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  #16  
Old August 17th 18, 05:40 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.html,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default can someone test an OGG video on linux?
On 08/17/2018 09:17 AM, dale wrote:

[snip]

the code checks MP4 first, then OGG before it throws a message

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* video controls
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* source
src="https://www.dalekelly.org/images/Capture_20161219_2.mp4"
type="video/mp4"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* source
src="https://www.dalekelly.org/images/Capture_20161219_2.ogg"
type="video/ogg"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Your browser does not support the MP4 or OGG video tags.
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* /video


There was a bug in an older browser (was it an iPhone?) what caused it
to check only the first SOURCE, and this browser required MP4. For
this reason, a lot of web pages have MP4 first. This doesn't seem to
cause a problem. On a browser that doesn't recognize MP4, it should fall
through properly.

I see you have included the TYPE attribute of source. It's even better
to include codecs. This is an example of what I have:

VIDEO HEIGHT="240" WIDTH="320" CONTROLS
SOURCE SRC="/video/xmas2008.mp4" TYPE='video/mp4;
codecs="avc1.4D401E, mp4a.40.2"' /
SOURCE SRC="/video/xmas2008.webm" TYPE='video/webm;
codecs="vp8,vorbis"' /
SOURCE SRC="/video/xmas2008.ogg" TYPE='video/ogg;
codecs="theora,vorbis"' /
/VIDEO

The codecs listed here seem to work with the standard video formats
(although not with a misnamed MP4).

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ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it." -- Albert Einstein
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  #17  
Old August 17th 18, 05:48 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default can someone test an OGG video on linux?
[snip]

I don't think slapping .ogg on the filename, makes
it an OGG. The ffprobe output doesn't mention the
container type, just the video and audio codecs.

I was surprised when I saw that (First is was a BMP with a JPG
extension). I didn't expect anybody would believe that renaming
something would change what it is.

BTW, you CAN do the conversion with VLC.

You can use .ogg for video, if you have a way to make the server return
the correct MIME type (video/ogg instead of audio/ogg), although some
people use .ogv for OGG videos.

[snip]

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ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it." -- Albert Einstein
  #18  
Old August 17th 18, 07:27 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.html,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
dale
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Default can someone test an OGG video on linux?
On 8/17/2018 12:27 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

Use this online tool to convert your file format.

https://www.zamzar.com/convert/mp4-to-ogg/


only supports OGG audio, as far as I see

thanks though




On 17/08/2018 15:17, dale wrote:

tl;drÂ*Â* snipped





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  #19  
Old August 17th 18, 08:02 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.html,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
dale
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Default Maybe SOLVED
As per suggestion the file I thought was an OGG video was still an MP4

In the convert options of VLC I didn't select a "profile"

now, these were done from:


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.mp4

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/images/Capture_20161219_2.mp4

to:


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.ogg

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/images/Capture_20161219_2.ogg

using the Video - Theora + Vorbis (OGG) profile

it opens in Firefox, which was a problem noted

you can see my HTML5 implementation:

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...er/weblog.html

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/weblog.html

on the "BLOG" selection in the site in my signature


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  #20  
Old August 17th 18, 08:19 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.html,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
dale
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Default can someone test an OGG video on linux?
On 8/17/2018 12:40 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/17/2018 09:17 AM, dale wrote:

[snip]

the code checks MP4 first, then OGG before it throws a message

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* video controls
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* source
src="https://www.dalekelly.org/images/Capture_20161219_2.mp4"
type="video/mp4"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* source
src="https://www.dalekelly.org/images/Capture_20161219_2.ogg"
type="video/ogg"
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Your browser does not support the MP4 or OGG video tags.
Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* /video


There was a bug in an older browser (was it an iPhone?) what caused it
to check only the first SOURCE, and this browser required MP4. For
this reason, a lot of web pages have MP4 first. This doesn't seem to
cause a problem. On a browser that doesn't recognize MP4, it should fall
through properly.

I see you have included the TYPE attribute of source. It's even better
to include codecs. This is an example of what I have:

VIDEO HEIGHT="240" WIDTH="320" CONTROLS
Â* SOURCE SRC="/video/xmas2008.mp4" TYPE='video/mp4;
codecs="avc1.4D401E, mp4a.40.2"' /
Â* SOURCE SRC="/video/xmas2008.webm" TYPE='video/webm;
codecs="vp8,vorbis"' /
Â* SOURCE SRC="/video/xmas2008.ogg" TYPE='video/ogg;
codecs="theora,vorbis"' /
/VIDEO

The codecs listed here seem to work with the standard video formats
(although not with a misnamed MP4).


Thanks ! Will give it a try. My size is handled in a style in the header
of the page I use it in

style

video {

max-width: 100%;

height: auto;

}

/style

this way the size moves as the size of the browser moves

--
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  #21  
Old August 17th 18, 10:23 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Maybe SOLVED
dale wrote:
As per suggestion the file I thought was an OGG video was still an MP4

In the convert options of VLC I didn't select a "profile"

now, these were done from:

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.mp4

to:

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.ogg

using the Video - Theora + Vorbis (OGG) profile

it opens in Firefox, which was a problem noted

you can see my HTML5 implementation:

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...er/weblog.html

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/weblog.html

on the "BLOG" selection in the site in my signature

Both video files play in Firefox on Mint 18.1.

