrote on 11/08/2018 11:24 PM:
Daniel60,

if you're willing to wait a bit whilst your post get moderated, it
should, eventually, appear.


I have monoitored the involved newsgroups for a few weeks after
posting, but never saw my post appear. For the others I either saw
no other posts appear (dead groups), or no response to it.


The moderator of the mozilla.support.* groups maintains that those
groups are *ONLY* for posting problems with those products and/or
solutions for those problems, *NOT* for general discussions, even
general discussions of Firefox.

I check out the mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup.


I was not aware that FF was part of the seamonkey a suite. So
thanks for the suggestion.


Did you also note my suggestion about a mozilla.dev.apps.firefox
newsgroup?? *THAT* is where you should be trying to post your
suggestions. As David has mentioned, Firefox and SeaMonkey have diverged
a bit!!

And, FYI, Firefox is not part of SeaMonkey. Back, at about the year
2000, there was the Mozilla Suite. Developers thought it would be better
to adopt a MSIE/Outlook situation, i.e. separate Browser and Email
Agent, so Firefox and Thunderbird developed out of Mozilla Suite. Some,
however, thought a Suite was better, so Mozilla Suite development
continued in SeaMonkey Internet Suite.

Firefox has deviated from SeaMonkey Browser!

Another possibility could be irc://moznet/firefox on the
irc://irc.mozilla.org/ irc server. Maybe some Firefox Devs hang out
there.


I'll keep that in mind a a last resort (do not like IRC much).

Regards, Rudy Wiese

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  #38  
Old August 12th 18, 02:35 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Daniel60,

The moderator of the mozilla.support.* groups maintains that ...


Too bad that that isn't made clear in those newsgroups themselves.

Did you also note my suggestion about a mozilla.dev.apps.firefox
newsgroup??


No such newsgroup exists.

Therse is exactly *one* newsgroup with "firefox" in its name, and it is
aimed at people using the product, not at any kind of programmer. In other
words, its of no use to me.

Firefox has deviated from SeaMonkey Browser!


Lets hope they are enough of the same that the devs could give me a bit of a
pointer. Heck, even knowing how SeaMonkey deals with it is more than I
currently have. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #39  
Old August 12th 18, 05:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 08/11/2018 02:06 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/11/2018 11:55 AM, OG wrote:

[snip]

Latest Firefox ESR is the Win XP compatible version supposedly.
Latest download means I just downloaded Firefox ESR and installed it.
What else can it mean?


AFAIK, the latest ESR is 60, released at the same time as 52.8.

OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox


My FF has one. "Tools downloads", right click, 'open containing
folder'. You could also open the folder yourself.


I think 52.9 is the latest and final release for Win XP.


It is. From what I've seen there will be a 2-minor-version overlap in
ESR versions, so 60ESR comes out at the same time as 52.9ESR. 60ESR
works fine on Windows 7, and this is a Win 7 group.

BTW, If Mozilla decided too change the rules, and make a 52.10, that
should be published at the same time as 62.

BTW2, I do have a XP installation, for several reasons, including
checking on the latest versions of browsers that run in XP (so I can put
this information on my webpage). It's also a way to run older MSIE.

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imagination, a derelection of duty, a childish evasion of the difficulty
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Old August 12th 18, 05:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 08/11/2018 02:32 PM, Mayayana wrote:

[snip]

I'm guessing what's wrong is that he neglected
to lift the toilet seat first.


So it's not just women with that problem :-)


  #41  
Old August 12th 18, 06:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 08/11/2018 02:32 PM, Mayayana wrote:

[snip]

I'm guessing what's wrong is that he neglected
to lift the toilet seat first.


I never understood that problem. It seems a lot easier to LOOK where
you're sitting than to try to manipulate others, and blame them for your
problem.

That reminds me of another situation, when I lived in Ft. Worth.

I was waiting for a bus one day, when it had rained the night before.
For some reason bus stop benches usually have a slightly concave
surface, which had collected water. I was sitting on the dry end. I man
came over and sat down. Somehow he blamed me for his wet butt.

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"[Belief in] the supernatural was the recourse of an insufficient
imagination, a dereliction of duty, a childish evasion of the difficulty
and wonders of the real."
  #42  
Old August 12th 18, 06:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 08/11/2018 04:30 PM, Bill in Co wrote:

[snip]

I had to go to ver 52.x for the same reason I think it was Rudy mentioned:
Some sites aren't working out too well with the older versions. But at
least you can use the Classic Theme Restorer add-on, if you want. When it
gets to the point that even that doesn't work on some sites, we here still
using Windows XP,, I expect, are going to have some big problems, unless we
resort to using Chrome, and even that may become problematic in the future.


There's Linux. A free OS that won't run MSIE, but it does run the latest
Firefox, Chrome, and Opera.

Then what... (IE8 in Win XP is essentially useless now on most sites)


Yes. IE8 is definitely an old browser.

The normal Javascript on my webpage works in nearly all browsers:
Firefox down to .7, Opera down to 7, etc.. It won't work on IE below 9.
I have to use a limited version for IE5-8. M$ left out some important stuff.

