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On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:13:42 -0500, chrisv wrote:

Big Bad Bob wrote:

Lying Lloyd Parsons wrote:

Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.

and you say that, because... ?

"Lloyd" is a Mactarded troll. I would advise filtering his garbage.

'chrisv' is a linux loonie that never uses linux, instead preferring to
use Windows. So you might want to consider the source...




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On 2015-09-15 2:03 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 09/15/15 10:34, Lloyd Parsons so wittily quipped:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:26:20 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:

On 09/15/15 05:46, A.M so wittily quipped:
On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:

On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
Jenny Telia
Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:


[although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support at
this time, but may in the future...]

Don't count out IBM.


Haha haaaa...

Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their PCs
now ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in spirit
- an 'empty suit' organisation. Yes, Bill Gates helped pull the
rug under their feet. However they were always destined for
mediocrity. May they RIP ('Rot in Peace').


OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from **** poor
marketing by comparison and some shady **** MS pulled. I ran Os/2
Warp v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!

Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT rather
than Windows or Linux.

While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...

I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
phenomenon.

I took a class in OS/2 presentation manager programming at a local
community college, right before Windows 3.0 was released. I believed
that IBM's API was superior in a lot of ways, and I liked the function
naming better (object/verb instead of verb/object - so 'WindowCreate()'
for OS/2, 'CreateWindow()' for MS Windows).

Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely forgotten.

yep. OS/2 couldn't run the new 32-bit windows applications out of the
box.

Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.

not entirely. there ARE others, but Linux is the best candidate. It's
winning the "phone war" (via Android), it's winning the 'embedded' war
(via busybox and OpenWRT and things like that), and it appears to be
winning for SLABS as well (e-readers and MeGo and 'droid slabs and
whatnot).

but yeah, Linux has the best shot at the moment.

Still you can't count out things like 'GhostBSD'...

Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.


and you say that, because... ?

Probably because as it is, Linux doesn't interest most users (1.5% of
the world's desktops use it) and even those who _are_ interested tend to
get alienated fairly quickly as a result of how broken the system is.


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A.M

On 9/15/15, 11:01 AM, in article
, "Big Bad Bob"
wrote:

On 09/14/15 21:51, Snit so wittily quipped:
evidence, or heresay.

Glad you asked. Here, just SOME evidence... much of it (though not all) from
peer-reviewed journals. Sorry... know it is overwhelming, so I have
summarized it first. But all backed up by the links I provide, below:

* Watching Fox is correlated with being less informed than watching no
news at all or even with watching Comedy Central

that's not EVIDENCE, it's YOUR OPINION.

http://illinois-online.org/krassa/ps...y%20Lewis%2020
03.pdf

http://www.comm.ohio-state.edu/kgarrett/MediaMosqueRumors.pdf

http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

http://www.poynter.org/news/mediawir...eners-best-inf
ormed-fox-news-viewers-worst-informed/

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/oct03/IraqMedia_Oct03_rpt.pdf

http://gabe.palomares.com.au/uni/56.full%20-%20Copy.pdf

http://archive.battlecreekenquirer.com/assets/pdf/A51963891026.pdf

http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/...ents/global_wa
rming/Is-News-Corp-Failing-Science.pdf

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...on_Dec10_rpt.p
df

http://woods.stanford.edu/sites/defa...rming-Fox-News
..pdf

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-the...urce-among-all
-americans/

http://prq.sagepub.com/content/63/4/834

http://hij.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/10/13/1940161211425410.abstract

I show you all those (and more) and you claim it is merely my "opinion".

LOL!

Is there ANY level of science you actually accept?

And your own site... why not comment on the absolute nonsense it is?

I have.

http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/review-of-bobf-site.pdf

You claim to be a super genius... but your site does not rise to the level
of a Jr. High paper on the topic.

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On 09/15/15 05:42, chrisv so wittily quipped:
Peter Köhlmann wrote:

My wife has used both Sibelius and Finale on computers of friends who run
these pograms (she is a musician and a teacher, as well as those friends).
She did not like them because both were way too complex for most tasks and
have very steep learning curves. She felt that those programs are only OK
for someone who does noteediting most of the time, whereas she makes music
and teaches, noteediting is something she does not that often.

