What in the HELLp is wrong with MS?

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger
program??

Nope. Never used it, never will use it.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 12:11:02 -0700, "Colin Barnhorst"
wrote:

Do you have a question for the group?

Please tell me where it says that a newsgroup, or this newsgroup, is for
posting questions only... MSN Messenger just happens to be a Windows Xp
product, no? And it just so happens to be written by the same people who
write the operating system...

thank you for pointing that out the posting restrictions to me..
...D.

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On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:28:20 -0500, "PA Bear" wrote:

The current, supported version of MSN Messenger is v6.2.0205.
http://messenger.msn.com

MSN Messenger-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....msn.messenger
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Hahahaha.. yes.. been through the hints and tips. You think I posted
without being through the wringer? I'm not going to log into the MSN
Messenger newsgroups yet one more time and try their suggestions.

In fact, lets look at you now. I posted in a single newsgroup. I didn't
cross-post. Yet in replying to your reply to my post, I am now
cross-posting out automatically. So I have a suggestion for you, I think
that you should read some of the posting etiquette somewhere in a
newsgroup yourself - you can pick the newsgroup out because your good at
pointing them out apparently.

You were replying to:
---------- begin quote:
....D. wrote:
You know, I bought my 1st computer in June 2003. In the span of time
between then and now something set in & I am a full fledged computer
junkie...

Microsoft cannot get a messenger program that doesn't have voice prolems
for more than just me.. I do not kmnow what their problem is..

When I first started computing, I tried Windows Messenger then went right
to MSN Messenger, as a friend directed me,. Sound problems.. I couldn't
be heard.. or we coupldn't connect when it tried for the voice channel.
He was on a modest home network, not me.. Tried every couple of days,
still no voice - my meter moved OK. It gets blurry here as to if I
couldn't hear him either at times - yes at times we could not connect and
messenger told us it was trying but timed out.. But a month later & all
worked fine .. success!! voice both ways. Everything else has always
worked (webcams & files transfers.)

Then a few weeks after that more voice problems. Maybe it worked a few
months later for a few days., but then more voice problems.

Well, eventually I just went with Yahoo Messenger all the way.. Joined as
Yahoo chat groom group even.. I have always used Yahoo Messenger and
never a problem, routers & home networks or not.. I don't like Yahoo's
limit on file size transfers I admit.

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger program??

I still kept MSN Messenger around, all of us Yahoo-ites did, just for
files transfers if nothing else.

So in the mean time I have a home network too. People were trying to
tell me a router is the problem, - well why?? Yahoo has no problem ever -
Microsoft badly designed their Messenger programs, just admit it. In the
MSN Messenger newsgroups, all kinds of people used to have sound problems.

Anyways, with MSN Messenger 3.2, I finally gave it a try with my friend
again, and there it is - it worked!! voice both ways!! and again and the
next day too! Great - they must have redesigned MSN messenger to account
for the problem.. And so my son also prefers MSN Messenger, and voice
worked with him too.

SOOOOO, I tell my old Yahoo friends (chatroom group no longer existed)
that I am only going to run one Messenger program, and I am now going to
use MSN Messenger, because MS finally got their crap together. That was a
week ago..

Then yesterday I go to talk to my friend again in MSN.. and there's the
re-occurring theme of old - "attempting to connect to
Donald....................." well of course it times out after a minute,
JUST LIKE BEFORE. And other times before we were connected, my meter
said I was talking, he couldn't hear me, I could hear him..

MS -WTF is your problem? Don't you care? People jump ship for things
like this - I did. But I didn't stay..

Or is it a problem with a huge company like Comcast cable maybe?? Well,
er.. no, I used to be on dial up for a year when I 1st had the problems..

Router. home network, whatever, I can't believe Yahoo can do it but the
king of computers can't..

...D.


...D.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:04:34 -0000, "Robert Moir"
wrote:

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger
program??

Nope. Never used it, never will use it.

Sure. Your opinion is noted. Voice not important for a messenger
program. Check.


...D.

....D. wrote:


Sure. Your opinion is noted. Voice not important for a messenger
program. Check.


...D.


At least not since 1876, when the telephone was invented. Instant
messaging is an otherwise useless toy meant to entertain teenagers, but
serves no other purpose.


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"...D." wrote in message
...
You know, I bought my 1st computer in June 2003. In the span of time
between then and now something set in & I am a full fledged computer
junkie...

Microsoft cannot get a messenger program that doesn't have voice prolems
for more than just me.. I do not kmnow what their problem is..

