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  #76  
Old November 5th 19, 08:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear


I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of
data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.


I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.


Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.

In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd interpret
"shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the
right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the
OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less literally ;-)

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  #77  
Old November 5th 19, 08:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 2019-11-05 12:00 p.m., NY wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear

I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of
data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite
direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.


I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate
it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.


Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase
before. I wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.

In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd
interpret "shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the
left and the right of the direction they were running, but the second
example, and the OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to
think less literally ;-)


it's an all around saying
  #78  
Old November 5th 19, 08:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
Char Jackson
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:00:58 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear

I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of
data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.


I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.


Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.

In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd interpret
"shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the
right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the
OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less literally ;-)


Exactly. As another example, back in 1983 when they said "It's raining men"
it wasn't really raining men. :-)

Sorry, that was mostly for my own amusement.

  #79  
Old November 5th 19, 08:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/4/2019 5:24 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:53:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On 11/4/2019 11:12 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:54:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On 11/3/2019 7:42 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/2/2019 7:05 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:

Sorry about the off-topic question, but I don't know where else to ask this.

I'm been trying Thunderbird 68.2.1 as my newsreader, rather than Agent,
which I used to use. I like some things about Thunderbird better than
Agent and some less, so I haven't yet decided which to stick with. But I
have a Thunderbird question:

A cross-posted message is showing up in each folder I open that it's
been cross-posted to. Is it possible to have it appear only once? If so,
what should I change to make that happen.

Thunderbird newsgroup: mozilla.support.thunderbird
Mozilla NNTP server: news.mozilla.org, port 119

OK, I just subscribed to it. My memory of a problem was wrong.

I'm curious, did you subscribe to it on news.individual.net or on
news.mozilla.org? Are the two groups mirrored?


news.mozilla.org. As far as I know, news.individual.net doesn't carry it.


OK, thanks. I see that Newshosting and AstraWeb both carry such a group but
I have no idea if it's the same group that's on the mozilla server.




By the way, not only have I gotten no answers to either of the two
questions I posted there, I have seen only a handful of messages on
other subjects there since I subscribed to it several days ago. I also
subscribed to the FireFox forum there and have seen almost no messages
there either. They both seem useless.


Just like mail, most forums have moved to the web.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...munity-support

Or try Reddit. that seems to have a similar-ish structure to usenet at
r/Thunderbird



  #80  
Old November 5th 19, 09:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Char Jackson wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

individual.net, eternal-september, albasani, and non-Mozilla NNTP
servers don't carry the mozilla.* newsgroups.


Newshosting and AstraWeb, as two examples, carry at least 92 mozilla
newsgroups. As stated above, however, and based on what you're saying, I
assume they are not peered with the official mozilla groups. Is that right?


Last I checked, news.mozilla.org was a private NNTP server with peering
only to Google Groups (and Google didn't peer out from there).

Easy way to check would be to add accounts in your NNTP client to
news.mozilla.org, newshosting, and astraweb servers, subscribe to the
same newsgroups in each, and compare the articles available on each
server. Alas, since comparing hierarchical trees or threading of
articles between servers is not a typical client-side function, you'll
have to manually inspect the same newsgroup across different NNTP
servers to see if they match on the articles and threading on the
news.mozilla.org server.

Might be easier to look at articles in the mozilla.* newsgroups on the
Newshosting or Astraweb servers to see if the PATH header shows the
injection node (rightmost) came from Mozilla's NNTP server. If you're
on Newshosting, for example, and if articles got peered from Mozilla's
server to Newshosting's server, the PATH header should show:

PATH: newshostingserver!interveningnodes!mozillaser ver

There might be some trivial strings at the end, like
".Posted!not-for-mail", but those don't represent a node in the route
between peering servers. For example, I use individual.net and you use
Newshosting (who uses Highwinds for the actual Usenet backbone), so the
PATH header that I see for your article on Newshosting to get peered to
my NNTP server is:

PATH: uni-berlin.de!interveningnodes!news.highwinds-media.com!fx45.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
|___________| |_______________________|
my NNTP server Highwinds
individual.net (Usenet backbone provider)
(Berlin Univ.)

