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  #31  
Old November 6th 14, 06:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 04/11/14 10:47, John Aldred wrote:
My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different
from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10.


For heavens sake, I wish everyone would remember it is in its early
stages of development and is really an alpha stage. What do you expect
for such an early build and offering?

Rather than whinging and moaning, as humans tend to so often do, the
more constructive option is to offer suggestions.

From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the official
unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent release of the
WTP, most of those comments with the exception of some are along the
lines of unhelpful whining with a good measure of wanting to stick to
the familiarity of the past.

I can well imagine what most humans would be like if they encountered
extraterrestrial civilizations, as they would in the main try to convert
them to not only the human perspective but to the past methodologies of
the human race they feel more comfortable with. Familiarity often,
insofar as humans are concerned, breeds contempt of the different.
Humans really need to grow up and to expand their minuscule minds.


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Old November 6th 14, 06:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 05/11/14 01:37, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 04/11/2014 4:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
HS wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Surprised they haven't dropped 32bit version of Win10.

In my office I have one DOS program that I use.
I therefore need 32 bit version.

DOSbox or DOSemu?


Exactly. I can't imagine that there is still a need for there to be
integrated DOS support in light of the existence of free software to
create virtual environments and then run FreeDOS as well as DOS
emulation software which is 100% compatible.

I especially don't think that it makes sense for Microsoft to cater to
these legacy users and compromise on new features to please them. If
you still need to run DOS applications, either run an older version of
Windows which runs them properly or do the right thing and run them
within an emulator of some sort.


Yes, I'm all for gutting an OS, until there's nothing left.
"All I really need to do all day, is update my Facebook page."
(Plays with long blonde trusses and chews bubblegum.) /s
Paul


Preference should be given to starting afresh, rather than the gutting
you suggest. Then again, this would be considered to much work and
trouble for the measly human mentality.

  #33  
Old November 6th 14, 07:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:15:24 +1100, Cyber Trekker wrote:

On 05/11/14 01:37, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 04/11/2014 4:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
HS wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Surprised they haven't dropped 32bit version of Win10.

In my office I have one DOS program that I use.
I therefore need 32 bit version.

DOSbox or DOSemu?

Exactly. I can't imagine that there is still a need for there to be
integrated DOS support in light of the existence of free software to
create virtual environments and then run FreeDOS as well as DOS
emulation software which is 100% compatible.

I especially don't think that it makes sense for Microsoft to cater to
these legacy users and compromise on new features to please them. If
you still need to run DOS applications, either run an older version of
Windows which runs them properly or do the right thing and run them
within an emulator of some sort.


Yes, I'm all for gutting an OS, until there's nothing left.
"All I really need to do all day, is update my Facebook page."
(Plays with long blonde trusses and chews bubblegum.) /s
Paul


Preference should be given to starting afresh, rather than the gutting
you suggest. Then again, this would be considered to much work and
trouble for the measly human mentality.


1. Have you noticed that starting afresh often leaves one with an OS
sorely in need of gutting?

2. Did you notice that Paul was being sarcastic?

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  #34  
Old November 6th 14, 07:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials transferred
from the old XP machine. etc
Should keep me out of mischief for a while :-)


Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for it.


Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.

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  #35  
Old November 6th 14, 08:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06/11/2014 5:10 PM, Cyber Trekker wrote:
On 04/11/14 10:47, John Aldred wrote:
My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different
from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10.


For heavens sake, I wish everyone would remember it is in its early
stages of development and is really an alpha stage. What do you expect
for such an early build and offering?

Rather than whinging and moaning, as humans tend to so often do, the
more constructive option is to offer suggestions.

From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the official
unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent release of the
WTP, most of those comments with the exception of some are along the
lines of unhelpful whining with a good measure of wanting to stick to
the familiarity of the past.

I can well imagine what most humans would be like if they encountered
extraterrestrial civilizations, as they would in the main try to convert
them to not only the human perspective but to the past methodologies of
the human race they feel more comfortable with. Familiarity often,
insofar as humans are concerned, breeds contempt of the different.
Humans really need to grow up and to expand their minuscule minds.


The main prerequisite for ready acceptance of something new is that it
should be better than it was before - other wise the change is
pointless. Windows 8 and 8.1 did not meet that criterion - by a long
way. I reserve judgement until the later versions of Windows 10 to see
if it falls into the same category. For the desktop user it has a long
way to go.

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  #36  
Old November 6th 14, 09:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Cyber Trekker wrote on 11/6/2014 12:10 PM:
From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the official
unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent release of the
WTP, most of those comments with the exception of some are along the
lines of unhelpful whining ....


From this comment, do I infer that you've seen some the the MS feedback?
I for one feel that truly I loaded the product to give constructive suggestions. Yes, one might call some comments
whining, but saying I prefer a menu that is closer to XP (and I didn't) is my opinion and not whining (from one view
point), that is if it's said nicely.