When I first started computing, I tried Windows Messenger then went right
to MSN Messenger, as a friend directed me,. Sound problems.. I couldn't
be heard.. or we coupldn't connect when it tried for the voice channel.
He was on a modest home network, not me.. Tried every couple of days,
still no voice - my meter moved OK. It gets blurry here as to if I
couldn't hear him either at times - yes at times we could not connect and
messenger told us it was trying but timed out.. But a month later & all
worked fine .. success!! voice both ways. Everything else has always
worked (webcams & files transfers.)

Then a few weeks after that more voice problems. Maybe it worked a few
months later for a few days., but then more voice problems.

Well, eventually I just went with Yahoo Messenger all the way.. Joined as
Yahoo chat groom group even.. I have always used Yahoo Messenger and
never a problem, routers & home networks or not.. I don't like Yahoo's
limit on file size transfers I admit.

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger program??

I still kept MSN Messenger around, all of us Yahoo-ites did, just for
files transfers if nothing else.

So in the mean time I have a home network too. People were trying to
tell me a router is the problem, - well why?? Yahoo has no problem ever -
Microsoft badly designed their Messenger programs, just admit it. In the
MSN Messenger newsgroups, all kinds of people used to have sound problems.

Anyways, with MSN Messenger 3.2, I finally gave it a try with my friend
again, and there it is - it worked!! voice both ways!! and again and the
next day too! Great - they must have redesigned MSN messenger to account
for the problem.. And so my son also prefers MSN Messenger, and voice
worked with him too.

SOOOOO, I tell my old Yahoo friends (chatroom group no longer existed)
that I am only going to run one Messenger program, and I am now going to
use MSN Messenger, because MS finally got their crap together. That was a
week ago..

Then yesterday I go to talk to my friend again in MSN.. and there's the
re-occurring theme of old - "attempting to connect to
Donald....................." well of course it times out after a minute,
JUST LIKE BEFORE. And other times before we were connected, my meter
said I was talking, he couldn't hear me, I could hear him..

MS -WTF is your problem? Don't you care? People jump ship for things
like this - I did. But I didn't stay..

Or is it a problem with a huge company like Comcast cable maybe?? Well,
er.. no, I used to be on dial up for a year when I 1st had the problems..

Router. home network, whatever, I can't believe Yahoo can do it but the
king of computers can't..

...D.

In article , ...D. says...

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:04:34 -0000, "Robert Moir"
wrote:

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger
program??

Nope. Never used it, never will use it.

Sure. Your opinion is noted. Voice not important for a messenger
program. Check.

I have played with voice in IM. I have played with CB radios. I am not,
currently, using either. They are novelties; but if I really need to make an
important call, the people I need to contact are just a telephone call away.

--
Norman
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....D. wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:04:34 -0000, "Robert Moir"
wrote:

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger
program??

Nope. Never used it, never will use it.

Sure. Your opinion is noted. Voice not important for a messenger
program. Check.

Well you *did* ask if we *all* agreed that voice is important in a messenger
program. I've personally been using these things called "Telephones". You
might have seen one...


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/Mea culpa/: I should have state I was crossposting my reply to MSN
Messenger newsgroup. Seeing your archived posts to that newsgroup, yours is
a problem of longstanding and certainly pre-dates installing SP2:
http://snipurl.com/dpfi.

I have no answer or fix for your problem. Since probably millions of other
MSN Messenger users can use Voice without problem and you cannot, I would
have to assume the problem is on your end and not with MSN Messenger.

Good luck.
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....D. wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 14:28:20 -0500, "PA Bear" wrote:

The current, supported version of MSN Messenger is v6.2.0205.
http://messenger.msn.com

MSN Messenger-specific newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof....msn.messenger
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MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security
Mastering Newsgroups in Outlook Express
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/...ewsgroups.mspx

Hahahaha.. yes.. been through the hints and tips. You think I posted
without being through the wringer? I'm not going to log into the MSN
Messenger newsgroups yet one more time and try their suggestions.

In fact, lets look at you now. I posted in a single newsgroup. I didn't
cross-post. Yet in replying to your reply to my post, I am now
cross-posting out automatically. So I have a suggestion for you, I think
that you should read some of the posting etiquette somewhere in a
newsgroup yourself - you can pick the newsgroup out because your good at
pointing them out apparently.