If you visit one of the mozilla.* newsgroups available at Newshosting,
do you see a PATH header that similar to:

PATH:
newshostingserver!interveningnodes!news.mozill a.org[.POSTED][!not-for-mail]

When you use Mozilla's NNTP server to read the mozilla.* newsgroups, you
will see news.mozilla.org got "peered" to Giganews. Well, it wasn't
really peered. Mozilla's newsgroups are hosted at Giganews, but
Giganews provides a server or interface there for Mozilla's use.

https://www.giganews.com/news/article/mozilla.html

When connecting to news.mozilla.org and reading articles on that server
that were posted by other users, you'll see:

PATH: giganews.com!nntp.mozilla.org!news.mozilla.org
|____________________________________________|
It's all at Giganews (Mozilla is a subdomain)

To see in another way:

nslookup news.mozilla.org
Name: news.mozilla.giganews.com (mozilla is a subdomain of giganews)
Address: 216.166.97.169
Aliases: news.mozilla.org

and a reverse DNS shows:

nslookup 216.166.97.169
Name: news.mozilla.giganews.com (mozilla hosted at giganews)
Address: 216.166.97.169

Mozilla is using Giganews' services, like Newshosting uses Highwinds
(well, as I recall, Newshosting is a reseller of Highwinds).

With Giganews peering with others, maybe the mozilla.* newsgroups are
getting wider exposure.

You can see Mozilla still operates their newsgroups as mailing lists and
uses an NNTP-to-e-mail gateway to provide a Usenet "face". In posts
submitted to their newsgroups using their e-mail server, you will see
headers in an article on the Usenet/NNTP side that are just for e-mail
and nothing to do with NNTP.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/forums/
"They are set up so they can be read as newsgroups, mailing lists or web
groups"

For example, their Thunderbird support newsgroup is accessible via:

[E-]Mailing List:
Newsgroup: mozilla.support.thunderbird (on news.mozilla.org hosted on Giganews)
Web forum:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!fo...rt.thunderbird

If Giganews was peering out Mozilla's articles to other NNTP servers,
like Newshosting/Highwinds and Astraweb, then why don't those same
articles end up getting peered to individual.net and Eternal-September?
  #81  
Old November 5th 19, 09:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11/5/2019 11:24 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 19.18, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days


That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail
client.

I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).



Many people use gmail, and very few of them even realize that an e-mail
client is an option with it.


I asked if they wanted me to set it up for them. Said no.

It also works if they want to check mail on somebody else's computer.



Back in the days before I had a laptop and before wifi was prevalent,
when I traveled I would often go to an internet cafe to check my email.
I used webmail for that because I had no choice. But on my own computer
at home, I still used an e-mail client. If someone wants to check mail
on somebody else's computer, he can use webmail, but that's no reason
for him to use it at home.



Nothing to setup, nothing remains (well, I'm not sure, but anyway).

Ah, once or twice that other computer was running Linux. They didn't
even notice :-p

It's not about PREFERRING webmail, but about being unwilling to try
anything else.



Depends on the individual. I think there are three reasons:

1. unwilling to try anything else, as you say.

2. Not knowing they have another choice.

3. Preferring webmail.

What percentage of people fall into each category I don't know, but if I
had to guess, I would guess the greatest number fall into number 2.


All of those, IMHO.



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  #82  
Old November 5th 19, 09:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear

I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading of
data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.


I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.


Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.



I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either.



In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd interpret
"shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the
right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the
OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less literally ;-)



--
Ken
  #83  
Old November 5th 19, 09:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_7_]
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On 11/5/2019 12:48 PM, Chris wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/4/2019 5:24 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:53:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On 11/4/2019 11:12 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 07:54:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On 11/3/2019 7:42 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/2/2019 7:05 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:

Sorry about the off-topic question, but I don't know where else to ask this.

I'm been trying Thunderbird 68.2.1 as my newsreader, rather than Agent,
which I used to use. I like some things about Thunderbird better than
Agent and some less, so I haven't yet decided which to stick with. But I
have a Thunderbird question:

A cross-posted message is showing up in each folder I open that it's
been cross-posted to. Is it possible to have it appear only once? If so,
what should I change to make that happen.

Thunderbird newsgroup: mozilla.support.thunderbird
Mozilla NNTP server: news.mozilla.org, port 119

OK, I just subscribed to it. My memory of a problem was wrong.

I'm curious, did you subscribe to it on news.individual.net or on
news.mozilla.org? Are the two groups mirrored?


news.mozilla.org. As far as I know, news.individual.net doesn't carry it.

OK, thanks. I see that Newshosting and AstraWeb both carry such a group but
I have no idea if it's the same group that's on the mozilla server.