But I do have to agree that this is barely off the drawing boards and months away from final. I'm kinda hoping they
release a new update to see what they may have started changing or fixing maybe?!


  #37  
Old November 6th 14, 11:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06-Nov-2014 15:44, Big_Al wrote:
Cyber Trekker wrote on 11/6/2014 12:10 PM:
From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the official
unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent release of the
WTP, most of those comments with the exception of some are along the
lines of unhelpful whining ....


From this comment, do I infer that you've seen some the the MS feedback?
I for one feel that truly I loaded the product to give constructive suggestions. Yes, one might call some comments
whining, but saying I prefer a menu that is closer to XP (and I didn't) is my opinion and not whining (from one view
point), that is if it's said nicely.

But I do have to agree that this is barely off the drawing boards and months away from final. I'm kinda hoping they
release a new update to see what they may have started changing or fixing maybe?!



There was an update a while back, the latest build is 9860.

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  #38  
Old November 6th 14, 11:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Leala wrote on 11/6/2014 5:10 PM:
On 06-Nov-2014 15:44, Big_Al wrote:
Cyber Trekker wrote on 11/6/2014 12:10 PM:
From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the official
unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent release of the
WTP, most of those comments with the exception of some are along the
lines of unhelpful whining ....


From this comment, do I infer that you've seen some the the MS feedback?
I for one feel that truly I loaded the product to give constructive suggestions. Yes, one might call some comments
whining, but saying I prefer a menu that is closer to XP (and I didn't) is my opinion and not whining (from one view
point), that is if it's said nicely.

But I do have to agree that this is barely off the drawing boards and months away from final. I'm kinda hoping they
release a new update to see what they may have started changing or fixing maybe?!



There was an update a while back, the latest build is 9860.

Yes, I have it, and saw little change. Course, there could have been thousands and no visual changes. :-)

  #39  
Old November 7th 14, 12:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 07/11/14 06:17, Bob Henson wrote:
On 06/11/2014 5:10 PM, Cyber Trekker wrote:
On 04/11/14 10:47, John Aldred wrote:
My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different
from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10.


For heavens sake, I wish everyone would remember it is in its early
stages of development and is really an alpha stage. What do you expect
for such an early build and offering?

Rather than whinging and moaning, as humans tend to so often do, the
more constructive option is to offer suggestions.

From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the official
unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent release of the
WTP, most of those comments with the exception of some are along the
lines of unhelpful whining with a good measure of wanting to stick to
the familiarity of the past.

I can well imagine what most humans would be like if they encountered
extraterrestrial civilizations, as they would in the main try to convert
them to not only the human perspective but to the past methodologies of
the human race they feel more comfortable with. Familiarity often,
insofar as humans are concerned, breeds contempt of the different.
Humans really need to grow up and to expand their minuscule minds.


The main prerequisite for ready acceptance of something new is that it
should be better than it was before - other wise the change is
pointless. Windows 8 and 8.1 did not meet that criterion - by a long
way. I reserve judgement until the later versions of Windows 10 to see
if it falls into the same category. For the desktop user it has a long
way to go.


The main prerequisite, as you put it, is not only for the up-and-coming
version(s) to be better than previous versions, but to hold to the
requisite open mind and not be so stuck in thew past as humans tend to do.

Although Windows 8 and indeed Windows 8.1 have their respective
shortcomings, there also exists the persistent problem of being too
influenced by the past and its methodologies. Many humans do not like
change and are to varying degrees adverse to it. Not every displeasure
with Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 is based entirely on the rational, rather
much to the adherence to the familiar.

I recall the same displeasure of many of the Linux users to the
different paradigmatic representation of the GNOME desktop environment.
That there were obvious shortcomings in the initial releases without
what are now called GNOME extensions, many people were more opposed to
change and a new look and feel instead of those glaring shortcomings.

To be frank, I don't really care all that much for the whingers and
moaners who just don't like change. They are as bad as those who merely
justify change for change's sake.

If only people would put as much time into working with the developers
by imparting positive suggestions, pointing out weaknesses and bugs that
may be found, perchance we'd end up with a vastly superior and more
reliable end product. Realizing, too, that we don't always get what we want

  #40  
Old November 7th 14, 12:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:56:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials transferred
from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a
while :-)


Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for
it.


Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.


Sometimes you get a pleasant surprise. I have a 20 year old HP Laserjet
4p connected to a parallel port card on a modern desktop machine. That
works on both Win 8.1 and Win 10 TP!
  #41  
Old November 7th 14, 12:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 07/11/14 05:53, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:15:24 +1100, Cyber Trekker wrote:

On 05/11/14 01:37, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 04/11/2014 4:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
HS wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Surprised they haven't dropped 32bit version of Win10.

In my office I have one DOS program that I use.
I therefore need 32 bit version.

DOSbox or DOSemu?

Exactly. I can't imagine that there is still a need for there to be
integrated DOS support in light of the existence of free software to
create virtual environments and then run FreeDOS as well as DOS
emulation software which is 100% compatible.