My daughter runs "Capella" which is more than good enough for 99% of
noteedit tasks

What? There is no one "best tool" for everyone? Even in this small
portion of the market, there is a need for multiple choices, for the
different needs and skill-sets of the users?


snark detector activated. *beep*

yeah like no "one best OS" - Surprise, Microsoft! [of course Windows 10
epitomizes 'the suck' part of Windows, so you'd have to go back to 7 for
it to be usable again]

sorta like ".Not" wasn't the "best tool" for programming, regardless of
Mono's brief entry into the world of open source [for a short time, it
was packaged with gnome, because of ONE application, 'tomboy', which I
think created *ENOUGH* outrage that it was removed a short time later,
along with all of those Mono dependencies].

and of course, "the METRO" isn't the "best tool" for programming,
either, because it *STINKS* *ON* *ICE* and makes Java look *GOOD*!

[it even makes HTML applications in Android look *GOOD*!]

and of course, no "one best UI" either - one UI to rule them all, one UI
to find them, one UI to bring them all, and in Windows 10 [with adware
and spyware], *BIND THEM*. And with ugly 2D window decorations, the
FLAT look like Windows 1.01 - oh, don't believe me? HERE!

http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/win101


heh, heh, heh!

(windows 10 - they left out the '.', should be 1.0 !)

On 09/15/15 02:00, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Lloyd Parsons wrote:

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 23:53:39 +0000, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 16:51:03 -0700, Snit wrote:

On 9/14/15, 4:25 PM, in article ,
"Lloyd wrote:

Especially on linux use Frescobaldi + LilyPond. They yield very
high qualitiy note sheets

Thank you, Peter. These are the types of posts I have been
encouraging you to write. Good to see you work to raise the level of
your comments.


It is a area in software you don't have the foggiest about

It is also a area where OSX is lacking any software worth mentioning.
Linux and windows have a much better selection of software in this
area than OSX could ever hope for. The OSX offerings are primitive
and/or very expensive in comparison

Absolute and complete bull****! Music OCR software is on both OSX and
Windows, not on Linux at all. Professional music engraving software
is on WIndows and OSX and neither of them are on Linux at all. Linux
may have a numbers advantage here only if you count some really poor
software and only one that is up to snuff for music engraving.

Do you know of any good titles on OS X?

Haven't you been reading??

Sibelius, Finale - the two competing professional level music engraving
applications.
PhotoScore, SmartScore - the only two music OCR applications left, or at
least I think that is true.

All are Windows and OSX cross-platform applications.

And for the impaired mental midget Petey:
http://www.lilypond.org/easier-editing.html

Note: Linux, OSX and Windows all supported.


I know that they are. But does that detract from the fact that one of the
best music editors works on linux?

Hah! I doubt it. It's like watching a Grade B movie using linux apps.


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On 09/15/15 06:42, chrisv wrote:
Peter Köhlmann wrote:

My wife has used both Sibelius and Finale on computers of friends who run
these pograms (she is a musician and a teacher, as well as those friends).
She did not like them because both were way too complex for most tasks and
have very steep learning curves. She felt that those programs are only OK
for someone who does noteediting most of the time, whereas she makes music
and teaches, noteediting is something she does not that often.

My daughter runs "Capella" which is more than good enough for 99% of
noteedit tasks

What? There is no one "best tool" for everyone? Even in this small
portion of the market, there is a need for multiple choices, for the
different needs and skill-sets of the users?


Multiple choices for Turdv a

1. A brown turd.
2. A black turd.
3. A multi-colored turd.
4. Runny turds.



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bottom, and have a longer blanket."

On 09/15/15 12:13, chrisv wrote:
Big Bad Bob wrote:

Lying Lloyd Parsons wrote:

Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.

and you say that, because... ?

"Lloyd" is a Mactarded troll. I would advise filtering his garbage.



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could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

On 09/14/15 21:26, mike wrote:
On 9/14/2015 8:15 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 09/14/15 11:56, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:50:22 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

On 09/13/15 13:32, Neil wrote:
On 9/13/2015 1:46 PM, GreyCloud wrote:

I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind
of standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
But it can be done.

It's not likely to get done with any open source product because there
are no "developer's control organizations" that limit the next guy
with
the "better" idea from revising the source code or specs. Even W3C
(HTML) wasn't able to maintain standards beyond 4.01 so now we have
"recommended practices", and there are a lot more reasons to
standardize HTML than for Linux.