By the way, not only have I gotten no answers to either of the two
questions I posted there, I have seen only a handful of messages on
other subjects there since I subscribed to it several days ago. I also
subscribed to the FireFox forum there and have seen almost no messages
there either. They both seem useless.


Just like mail, most forums have moved to the web.



Yes, I know. Same with the Microsoft forums, alas. The Microsoft web
forums are *greatly* inferior to the old usenet forums, in my opinion.



https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...munity-support

Or try Reddit. that seems to have a similar-ish structure to usenet at
r/Thunderbird



Thanks. I'll look into that.


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  #84  
Old November 5th 19, 10:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 2019-11-05 1:50 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear

I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading
of data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading
from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite
direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.

I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate
it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.


Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase
before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.



I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either.



In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd
interpret
"shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the
right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the
OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less
literally ;-)



common saying in canada ,
things flying left and right ,
people running left and right ,
cars coming left and right
  #85  
Old November 5th 19, 11:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E. R.[_2_]
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On 05/11/2019 21.48, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 11:24 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 19.18, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days


That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail
client.

I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only
gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I
hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).


Many people use gmail, and very few of them even realize that an e-mail
client is an option with it.


I asked if they wanted me to set it up for them. Said no.

It also works if they want to check mail on somebody else's computer.



Back in the days before I had a laptop and before wifi was prevalent,
when I traveled I would often go to an internet cafe to check my email.
I used webmail for that because I had no choice. But on my own computer
at home, I still used an e-mail client. If someone wants to check mail
on somebody else's computer, he can use webmail, but that's no reason
for him to use it at home.


It is if computers are something complicated and difficult for that
person. Just one program to learn, not two.

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Carlos E.R.
  #86  
Old November 6th 19, 12:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_7_]
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On 11/5/2019 3:56 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 21.48, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 11:24 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 19.18, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days


That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest e-mail
client.

I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only
gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I
hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).


Many people use gmail, and very few of them even realize that an e-mail
client is an option with it.

I asked if they wanted me to set it up for them. Said no.

It also works if they want to check mail on somebody else's computer.



Back in the days before I had a laptop and before wifi was prevalent,
when I traveled I would often go to an internet cafe to check my email.
I used webmail for that because I had no choice. But on my own computer
at home, I still used an e-mail client. If someone wants to check mail
on somebody else's computer, he can use webmail, but that's no reason
for him to use it at home.


It is if computers are something complicated and difficult for that
person. Just one program to learn, not two.




Perhaps some people see it that way, but as far as I'm concerned it's
nonsense. You have to learn how to do e-mail, regardless of what program
or how many programs you use. It's no harder to learn to do it in almost
any e-mail program than it is in a browser.

And many of the people who do webmail used to use an e-mail client, and
already know how to do it that way. Rather than doing webmail because
its one program to learn, not two, I think the reason for most people is
that they don't realize the e-mail service they use (for example, gmail)
can be done in an e-mail client.



--
Ken
  #87  
Old November 6th 19, 12:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
Char Jackson
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:03:51 -0700, % wrote:

On 2019-11-05 1:50 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
...
By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear

I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading
of data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading
from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite
direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.

I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate
it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.

Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase
before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.



I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either.



In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd
interpret
"shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the
right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the
OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less
literally ;-)



common saying in canada ,
things flying left and right ,
people running left and right ,
cars coming left and right


I thought it was fairly common in the US, as well, but apparently not.

  #88  
Old November 6th 19, 12:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E. R.[_2_]
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On 06/11/2019 00.10, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 3:56 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 21.48, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 11:24 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 19.18, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days


That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard
for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest
e-mail
client.

I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only
gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP
inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I
hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).


Many people use gmail, and very few of them even realize that an
e-mail
client is an option with it.

I asked if they wanted me to set it up for them. Said no.

It also works if they want to check mail on somebody else's computer.


Back in the days before I had a laptop and before wifi was prevalent,
when I traveled I would often go to an internet cafe to check my email.
I used webmail for that because I had no choice. But on my own computer
at home, I still used an e-mail client. If someone wants to check mail
on somebody else's computer, he can use webmail, but that's no reason
for him to use it at home.


It is if computers are something complicated and difficult for that
person. Just one program to learn, not two.