You were replying to:
---------- begin quote:
...D. wrote:
You know, I bought my 1st computer in June 2003. In the span of time
between then and now something set in & I am a full fledged computer
junkie...

Microsoft cannot get a messenger program that doesn't have voice prolems
for more than just me.. I do not kmnow what their problem is..
snip

VBEG

Harry Ohrn wrote:
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killf..._troll_faq.htm

Hi D,

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger program??
No, not really.

Ron Chamberlin
MS-MVP

"...D." wrote in message
...
You know, I bought my 1st computer in June 2003. In the span of time
between then and now something set in & I am a full fledged computer
junkie...

Microsoft cannot get a messenger program that doesn't have voice prolems
for more than just me.. I do not kmnow what their problem is..

When I first started computing, I tried Windows Messenger then went right
to MSN Messenger, as a friend directed me,. Sound problems.. I couldn't
be heard.. or we coupldn't connect when it tried for the voice channel.
He was on a modest home network, not me.. Tried every couple of days,
still no voice - my meter moved OK. It gets blurry here as to if I
couldn't hear him either at times - yes at times we could not connect and
messenger told us it was trying but timed out.. But a month later & all
worked fine .. success!! voice both ways. Everything else has always
worked (webcams & files transfers.)

Then a few weeks after that more voice problems. Maybe it worked a few
months later for a few days., but then more voice problems.

Well, eventually I just went with Yahoo Messenger all the way.. Joined as
Yahoo chat groom group even.. I have always used Yahoo Messenger and
never a problem, routers & home networks or not.. I don't like Yahoo's
limit on file size transfers I admit.

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger program??

I still kept MSN Messenger around, all of us Yahoo-ites did, just for
files transfers if nothing else.

So in the mean time I have a home network too. People were trying to
tell me a router is the problem, - well why?? Yahoo has no problem ever -
Microsoft badly designed their Messenger programs, just admit it. In the
MSN Messenger newsgroups, all kinds of people used to have sound problems.

Anyways, with MSN Messenger 3.2, I finally gave it a try with my friend
again, and there it is - it worked!! voice both ways!! and again and the
next day too! Great - they must have redesigned MSN messenger to account
for the problem.. And so my son also prefers MSN Messenger, and voice
worked with him too.

SOOOOO, I tell my old Yahoo friends (chatroom group no longer existed)
that I am only going to run one Messenger program, and I am now going to
use MSN Messenger, because MS finally got their crap together. That was a
week ago..

Then yesterday I go to talk to my friend again in MSN.. and there's the
re-occurring theme of old - "attempting to connect to
Donald....................." well of course it times out after a minute,
JUST LIKE BEFORE. And other times before we were connected, my meter
said I was talking, he couldn't hear me, I could hear him..

MS -WTF is your problem? Don't you care? People jump ship for things
like this - I did. But I didn't stay..

Or is it a problem with a huge company like Comcast cable maybe?? Well,
er.. no, I used to be on dial up for a year when I 1st had the problems..

Router. home network, whatever, I can't believe Yahoo can do it but the
king of computers can't..

...D.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:39:02 -0800, ...D. wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:04:34 -0000, "Robert Moir"
wrote:

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger
program??

Nope. Never used it, never will use it.

Sure. Your opinion is noted. Voice not important for a messenger
program. Check.

To a person that say.. likes to log into oh.. what - public chatrooms,
voice capability in some is a very nice feature..

Or, lets say a private chatroom group of what - 10 people - 15 people?
Nice to be in a private group where you know the people..

It sounds to me like Yahoo has a different type of user then. Sure, there
are many who don't want to use voice, but without voice for me and many
others, using Messenger for these funtions quite inadequate and won't
do.. I am just about the worst typer in the world for communicating in
Messenger programs when typing, itdsf connes outt likkee thiis...

And then there is my teenage son who live in another city far away, and my
best friend as far back as high school who has moved out of area too, and
a few other freinds who are far away - but gee - we like to talk voice and
not use the telephone (and pay)... And then, there is knowing my status
of availability & being able to start in with an IM to me & seamelessly
move int voice if wanted - and oh, BTW, what if some of your friends are
on dial up l,ike hald of the people in the USA - try calling them voice
with your so convenient telephone when they are online with you.., or just
online period...

Jeeez some of you guys have got to be MS plants..

See, I would not even mention a thing, but it started working when I got
the 6.2 latest upgrade, and I told everyone "go to MSN Messenger, it now
wsorks with the latest upgrade - I only want to run one Messenger
program",

....and wouldn't you know it, a few days later, back to the voice
problems.. My own fault I guess, i thought the leader of the fxxxking
world, Microsoft, finally solved this last perplexing problem of theirs..
The whole Messenger programs should be rewritten from the ground up...