I think you are right in this regards. There maybe some hope from HPs
"The Machine" project, but I'm not holding my breath.

The problem that Linux has is both a benefit and a downside,
depending on
what you want from desktop Linux. For hobbyists and developers the idea
of free and open with all the distros and GUIs is a big plus.

But that is what is anathema to a successful commercial product.
Canonical made and is still making some very right steps for a
commercial
products. But much of what they've done has been howled about within the
Linux community. They've gone their own way and even added some
commercial software into the mix. From a "I want to sell it" point of
view, those are great steps. Solid message, good looking product and the
right mix of free and commercial software. Unfortunately the Linux
community will keep those that might have considered it from even trying
it.

Such poor attitudes, downright snobby!




Makes it sound like the linux community are either hard core marxists or
just a bunch of cheap skates that won't pay for anything. Sort of like
Henry Kissingers remarks about useless eaters.

Not clear that's true. Many linux users brag about how they bought
expensive
hardware that was linux compatible and berate those of us who just want to
use what we already have.

In my case it got to be too expensive for the oracle yearly licensing
fees, so I just went win7 on an HP tower. Later I tried RedHat paid,
and now back to the free version of Solaris.
It's fun but after using computers since the late 60s, the novelty is
wearing off. I think this is my last computer as nothing really new and
different has shown up.

Linux users get what they want from linux, or they wouldn't be using it.
They don't care what you want. It works for them, "FOAD windows whiner!"
Making linux easier to use and promoting compatible software is just not
interesting to them. For them, it's not broke.
They'd lose their elitist status if they fixed it so you could use it.

And that is the problem with the linux community... snobbery. Of course
being from the old school of IBM and then DEC, then Sun, I have to laugh.


I think it is a good idea to sell software for linux as it gives
incentives to try harder.

Would be interesting to see the statistics on how many programmers
writing free linux code have shifted to Android in hopes of making a few
bux for their efforts via playstore.

Anyone that can program, and has win10 now, can get the free VS2013 that
allows cross programming for Android, iPhone, and windows phone, plus
the visual emulators to test the code. So it looks like this is a
window of opportunity.



--
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

On 15.09.15 20:11, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:03:43 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:

On 09/15/15 10:34, Lloyd Parsons so wittily quipped:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:26:20 -0700, Big Bad Bob wrote:

On 09/15/15 05:46, A.M so wittily quipped:
On 2015-09-14 7:55 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:42:35 -0400, A.M wrote:

On 2015-09-14 6:51 PM, Diesel wrote:
Jenny Telia
Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:26:01 GMT in alt.comp.freeware, wrote:

On 13/09/2015 20:49, Big Bad Bob wrote:


[although I like BSD, it doesn't have the same kinds of support
at this time, but may in the future...]

Don't count out IBM.


Haha haaaa...

Are they the geniuses that gave us OS2? The Chinese make their
PCs now ('Lenovo') and IBM have become what they always were in
spirit - an 'empty suit' organisation. Yes, Bill Gates helped
pull the rug under their feet. However they were always destined
for mediocrity. May they RIP ('Rot in Peace').


OS2/Warp was a superior OS to Windows. It suffered from **** poor
marketing by comparison and some shady **** MS pulled. I ran Os/2
Warp v4 myself.. it rocked on a 486!

Well, OS/2 still exists as eComStation. You're free to use IT
rather than Windows or Linux.

While I loved OS/2 that ship has sailed...

I spent my adolescence assuming that OS/2 was going to become a
phenomenon.

I took a class in OS/2 presentation manager programming at a local
community college, right before Windows 3.0 was released. I believed
that IBM's API was superior in a lot of ways, and I liked the function
naming better (object/verb instead of verb/object - so
'WindowCreate()'
for OS/2, 'CreateWindow()' for MS Windows).

Once Windows 95 came out though, OS/2 was completely forgotten.

yep. OS/2 couldn't run the new 32-bit windows applications out of the
box.

Now, the only thing standing in the way of Microsoft's complete
dominance of the x86 and x64 platforms is Linux.

not entirely. there ARE others, but Linux is the best candidate.
It's winning the "phone war" (via Android), it's winning the
'embedded' war (via busybox and OpenWRT and things like that), and it
appears to be winning for SLABS as well (e-readers and MeGo and 'droid
slabs and whatnot).

but yeah, Linux has the best shot at the moment.

