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mike wrote:

chrisv wrote:
mike wrote:

It only takes one "gottahave" to nix the exit to desktop linux.
Most every windows desktop user has at least one "gottahave" that
renders linux unacceptable FOR THEM.

Many do, yes, but many only think they do. MSO is a prominent example
of software that many home users think that they need, but the fact is
that most do not.

Without a doubt, many more people could do just fine with GNU/Linux
than what are using it today. They just don't know it.

I see that you're forcing YOUR choices onto others.

I see that you are a bald-faced liar.

One more like that and I'm sending you deep, "mike".

Choice is only helpful if it's MY choice.

--
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advocate" Hadron Quark

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

I never advocated fewer choices.

"Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike"

(remainder snipped, unread)

I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you
were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be
better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on
competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the
offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all.

Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia"
somewhere, comrad.

Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with
the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have
no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is
fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches.

But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/
consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about
linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing.




--
Lloyd

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:15:17 -0500, chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

chrisv wrote:
mike wrote:

It only takes one "gottahave" to nix the exit to desktop linux. Most
every windows desktop user has at least one "gottahave" that renders
linux unacceptable FOR THEM.

Many do, yes, but many only think they do. MSO is a prominent example
of software that many home users think that they need, but the fact is
that most do not.

Without a doubt, many more people could do just fine with GNU/Linux
than what are using it today. They just don't know it.

I see that you're forcing YOUR choices onto others.

I see that you are a bald-faced liar.

One more like that and I'm sending you deep, "mike".

Choice is only helpful if it's MY choice.

and another truth that chrisv doesn't like and he posts about it from
windows again.




--
Lloyd

In article
chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

chrisv wrote:
mike wrote:

It only takes one "gottahave" to nix the exit to desktop linux.
Most every windows desktop user has at least one "gottahave" that
renders linux unacceptable FOR THEM.

Many do, yes, but many only think they do. MSO is a prominent example
of software that many home users think that they need, but the fact is
that most do not.

Without a doubt, many more people could do just fine with GNU/Linux
than what are using it today. They just don't know it.

I see that you're forcing YOUR choices onto others.

I see that you are a bald-faced liar.

One more like that and I'm sending you deep, "mike".

Choice is only helpful if it's MY choice.

--
"Typical shifty freetard response as expected." - "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark

On 9/16/15, 1:13 PM, in article ,
"chrisv" wrote:

mike wrote:

I never advocated fewer choices.

"Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike"

I would say it has far too LITTLE choice.


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On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

I never advocated fewer choices.

"Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike"

(remainder snipped, unread)

I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only you
were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be
better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on
competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the
offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all.

Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia"
somewhere, comrad.

Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy with
the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And I have
no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and is
fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches.

But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the commercial/
consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about
linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing.





Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly
in the rest.
As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer
world will grow.

http://thevarguy.com/open-source-app...ercent-dell-pc

http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx

India is switching over also.

--
Caver1

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

I never advocated fewer choices.

"Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike"

(remainder snipped, unread)

I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only
you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be
better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on
competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the
offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all.

Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia"
somewhere, comrad.

Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy
with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And
I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and
is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches.

But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the
commercial/
consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about
linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing.





Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly
in the rest.

Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for
specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in
total.

As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer
world will grow.

That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more
than a pipe dream.


http://thevarguy.com/open-source-app...panies/091515/
ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc

http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx

India is switching over also.

The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every
year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year,
there will be another story similar to it.

But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same.



--
Lloyd

On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

I never advocated fewer choices.

"Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike"

(remainder snipped, unread)

I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only
you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be
better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on
competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the
offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all.

Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia"
somewhere, comrad.

Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy
with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And
I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and
is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches.

But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the
commercial/
consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about
linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing.





Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly
in the rest.

Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for
specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in
total.

No correction needed.

As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer
world will grow.

That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more
than a pipe dream.


http://thevarguy.com/open-source-app...panies/091515/
ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc

http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx

India is switching over also.