Yahoo = never a prob, AOL seems to work whenever I tried it... but somehow
MS cannot get it together..

...D.

Well, if that's what interests you and the problem is the cost of long
distance calls, have you considered Internet Phone Service.? One standard
monthly rate, no per minute charges, you can use your own phone with much
better sound quality than using your PC's mic input and speakers, none of
the dropouts or compatibility issues or differing setups based on different
and competing chat technologies.

I'm no MS plant. If you are true to your word about what you are seeking,
then this is a far better solution for you; here's one example
www.vonage.com. Many cable companies that offer broadband access are now
offering similar services. In fact, even many local telcos are offering
such service. One caveat, you usually need to go to a slightly higher tier
of service in order for it to include 911 service; it's generally not more
than an additional $5 or $10 a month. Aside from that, you can completely
replace your local and long distance service at a very reasonable price and
with many of these services, not only is long distance included but you have
no local toll calls either.

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"...D." wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:39:02 -0800, ...D. wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:04:34 -0000, "Robert Moir"
wrote:

But wouldn't you all agree voice is important in a Messenger
program??

Nope. Never used it, never will use it.

Sure. Your opinion is noted. Voice not important for a messenger
program. Check.

To a person that say.. likes to log into oh.. what - public chatrooms,
voice capability in some is a very nice feature..

Or, lets say a private chatroom group of what - 10 people - 15 people?
Nice to be in a private group where you know the people..

It sounds to me like Yahoo has a different type of user then. Sure, there
are many who don't want to use voice, but without voice for me and many
others, using Messenger for these funtions quite inadequate and won't
do.. I am just about the worst typer in the world for communicating in
Messenger programs when typing, itdsf connes outt likkee thiis...

And then there is my teenage son who live in another city far away, and my
best friend as far back as high school who has moved out of area too, and
a few other freinds who are far away - but gee - we like to talk voice and
not use the telephone (and pay)... And then, there is knowing my status
of availability & being able to start in with an IM to me & seamelessly
move int voice if wanted - and oh, BTW, what if some of your friends are
on dial up l,ike hald of the people in the USA - try calling them voice
with your so convenient telephone when they are online with you.., or just
online period...

Jeeez some of you guys have got to be MS plants..

See, I would not even mention a thing, but it started working when I got
the 6.2 latest upgrade, and I told everyone "go to MSN Messenger, it now
wsorks with the latest upgrade - I only want to run one Messenger
program",

...and wouldn't you know it, a few days later, back to the voice
problems.. My own fault I guess, i thought the leader of the fxxxking
world, Microsoft, finally solved this last perplexing problem of theirs..
The whole Messenger programs should be rewritten from the ground up...

Yahoo = never a prob, AOL seems to work whenever I tried it... but somehow
MS cannot get it together..

...D.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:51:05 -0600, "Harry Ohrn"
wrote:

http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killf..._troll_faq.htm
-----------
"While every usenet user has been the victim of Trolls, very
few have had the opportunity to study many thousand troll
posts and look for patterns. They are therefore unaware of
the methods used. It is important that all usenet users
have access to as much information as possible. A..."
---------

Of course, somehow you have assumed I never have logged in here and given
a few answers here and there if I knew, & helped out.. Or that I've asked
questions here.. In fact I used to log in here just about daily for a
period and reply to a few queries.. Not a whole lot lately, & now
certainly several days pass between check-ins, but gee - I think you got
the wrong idea...

So take your anti-troll link and either shove it up your xxs, or post it
when a real troll logs into a newsgroup - say a New York Yankees fan
logging into a Boston Redsox newsgroup just to tell 'em "Redsox sux".. Oh
wait.. make sure now i use Windows XP.. I do!!

It is not by accident I am posted the original post thatstarted this
thread in this newsgroup alone. It because I've been here again and
again.. This newsgroup preferred by me to the other MS newsgroups because
they're just so popular that you have to wade through 100s of posts every
time you log in.

Look - I like Windows XP. I use Internet Explorer not Firefox or
Netscape, I use Windows media Player 10 and it is the best overall visual
player there is (I can adjust contrast and brightness with easy), and I
use Outlook Express for email.. So excuse me for telling it like it is
---- "MS is blowing it with it's Messenger programs"..

...D.