Still you can't count out things like 'GhostBSD'...

Desktop linux has no shot at taking over the desktop.


and you say that, because... ?

Simple history and trends. If after 20+ years of getting no traction on
the desktop, it isn't going to happen now. And that's because you have
two competing interests in the linux desktop arena.

Interest #1 is the overall community that loves the plethora of distros
and UIs. As a free and open OS with a strong hobbyist/developer
community behind that thought it is good. but...

Interest #2 is the vastly smaller part that would like to get some
commercial success with Linux desktop. For them the number of distros
and UIs make having a consistent marketing message nearly impossible to
do.

Doesn't help that when Canonical made a run at that with a mix of free
and commercial software the 'community' howled loudly. Couple that with
probably the poorest batch of support forums out there and almost no
actual formal support structure and you have the prescription for failure.

Note that I'm not at all saying that Linux on the desktop isn't
technically a good OS, just that from a marketing/sales point of view,
there is no way to make it a commercial success.




Well.... Android (unix based) is quite successful.....

Maybe we are headed for the Android Desktop?

(PS, dont tell this to Google please)

On 09/14/15 21:42, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 09/14/15 20:26, mike so wittily quipped:
On 9/14/2015 8:15 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 09/14/15 11:56, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:50:22 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

On 09/13/15 13:32, Neil wrote:
On 9/13/2015 1:46 PM, GreyCloud wrote:

I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind
of standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
But it can be done.

It's not likely to get done with any open source product because there
are no "developer's control organizations" that limit the next guy
with
the "better" idea from revising the source code or specs. Even W3C
(HTML) wasn't able to maintain standards beyond 4.01 so now we have
"recommended practices", and there are a lot more reasons to
standardize HTML than for Linux.

I think you are right in this regards. There maybe some hope from HPs
"The Machine" project, but I'm not holding my breath.

The problem that Linux has is both a benefit and a downside,
depending on
what you want from desktop Linux. For hobbyists and developers the idea
of free and open with all the distros and GUIs is a big plus.

But that is what is anathema to a successful commercial product.
Canonical made and is still making some very right steps for a
commercial
products. But much of what they've done has been howled about within
the
Linux community. They've gone their own way and even added some
commercial software into the mix. From a "I want to sell it" point of
view, those are great steps. Solid message, good looking product and
the
right mix of free and commercial software. Unfortunately the Linux
community will keep those that might have considered it from even trying
it.

Such poor attitudes, downright snobby!




Makes it sound like the linux community are either hard core marxists or
just a bunch of cheap skates that won't pay for anything. Sort of like
Henry Kissingers remarks about useless eaters.

Not clear that's true. Many linux users brag about how they bought
expensive
hardware that was linux compatible and berate those of us who just want to
use what we already have.
Linux users get what they want from linux, or they wouldn't be using it.
They don't care what you want. It works for them, "FOAD windows whiner!"
Making linux easier to use and promoting compatible software is just not
interesting to them. For them, it's not broke.
They'd lose their elitist status if they fixed it so you could use it.

heh, there's THOSE guys, too.

So "bad Linux users" include:

a) the socialists
b) the anarchists
c) the elitist snobs


LOL!!!

and

d) the rest of us, who just want an OS that does things for us that
Linux does very very very well.


Very much the point. There is one area in the C/C++/Fortran area and
that happens to be interval math. The sun libs have that library.
Other than that, linux will work.
There are some that use the linux VAX simulator to do some old work.


I think it is a good idea to sell software for linux as it gives
incentives to try harder.

Would be interesting to see the statistics on how many programmers
writing free linux code have shifted to Android in hopes of making a few
bux for their efforts via playstore.

probably a LOT. But Android code is typically Java, with 'droid APIs,
not "Linux" per se.


Not my area, but there is the free VS2013 that will allow you to write
and run code developed for the Android, iPhone, and windows phone.


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When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
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could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
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On 09/15/15 04:14, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Big Bad Bob wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On 09/14/15 20:42, Big Bad Bob so wittily quipped:
So "bad Linux users" include:

a) the socialists
b) the anarchists
c) the elitist snobs

and

d) the rest of us, who just want an OS that does things for us that
Linux does very very very well.

er, 'd' not being "bad" (oops)

too bad I can't edit

But you're pretty good at making up stuff.