I especially don't think that it makes sense for Microsoft to cater to
these legacy users and compromise on new features to please them. If
you still need to run DOS applications, either run an older version of
Windows which runs them properly or do the right thing and run them
within an emulator of some sort.


Yes, I'm all for gutting an OS, until there's nothing left.
"All I really need to do all day, is update my Facebook page."
(Plays with long blonde trusses and chews bubblegum.) /s
Paul


Preference should be given to starting afresh, rather than the gutting
you suggest. Then again, this would be considered to much work and
trouble for the measly human mentality.


1. Have you noticed that starting afresh often leaves one with an OS
sorely in need of gutting?

2. Did you notice that Paul was being sarcastic?

Have you ever bothered to consider and realize that that which you
postulate does not have to be so?

Why, I ask and with all due respect, are humans so brain dead and base
their conclusions on presumptiveness from the negative?

  #42  
Old November 7th 14, 12:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 07/11/14 07:44, Big_Al wrote:
Cyber Trekker wrote on 11/6/2014 12:10 PM:
From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the official
unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent release of the
WTP, most of those comments with the exception of some are along the
lines of unhelpful whining ....


From this comment, do I infer that you've seen some the the MS feedback?
I for one feel that truly I loaded the product to give constructive suggestions. Yes, one might call some comments
whining, but saying I prefer a menu that is closer to XP (and I didn't) is my opinion and not whining (from one view
point), that is if it's said nicely.

But I do have to agree that this is barely off the drawing boards and months away from final. I'm kinda hoping they
release a new update to see what they may have started changing or fixing maybe?!


I have seen a lot of comments and have attempted to guide a lot of the
whingers and moaners into more constructive avenues in presenting their
viewpoints and suggestions.

Personally, I don't prefer the old way. This is the reason behind my
always presenting that in some things we need choice rather than as
those against the new would have it in having it only their way.

  #43  
Old November 7th 14, 12:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 07/11/14 09:10, Leala wrote:
On 06-Nov-2014 15:44, Big_Al wrote:
Cyber Trekker wrote on 11/6/2014 12:10 PM:
From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the official
unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent release of the
WTP, most of those comments with the exception of some are along the
lines of unhelpful whining ....


From this comment, do I infer that you've seen some the the MS feedback?
I for one feel that truly I loaded the product to give constructive
suggestions. Yes, one might call some comments
whining, but saying I prefer a menu that is closer to XP (and I
didn't) is my opinion and not whining (from one view
point), that is if it's said nicely.

But I do have to agree that this is barely off the drawing boards and
months away from final. I'm kinda hoping they
release a new update to see what they may have started changing or
fixing maybe?!



There was an update a while back, the latest build is 9860.


Yes, I know. I went from the original to build 9860 when it was
released. And, as always, my focus has been on helping to make the OS
better than it ever has been by constructive input without holding too
rigidly to the past.

If only I could tell you what is coming in the future, you would not
realize how different the OSes will be from that which people have ever
known.

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Old November 7th 14, 03:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:48:51 +1100, Cyber Trekker wrote:

On 07/11/14 05:53, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:15:24 +1100, Cyber Trekker wrote:

On 05/11/14 01:37, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 04/11/2014 4:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
HS wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Surprised they haven't dropped 32bit version of Win10.

In my office I have one DOS program that I use.
I therefore need 32 bit version.

DOSbox or DOSemu?

Exactly. I can't imagine that there is still a need for there to be
integrated DOS support in light of the existence of free software to
create virtual environments and then run FreeDOS as well as DOS
emulation software which is 100% compatible.

I especially don't think that it makes sense for Microsoft to cater to
these legacy users and compromise on new features to please them. If
you still need to run DOS applications, either run an older version of
Windows which runs them properly or do the right thing and run them
within an emulator of some sort.


Yes, I'm all for gutting an OS, until there's nothing left.
"All I really need to do all day, is update my Facebook page."
(Plays with long blonde trusses and chews bubblegum.) /s
Paul

Preference should be given to starting afresh, rather than the gutting
you suggest. Then again, this would be considered to much work and
trouble for the measly human mentality.


1. Have you noticed that starting afresh often leaves one with an OS
sorely in need of gutting?

2. Did you notice that Paul was being sarcastic?

Have you ever bothered to consider and realize that that which you
postulate does not have to be so?

Why, I ask and with all due respect, are humans so brain dead and base
their conclusions on presumptiveness from the negative?


Well, you could start by looking to yourself for answers.

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  #45  
Old November 7th 14, 03:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:47:19 -0600, John Aldred wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:56:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials transferred
from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a
while :-)

Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for
it.


Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.


Sometimes you get a pleasant surprise. I have a 20 year old HP Laserjet
4p connected to a parallel port card on a modern desktop machine. That
works on both Win 8.1 and Win 10 TP!


Wow...

Pleasant indeed, and a *total* surprise!

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