[snip]

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http://notstupid.us/

"[Belief in] the supernatural was the recourse of an insufficuent
imagination, a derelection of duty, a childish evasion of the difficulty
and wonders of the real."
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Old August 12th 18, 06:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 08/11/2018 05:23 PM, Mayayana wrote:

[snip]

You might also try using a Windows 7 userAgent in your
browser. That will at least stop any spiteful wiseguys who
think XP doesn't deserve to be online.


Somebody could be doing that, although I would be going by browser, not
OS version.

I find things work fine if I enable all the crap, but it's
getting hard to disable javascript on many sites.


I make my personal website to be usable without JS, although I know
that's very different from junky commercial sites.

Big
commercial pages are becoming medium size software
programs, with 1-2 MB of heavily obfuscated javascript
code and dozens of downloaded files. The bloat is
multiplying at a frantic rate. More and more of the
actual webpage is now embedded in code. It used to
be that javascript was needed for dynamic actions, but
these days it's common for the actual text of a webpage,
along with the HMTL, to be converted to nonsense and
then buried in javascript.

On the bright side, I see nearly all pages load instantly
and without irritation like popups or blocking functionality.
But some sites are being very aggressive about it. I was
even reading a blog on Wordpress the other day that
showed as a blank page unless I disabled CSS.


There's been several times when I wanted to read something, and it would
let me read a couple of seconds before a "disable your adblocker" popup
got in the way. So far, it's been easier and better to disable
Javascript instead. I'm talking about pages that are mostly text, after
you disable the junky-looking ads.

It used to be that web designers who knew what they
were doing were expected to get their pages to show
the same way in any browser. Now it's becoming the
other way around: "If your browser doesn't support the
latest whiz-bang and you don't let us spy on you while
controlling how you access our webpage, then we don't
want you!"


On pages that don't display right (often blank or messy text), I usually
find the problem to be some security/privacy setting or addon, compined
with one of these badly written code. In one case, I had to disable
"Tracking Protection" in order to see a "text only" page.

The day may be approaching when I mainly go online
only for official things, like local gov't websites. As it
is now, I don't shop or bank online, anyway.
On the other hand, there are so many great sites out
there that work just fine. Wikipedia is fine. And I have
a favorite site for looking up plants: discoverlife.org.
It's an amazingly extensive website that works beautifully,
with no script or even cookies required.


--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"[Belief in] the supernatural was the recourse of an insufficuent
imagination, a derelection of duty, a childish evasion of the difficulty
and wonders of the real."
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Old August 12th 18, 06:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 08/11/2018 03:26 PM, R.Wieser wrote:

[snip]

Newsflash: We here are *humans*. We do *not* posess any mind-reading
capabilities. If you have a problem and want us to provide a solution you
need to provide as much relevant info in with it as possible. Expecting us
to just grab the info from your mind will NOT work.

There is an old saying: at least 50% of (the quality of) the answer is
directly dependant on (the quality of)the question (bad questions get bad
answers).


I first got a home computer in 1982. Soon after, people started asking
me for help. I got a lot of vague problem statements. One was "it
doesn't print". The user would refuse to give any more information.

IIRC, later, I found that the user had tried once, using one particular
(unstated) program and never thought to try anything else (not even the
printer's self test). Also I never learned what model printer.

[snip]

--
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http://notstupid.us/

"[Belief in] the supernatural was the recourse of an insufficuent
imagination, a derelection of duty, a childish evasion of the difficulty
and wonders of the real."
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Old August 12th 18, 07:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote

| On pages that don't display right (often blank or messy text), I usually
| find the problem to be some security/privacy setting or addon, compined
| with one of these badly written code.

I'm talking about two kinds of very specific blocks.
One is to embed the actual content in javascript. The
other is to do something like cover the page with a
big gray block,then remove it on load using script.
I've seen the actual code for these things. Putting
a block on top of at least part of the page has become
very common.

Here's one of the former I got in an email recently:

https://express.google.com/product/8...1271_118724597

I'd never heard of "Google Express". Apparently it's
a shopping site. I see only white at that link. Looking at
the source code I see that even the text on the
page has been embedded in script. And much of that
has been obfuscated by converting to Base64 or
converting individual characters to numeric values.

I was able to fish out just enough text for me to
be able to figure out what the page was about and
find a functional equivalent. Interestingly, the Google
page seemed to be only a hijacking of this page, to
get Googlite suckers to buy through Google:

https://www.overstock.com/Baby/Safet...9/product.html

The latter problem can be very complicated. Often
it's one or more items set to display: none;. Or
conversely, it's something like a big rectangle with
a high z-order that covers the content. Those tricks
are recognizable by the fact that View - Page Style
- No Style makes them go away. But both tricks
are meant to make the page break with javascript
disabled.

I've never actually seen a message to disable my
ad blocker because I don't allow script. I've also never
used an ad blocker. I just use a HOSTS file and haven't
seen ads for ages. Though for most daily browsing I
also block 3rd-party images. If there were any honest
ads that were actually on the pages I'm visiting, I'd
see them.


 




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