You missed your calling as fairy tale writer, Creepy.

--
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
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could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

On 09/15/15 11:27, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 09/15/15 03:14, Chris Ahlstrom so wittily quipped:
Big Bad Bob wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On 09/14/15 20:42, Big Bad Bob so wittily quipped:
So "bad Linux users" include:

a) the socialists
b) the anarchists
c) the elitist snobs

and

d) the rest of us, who just want an OS that does things for us that
Linux does very very very well.

er, 'd' not being "bad" (oops)

too bad I can't edit

But you're pretty good at making up stuff.


eh? ~what~ exactly have I 'made up'?

you're free to disbelieve me if you want. It doesn't bother me. But I
do _NOT_ lie. I'm not a 'Clinton'.


Creepy is just one weird dude. He's an MS hater and shows no qualms
about it, yet he makes his living in an MS shop.


--
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

On 09/14/15 21:40, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 09/14/15 20:15, GreyCloud so wittily quipped:
On 09/14/15 11:56, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:50:22 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

On 09/13/15 13:32, Neil wrote:
On 9/13/2015 1:46 PM, GreyCloud wrote:

I've been hoping for linux developers to merge and agree on some kind
of standard, but I've been waiting for over 20 years and no soap yet.
But it can be done.

It's not likely to get done with any open source product because there
are no "developer's control organizations" that limit the next guy with
the "better" idea from revising the source code or specs. Even W3C
(HTML) wasn't able to maintain standards beyond 4.01 so now we have
"recommended practices", and there are a lot more reasons to
standardize HTML than for Linux.

I think you are right in this regards. There maybe some hope from HPs
"The Machine" project, but I'm not holding my breath.

The problem that Linux has is both a benefit and a downside, depending on
what you want from desktop Linux. For hobbyists and developers the idea
of free and open with all the distros and GUIs is a big plus.

But that is what is anathema to a successful commercial product.
Canonical made and is still making some very right steps for a commercial
products. But much of what they've done has been howled about within the
Linux community. They've gone their own way and even added some
commercial software into the mix. From a "I want to sell it" point of
view, those are great steps. Solid message, good looking product and the
right mix of free and commercial software. Unfortunately the Linux
community will keep those that might have considered it from even trying
it.

Such poor attitudes, downright snobby!




Makes it sound like the linux community are either hard core marxists or
just a bunch of cheap skates that won't pay for anything. Sort of like
Henry Kissingers remarks about useless eaters.

heh, I don't recall that one (the Kissinger remark) - I should look it
up, use it myself. Goes along with Ayn Rand and "moochers and looters".


http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2013/...opulation-and/

A few good quotes.

I think it is a good idea to sell software for linux as it gives
incentives to try harder.

works for me!

yeah, too many socialist types making loud noises in the Linux
community. And yet, a LOT of true capitalists, who recognize that an
occasional "co-op" effort is highly profitable! OpenWRT is another good
example. It helps the entire industry.

this is the kind of thing that could make Linux "the next platform" and
KEEP it that way, indefinitely, giving people INFINITE choice
possibilities, along with supported hardware, supported software, and
all of the things that Windows does now.


Pretty much was what I mean. Some of the apps aren't that well thought
out, but could use a lot of improvements. The ideas aren't bad, just
needs to be refined. The incentives would be to get paid for improving it.


--
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

On 09/14/15 22:55, mike wrote:
On 9/14/2015 8:40 PM, Big Bad Bob wrote:


yeah, too many socialist types making loud noises in the Linux
community. And yet, a LOT of true capitalists, who recognize that an
occasional "co-op" effort is highly profitable! OpenWRT is another good
example. It helps the entire industry.

this is the kind of thing that could make Linux "the next platform" and
KEEP it that way, indefinitely, giving people INFINITE choice
possibilities, along with supported hardware, supported software, and
all of the things that Windows does now.


Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE.
How about a little STANDARDIZATION with a side of STABILITY.
Give poor joe average a chance to get started and start learning
before you pull the rug out from under him with another distro
or update to the current one that throws everything up in the air
just for fun.
We need ONE standard desktop linux so everybody can start on the same
page. And you have a chance of asking a question and getting a relevant
answer.
The gurus can still fork theirs up from the repository of infinite choice.
People would write scripts to convert the baseline to their own forked
version and it would be constructed from the exact same repository of
vetted/evaluated/compatible files. No version issues or dependency hell.
There'd be so many forkers with nothing to do that we'd have
a flood of new/compatible/vetted software in the repository.

Once you decide to make a GUI-centric OS, you can do a LOT under the
hood with trivial changes to the GUI. "Hey look, a new option,"
sounds a lot better than, "How the hell was I to know that there
was a new CLI option to do what I need?"

It's not rocket science. All it takes is leadership and developers
willing to follow the plan instead of forking off on their own.


I concur. Trouble is, there isn't any leadership. Linus could pull it
off, if he had a mind to.


--
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."

On 09/14/15 21:52, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 09/14/15 20:18, GreyCloud so wittily quipped:
On 09/14/15 13:05, Big Bad Bob wrote:
On 09/14/15 10:52, GreyCloud so wittily quipped:
On 09/14/15 02:49, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

In
"p-0''0-h the cat (UK) - The voice of the Sheeple"
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:14:15 +0200 (CEST), Bubba wrote:

I'm hoping that Linux developers are closely monitoring
this Micro$py 10 runaway train speeding down the tracks,
so that might further motivate them to join forces and
standardize the Linux OS into a Windows-like, user friendly
version that will become very popular among disillusioned,
more like betrayed and disgusted, Windows users. And PC
hardware manufacturers might consider jumping ship from
the proprietary sinking wreck of the RM$ Titanic.

Too funny.

Once M$ put an Indian in charge of the company, all ethics went
out the window.

These are the same scum who engineer American workers out of
jobs and then send the work to India.

Those "American workers" - are they as stupid as you are, dizum coward?

You can blame the NEAs agenda on that one.
This country has already gone down the tubes, thanks to them.
That's why they have to get the VISA carded foreigners to do the
engineering now.



heh, probably true. they're busy indoctrinating the 'young skulls full
of mush' in the glory of leftism, radical environmentalism, and reverse
racism [it's all "whitey's" fault], and failing to educate in areas that
would actually STIMULATE creativity (music, art), and swapping in the
poetry of Maya Angeloo instead of the poetry of Robert Louis Stevensen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert...enson#Politics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Chil...rden_of_Verses

And don't forget teaching kids NOT to think for themselves. It's harder
to *control* a free thinking person. better start *EARLY* to PREVENT
it...

And the "new new math" that's part of 'common core'... Ew.

http://truthinamericaneducation.com/...math-problems/



These are *ALL* recipes for *FAIL* for the next generation.

and don't EVEN get me started on the drugging of non-linear minded
creative students that fidget because they're *BORED* in a class filled
with linear-minded kids, so they get DRUGGED with Ritalin instead, to
force their little minds to "dumb down" so they won't distrupt.

nevermind that great inventors like THOMAS EDISON was a kid like that!
Guess what HE ended up being like? yeah. take the best and brightest,
dumb them down, make the nail that sticks out GET THE HAMMER, train
people NOT to excel, NOT to do better, and NOT give rewards if they ever
*DO* do better.

Recipe for FAIL.

No WONDER Windows 10 looks the way it does! it was designed by the
children of THIS kind of education system!


I thought it was designed in India. It has the cultures characteristics
showing a bit.

But I agree with you on the education system. A pure mess.
Ask any teacher today why they don't teach how to get rich. They have
no idea, yet it is supposed to be an education system. Guess you have
to send the kid to Harvard to learn the ins and outs of shady dealings
for business.



oh, come on, now, not ALL businesses are "shady". But a lot of them
appear to be. They give money to politicians to buy legislation in
their favor.


That's where a lot of our politicians went to college. LOL!!!

Then there are the CORE businesses, the smaller ones, who are like me, I
think... [yeah, /me owns a corporation, not earning enough money with it
either, but I stick with it because I don't wanna be a wage slave]


But the school system doesn't teach small business 101.
If they knew, most of them would bail out of the state school system.

--
When told the reason for daylight savings time the Old
Indian said, "Only the government would believe that you
could cut a foot off the top of a blanket, sew it to the
bottom, and have a longer blanket."