The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every
year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year,
there will be another story similar to it.

But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same.




Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing in
large chunks.
Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not
part of the "market"
By the way that is just two examples.

--
Caver1

On 9/16/15, 2:40 PM, in article , "Lloyd
Parsons" wrote:

Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly
in the rest.

Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for
specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in
total.

As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer
world will grow.

That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more
than a pipe dream.


http://thevarguy.com/open-source-app...panies/091515/
ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc

http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx

India is switching over also.

The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every
year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year,
there will be another story similar to it.

But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same.

It has grown slightly over the years... and this is impressive when you
consider the size of the market (number of users) and the fact it has,
overall, grown:

http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/LinuxTrendNov2007-Present.png

Roughly 1% in 2010... now about 1.5%. But hardly a major player.

And keep in mind this is not *a* product but many different ones being
combined: Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, PCLOS, and on and on and on. All of those
COMBINED have that tiny sliver of use.



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* Mint KDE creating files: http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8
* Mint KDE help: http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:45:45 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

I never advocated fewer choices.

"Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike"

(remainder snipped, unread)

I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only
you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be
better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on
competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the
offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all.

Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia"
somewhere, comrad.

Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy
with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux.
And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the
market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches.

But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the
commercial/
consumer world. That's because the things you believe important
about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever
changing.





Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing
rapidly in the rest.

Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for
specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in
total.

No correction needed.

As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer
world will grow.

That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more
than a pipe dream.


http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-
companies/091515/
ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc

http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx

India is switching over also.

The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear
every year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time
next year,
there will be another story similar to it.

But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same.




Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing in
large chunks.
Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not
part of the "market"
By the way that is just two examples.

Except for the fact that it isn't growing by even small chunks, you are
absolutely correct. And I'd say give it 5 years and it might just make
1.55% at the rate it is growing now.




--
Lloyd

On 09/16/2015 06:18 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:45:45 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

I never advocated fewer choices.

"Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike"

(remainder snipped, unread)

I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only
you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be
better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on
competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the
offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all.

Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia"
somewhere, comrad.

Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy
with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux.
And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the
market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches.

But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the
commercial/
consumer world. That's because the things you believe important
about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever
changing.





Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing
rapidly in the rest.

Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for
specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in
total.

No correction needed.

As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer
world will grow.

That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more
than a pipe dream.


http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-
companies/091515/
ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc

http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx

India is switching over also.

The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear
every year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time
next year,
there will be another story similar to it.

But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same.




Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing in
large chunks.
Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not
part of the "market"
By the way that is just two examples.

Except for the fact that it isn't growing by even small chunks, you are
absolutely correct. And I'd say give it 5 years and it might just make
1.55% at the rate it is growing now.





When it grows at the rate of 20-25000 at one time I would say that is
large chunks.

--
Caver1

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 18:27:17 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 06:18 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:45:45 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

I never advocated fewer choices.

"Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike"

(remainder snipped, unread)

I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If
only you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world
would be better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and
"redundant" work on competing ideas on how to do things best. You
would disallow the offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux,
for the good of us all.

Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia"
somewhere, comrad.

Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are
happy with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop
linux. And I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of
the market and is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech
niches.

But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the
commercial/
consumer world. That's because the things you believe important
about linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever
changing.





Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing
rapidly in the rest.

Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for
specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop
in total.

No correction needed.

As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer
world will grow.

That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is
more than a pipe dream.


http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-
companies/091515/
ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc

http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx

India is switching over also.

The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear
every year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time
next year,
there will be another story similar to it.

But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same.




Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing
in large chunks.
Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not
part of the "market"
By the way that is just two examples.

Except for the fact that it isn't growing by even small chunks, you are
absolutely correct. And I'd say give it 5 years and it might just make
1.55% at the rate it is growing now.





When it grows at the rate of 20-25000 at one time I would say that is
large chunks.

When that actually happens let me know. Sure hasn't happened yet.