Perhaps some people see it that way, but as far as I'm concerned it's
nonsense. You have to learn how to do e-mail, regardless of what program
or how many programs you use. It's no harder to learn to do it in almost
any e-mail program than it is in a browser.


And what you prefer is nonsense to this people :-P

There are people that, for example, find an exasperating nightmare to
copy files from a an usb stick or a camera to the computer, and need
calling someone to do it for them. Don't tell them to use a mail client
when they are already happy and content using webmail.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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Old November 6th 19, 12:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics,alt.checkmate
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Default Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right.

On 2019-11-05 4:25 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:03:51 -0700, % wrote:

On 2019-11-05 1:50 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 12:00 PM, NY wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:42:29 -0000, "NY" wrote:

"%" wrote in message
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By the way, Business Class Internet is the cheapest way
to get (truly) unlimited gigabytes.
Downloading 10 GigaByte videos, left and right, is nothing to me.

and after that do you crank it up your ear

I'm still trying to work out what he means by "Downloading 10 GigaByte
videos, *left and right*".

What have directions "left" and "right" got to do with downloading
of data?
I'd have wondered whether he was distinguishing between downloading
from
remote server to local computer and uploading in the opposite
direction -
but he has already said that he is downloading.

I'm sure it's just a (fairly common) figure of speech. I'd translate
it as
"routinely, frequently, all of the time, on a regular basis", etc.

Oh, right. I've learned something today. I've not heard the phrase
before. I
wonder if it's more common in the US than in the UK.


I'm in the US, and I've never seen or heard it before either.



In the first example of
https://www.phrasemix.com/phrases/do...left-and-right I'd
interpret
"shooting people left and right" as meaning literally to the left and the
right of the direction they were running, but the second example, and the
OP's example, are used more figuratively. I need to think less
literally ;-)



common saying in canada ,
things flying left and right ,
people running left and right ,
cars coming left and right


I thought it was fairly common in the US, as well, but apparently not.

some people don't get out much i guess
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Old November 6th 19, 12:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 11/5/2019 4:26 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/11/2019 00.10, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 3:56 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 21.48, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 11:24 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 05/11/2019 19.18, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/5/2019 10:16 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

and email is all webmail these days


That's incredible to me, but yes, it's largely true. It's hard
for me
understand why anyone would prefer webmail to even the poorest
e-mail
client.

I once set up an internet connection for a friend, and the ISP only
gave
instructions for webmail. This was apparently because the ISP
inserted
their spam in every message sent that way.

This person would have been an involuntary spammer for years if I
hadn't
tried some server names and found their ISP supported POP3 as well as
webmail (they just hid that fact).


Many people use gmail, and very few of them even realize that an
e-mail
client is an option with it.

I asked if they wanted me to set it up for them. Said no.

It also works if they want to check mail on somebody else's computer.


Back in the days before I had a laptop and before wifi was prevalent,
when I traveled I would often go to an internet cafe to check my email.
I used webmail for that because I had no choice. But on my own computer
at home, I still used an e-mail client. If someone wants to check mail
on somebody else's computer, he can use webmail, but that's no reason
for him to use it at home.

It is if computers are something complicated and difficult for that
person. Just one program to learn, not two.




Perhaps some people see it that way, but as far as I'm concerned it's
nonsense. You have to learn how to do e-mail, regardless of what program
or how many programs you use. It's no harder to learn to do it in almost
any e-mail program than it is in a browser.


And what you prefer is nonsense to this people :-P



Of course.


There are people that, for example, find an exasperating nightmare to
copy files from a an usb stick or a camera to the computer, and need
calling someone to do it for them. Don't tell them to use a mail client
when they are already happy and content using webmail.



I don't tell anyone what to do. At the most, I make suggestions.
Everyone is free to do whatever he wants to do, whether or not I think
it's nonsense.

As an example of what I mean, my wife uses Edge on her computer. As far
as I'm concerned, Edge is far and away the worst of all browsers, but
she continues to use it. I've suggested that she she switch to FireFox,
which is what I use and prefer, but she's not interested in making a
change (probably because she doesn't want to learn something new).
That's OK with me, despite my thinking it's a terrible choice; it's her
place to make her own choices; I can't and won't tell her what to do.

And one more comment about "Don't tell them to use a mail client
when they are already happy and content using webmail." Many people are
content to do someone the way they've always done it, even when there's
clearly a better way, simply because they know nothing about the better
way, and therefore don't see any advantage to changing. That's true in
all walks of life, not just computers.


--
Ken
 




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