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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
On 01/29/2015 01:53 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per philo: On all Windows machines used for work I'm turning off auto-update...then will manually update on /my/ schedule and not Microsoft's. Based on past experience I predict that you will still get burned - albeit not as frequently. A few months back an update ruined one of my wife's work computers... and though I repaired the damage, it took a lot of work on my part. The project was so critical that we had /two/ other machines ready to put on line with the same software and data. I had an update go bad on a Windows 7 VAIO laptop that took it down for almost a week before I figured out how to get it back. Can't recall the details, but it was a Windows Update gone wrong. At the time I was whining in various fora and kept hearing "Well, it's not happening to anybody else, so you must have done something wrong..." But I did not do anything except click "OK" for proceeding with the updates. Considering that the machine only had one glitch within the past few years...is not too bad of a record...but this was a fairly major one. |
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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
I can't understand why *any* update should be forced if the user has elected to be prompted. Afaik, the only forced update when WU is configured to be prompted is one that is not even offered...the update to the Windows Update engine - that one will automatically install since it is deemed necessary for WU to do its job. Incidentally, the respective o/s EULA indicates that updating the WU engine will happen automatically. Installation and use of Windows thereby agrees to allow that possibility to happen (and at any time) -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
Per . . .winston:
Afaik, the only forced update when WU is configured to be prompted is one that is not even offered...the update to the Windows Update engine - that one will automatically install since it is deemed necessary for WU to do its job. Then somebody would have to explain why I got 55 updates a week or so ago. They would also have to explain why, if somebody has been OK without that new version of the update engine for the past week, they need it *right now* and not a few hours later at their convenience. Incidentally, the respective o/s EULA indicates that updating the WU engine will happen automatically. Installation and use of Windows thereby agrees to allow that possibility to happen (and at any time) That's all very well - and the lawyers are doing their job. But try telling it to some guy who has a bunch of users on their back while they are trying to troubleshoot a production problem and they get "Please wait...." when rebooting. I know it's never going to change - but, like MS' moving the furniture around with each new release, it's something that cries out for a rational explanation. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:14:47 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per . . .winston: Afaik, the only forced update when WU is configured to be prompted is one that is not even offered...the update to the Windows Update engine - that one will automatically install since it is deemed necessary for WU to do its job. Then somebody would have to explain why I got 55 updates a week or so ago. A couple of likely explanations are that you install updates so infrequently that the number climbs that high when you finally get around to it, or you just installed a Microsoft product and now you're eligible to receive all of the pending updates for that product. All of that begs the question of what you mean by "got 55 updates". They were offered to you? You chose to download them? You chose to install them? You chose to reboot? If you're in the middle of a production issue, don't choose to do any of those things until things calm down. They would also have to explain why, if somebody has been OK without that new version of the update engine for the past week, they need it *right now* and not a few hours later at their convenience. Do you even notice that kind of update when it happens? I don't. Incidentally, the respective o/s EULA indicates that updating the WU engine will happen automatically. Installation and use of Windows thereby agrees to allow that possibility to happen (and at any time) That's all very well - and the lawyers are doing their job. But try telling it to some guy who has a bunch of users on their back while they are trying to troubleshoot a production problem and they get "Please wait...." when rebooting. Don't install updates when you're in the middle of something hot and heavy. |
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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
Per Char Jackson:
All of that begs the question of what you mean by "got 55 updates". They were offered to you? You chose to download them? You chose to install them? You chose to reboot? If you're in the middle of a production issue, don't choose to do any of those things until things calm down. I had Windows Update set to notification only - i.e just tell me about updates and don't even download them. I chose nothing. Just rebooted for reasons I cannot recall. Was not working a production problem at the time, but I find reboots to be fairly common in times of trouble... missing connections, security issues... call the Help Desk and like-as-not the first thing they'll tell me is "Try a reboot". -- Pete Cresswell |
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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 15:51:59 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Char Jackson: All of that begs the question of what you mean by "got 55 updates". They were offered to you? You chose to download them? You chose to install them? You chose to reboot? If you're in the middle of a production issue, don't choose to do any of those things until things calm down. I had Windows Update set to notification only - i.e just tell me about updates and don't even download them. I chose nothing. Just rebooted for reasons I cannot recall. I get your point, but I'm smelling some exaggeration. ;-) Was not working a production problem at the time, but I find reboots to be fairly common in times of trouble... missing connections, security issues... call the Help Desk and like-as-not the first thing they'll tell me is "Try a reboot". Rebooting is an excellent first step, generally, so I can't blame them there. |
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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per . . .winston: Afaik, the only forced update when WU is configured to be prompted is one that is not even offered...the update to the Windows Update engine - that one will automatically install since it is deemed necessary for WU to do its job. Then somebody would have to explain why I got 55 updates a week or so ago. They would also have to explain why, if somebody has been OK without that new version of the update engine for the past week, they need it *right now* and not a few hours later at their convenience. If you knew you had 55 updates, then it wasn't the Windows Update engine needing an update agreeing to install them, its not coded to perform that task. Incidentally, the respective o/s EULA indicates that updating the WU engine will happen automatically. Installation and use of Windows thereby agrees to allow that possibility to happen (and at any time) That's all very well - and the lawyers are doing their job. But try telling it to some guy who has a bunch of users on their back while they are trying to troubleshoot a production problem and they get "Please wait...." when rebooting. That guy operates under the same conditions as everyone else and by use of the software those 'bunch of users' agreed to the same EULA. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
Per . . .winston:
If you knew you had 55 updates, then it wasn't the Windows Update engine needing an update agreeing to install them, its not coded to perform that task. But it did install them - and without any prompt. And that was not the only time I've gotten unasked-for/unprompted updates when I had Windows Update set to not do that. Others have had the same experience. I come away from reading of other people's accounts with the idea that one proposed explanation is it will do that if/when the update engine needs to be updated. But maybe I read that wrong... Still it's happened to me and happened to others. -- Pete Cresswell |
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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
Per Wolf K:
Some security updates are done regardless of your settings, and MS isn't the only one that does it. Mozilla has been updating FF security holes by stealth for some time now. IMO, a lot of sudden, inexplicable glitches are caused by these stealth updates. Eg.... Coincidentally, I just had to re-image the PC that I had been going on-and-on about. The thing just stopped booting... period. Yeah... Correlation Causation..... but I'll never know.... -) -- Pete Cresswell |
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Yet Another Unasked-For Windows Update ?
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per philo: On all Windows machines used for work I'm turning off auto-update...then will manually update on /my/ schedule and not Microsoft's. Based on past experience I predict that you will still get burned - albeit not as frequently. A few months back an update ruined one of my wife's work computers... and though I repaired the damage, it took a lot of work on my part. The project was so critical that we had /two/ other machines ready to put on line with the same software and data. I had an update go bad on a Windows 7 VAIO laptop that took it down for almost a week before I figured out how to get it back. Can't recall the details, but it was a Windows Update gone wrong. At the time I was whining in various fora and kept hearing "Well, it's not happening to anybody else, so you must have done something wrong..." But I did not do anything except click "OK" for proceeding with the updates. You guys have just about convinced me to stick with XP, where I can effectively turn off auto update, and there are no new updates anyway. |
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