Paul
  #22  
Old August 17th 18, 11:17 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
dale
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Default Maybe SOLVED
On 8/17/2018 5:23 PM, Paul wrote:
dale wrote:
As per suggestion the file I thought was an OGG video was still an MP4

In the convert options of VLC I didn't select a "profile"

now, these were done from:

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.mp4

to:

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.ogg

using the Video - Theora + Vorbis (OGG) profile

it opens in Firefox, which was a problem noted

you can see my HTML5 implementation:

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...er/weblog.html

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/weblog.html

on the "BLOG" selection in the site in my signature

Both video files play in Firefox on Mint 18.1.

Â*Â* Paul

Thanks Much !!!

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  #23  
Old August 17th 18, 11:28 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.html,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default can someone test an OGG video on linux?
On 08/17/2018 02:19 PM, dale wrote:

[snip]

Thanks ! Will give it a try. My size is handled in a style in the header
of the page I use it in

And I left out that the codecs= line helps the browser know when it
can't play a file, so it can move on tho the next one.

style

Â*Â*Â*Â*video {

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* max-width: 100%;

Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* height: auto;

Â*Â*Â*Â*}

/style

this way the size moves as the size of the browser moves

Sounds like a good idea. I have several such in my page. One piece of
website testing I to is to try to make everything reasonable (with no
horizontal scrolling) in the narrowest window that FF will allow.

--
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http://notstupid.us/

"I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider
ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it." -- Albert Einstein
  #24  
Old August 17th 18, 11:30 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.html,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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Default Maybe SOLVED
On 08/17/2018 02:02 PM, dale wrote:
As per suggestion the file I thought was an OGG video was still an MP4

In the convert options of VLC I didn't select a "profile"

now, these were done from:


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.mp4


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/images/Capture_20161219_2.mp4


to:


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.ogg


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/images/Capture_20161219_2.ogg


using the Video - Theora + Vorbis (OGG) profile

it opens in Firefox, which was a problem noted

you can see my HTML5 implementation:

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...er/weblog.html

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/weblog.html

on the "BLOG" selection in the site in my signature

It seems to be working now.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider
ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority
behind it." -- Albert Einstein
  #25  
Old August 18th 18, 12:13 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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Default can someone test an OGG video on linux?
On 2018-08-17 18:22, Sam E wrote:
On 08/17/2018 08:44 AM, dale wrote:

[snip]

my HTML5 code checks MP4 first, so this works with firefox on windows,
but if I open the OGG file directly I see it doesn't work

Simple. It doesn't work because it's not an OGG.


cer@Telcontar:~ file Capture_20161219_2.ogg
Capture_20161219_2.ogg: ISO Media, MP4 Base Media v1 [IS0 14496-12:2003]
cer@Telcontar:~

Note "FileExtension_Invalid" below.

cer@Telcontar:~ mediainfo Capture_20161219_2.ogg
General
Complete name : Capture_20161219_2.ogg
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom (mp41/avc1)
File size : 186 KiB
Duration : 5 s 867 ms
Overall bit rate : 259 kb/s
Encoded date : UTC 2018-08-17 10:04:12
Tagged date : UTC 2018-08-17 10:04:12
Writing application : vlc 3.0.3 stream output
FileExtension_Invalid : mov mp4 m4v m4a m4b m4p 3ga 3gpa 3gpp 3gp 3gpp2 3g2 k3g jpm jpx mqv ismv isma ismt f4a f4b f4v

Video
ID : 2
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile :
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 5 s 867 ms
Bit rate : 124 kb/s
Width : 800 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 5:3
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 30.000 FPS
Minimum frame rate : 29.990 FPS
Maximum frame rate : 30.010 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.011
Stream size : 88.6 KiB (48%)
Writing library : x264 core 148
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x13 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=23.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2018-08-17 10:04:12
Tagged date : UTC 2018-08-17 10:04:12

Audio
ID : 1
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 6B
Duration : 5 s 799 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 128 kb/s
Maximum bit rate : 131 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 kHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 90.4 KiB (49%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2018-08-17 10:04:12
Tagged date : UTC 2018-08-17 10:04:12
mdhd_Duration : 5799


cer@Telcontar:~



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  #26  
Old August 18th 18, 12:54 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.html,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
dale
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On 8/17/2018 6:30 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/17/2018 02:02 PM, dale wrote:
As per suggestion the file I thought was an OGG video was still an MP4

In the convert options of VLC I didn't select a "profile"

now, these were done from:


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.mp4


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/images/Capture_20161219_2.mp4


to:


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...20161219_2.ogg


https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/images/Capture_20161219_2.ogg


using the Video - Theora + Vorbis (OGG) profile

it opens in Firefox, which was a problem noted

you can see my HTML5 implementation:

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/webs...er/weblog.html

https://github.com/dalekellytoo/website/blob/master/weblog.html

on the "BLOG" selection in the site in my signature

It seems to be working now.


Thanks Much !!!

--
dale - https://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.
  #27  
Old August 18th 18, 12:57 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.html,comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
dale
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Default can someone test an OGG video on linux?
On 8/17/2018 6:28 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
One piece of website testing I to is to try to make everything
reasonable (with no horizontal scrolling) in the narrowest window that
FF will allow.

might be a more simple approach for me, thanks much

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