--
Lloyd

On 9/16/2015 2:45 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 09/16/2015 05:40 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:25:47 -0400, Caver1 wrote:

On 09/16/2015 04:17 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:13:14 -0500, chrisv wrote:

mike wrote:

I never advocated fewer choices.

"Desktop linux already has WAY too much CHOICE." - "mike"

(remainder snipped, unread)

I know. You think that you know better than everyone else. If only
you were dictator, and could allocate resources, the world would be
better-off. You would eliminate "wasteful" and "redundant" work on
competing ideas on how to do things best. You would disallow the
offering of anything but one STANDARD Linux, for the good of us all.

Maybe you should consider starting your own communist "utopia"
somewhere, comrad.

Time after time, post after post, you demonstrate that you are happy
with the hobbyist/developer open and free model for desktop linux. And
I have no problem with that. It gathers a solid 1.5% of the market and
is fringe enough to fill that tiniest of tech niches.

But then don't complain when linux desktop goes nowhere in the
commercial/
consumer world. That's because the things you believe important about
linux desktop are exactly what prevents that from ever changing.





Linux has taken over some of the commercial world and is growing rapidly
in the rest.

Let's correct that a bit. It has been taken in by some companies for
specific purposes but very few have switched to linux on the desktop in
total.

No correction needed.

As different gov'ts and businesses switch to Linux then the consumer
world will grow.

That's been the story for 20+ years now. No indication that it is more
than a pipe dream.


http://thevarguy.com/open-source-app...panies/091515/
ubuntu-linux-based-open-source-os-runs-42-percent-dell-pc

http://tinyurl.com/pr2d3bx

India is switching over also.

The story is nice, another 'this is the year of linux' that appear every
year for almost 20 years now. When the dust settles this time next year,
there will be another story similar to it.

But the 1.5% of marketshare will remain the same.




Nobody said anything about a year. Just showing that Linux is growing in
large chunks.
Who care about market share. Most Linux distros aren't sold so are not
part of the "market"
By the way that is just two examples.

Nice sound bite.
Would be much more persuasive if the article had stated how many units.
42% of how many units. And how does that compare to the population
of China?

These articles find some niche and extrapolate that to desktop linux
success.

Many of the "successes" have been in cases where some organization
created an appliance based on linux and forced the organization to comply.
That's an excellent application for linux. Gurus install/configure/maintain
the appliance optimized for the work of the user. That's great.
Linux deserves to used on the desktop. If it saves my tax dollars
so the government can spend it on other crap I don't need, I'm all for it.

But, that's a far cry from joe average making the decision to
use linux as his only computing platform on his home desktop.
Many are not willing to risk leaping into that deep/dark chasm
that is the linux desktop experience. Once you get past surfing
the web, the "choices" are mind boggling. A little organization
on the part of developers could make a huge change in that overnight.
They just don't want to. And that's sad.

On 09/16/15 10:51, chrisv so wittily quipped:
Big Bad Bob wrote:

chrisv wrote:

Without a doubt, many more people could do just fine with GNU/Linux
than what are using it today. They just don't know it.

that's where *MARKETING* would come in nicely.

Yes, but...

But such a thing does
NOT exist (that I'm aware of) for Linux and other open source operating
systems (like BSD).

It's a two-edged sword - the product is free, but this means that
there is no money for marketing.


what to do about THAT then... *SOMEHOW* there can be a way to MONETIZE
open source operating systems...

I think that if INTEL wants to sell computers, and MICROSOFT is SCREWING
THE POOCH, that maybe it's time for Intel and AMD and Lenovo and HP and
Acer and others to, well, *COUGH* *UP* *SOME* *CASH* and get a marketing
campaign going for Linux, and they [and we] ALL benefit!

On 09/16/15 11:23, Anonymous so wittily quipped:
Linux Mint does a great job of most of these things, just needs
a bit more fine tuning.

and it doesn't look like gnome 3 or unity.

Complicated consumes time and entertains, simple sells.

possibly, possibly not. you can have BOTH, I think (both complex AND
simple), by use of default and advanced configs.