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  #1  
Old February 18th 18, 12:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Andrew Wilson[_2_]
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Default Win 7 32-bit

Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which version
(I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll have
to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks
aw56001

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Old February 18th 18, 01:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Andrew Wilson wrote:

Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit


That means those are the operating systems for which the mobo vendor
will provide drivers for their hardware. You can use Windows 7 x64 but
you risk hardware compatibility. Windows 7 x64 might include the 64-bit
drivers for that mobo but maybe not. You should've dug a bit deeper.
See:

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard...-10#support-dl

Notice which Windows versions are available in the drop-down list.

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Old February 18th 18, 01:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Andrew Wilson" wrote in message
...
Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which version
(I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll have to
go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks
aw56001


According to their website, they have drivers for Win7/8.1/10 32-bit, so I
would assume (yeah, I know what that means) that 32-bit Windows will run on
it.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-A320M-HD2-rev-10#support-dl
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  #4  
Old February 18th 18, 03:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 18/02/2018 11:28, Andrew Wilson wrote:
if not I'll have to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.


You don't need to buy Windows 7 64 bit. you can download it free of
charge from Microsoft Website by inserting your Windows 7 (32 bit)
serial number.

For Windows 10 , YES you need to buy it. It is not free.

Did you just wake up? Why did you not know about Windows 10 free
version when it was available?

Where did you steal Windows 7 32 bit from? It is no longer available
from the official channels. Don't tell me you are eBayer touting
pirated software. Microsoft is watching you.

If nothing works then please install Linux system and use their NGs to
ask your silly questions. They will love you for asking them something.










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  #5  
Old February 18th 18, 04:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Andrew Wilson wrote:
Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which version
(I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll have
to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks
aw56001


There would be a couple potential issues with Windows 7.

1) Drivers are likely to be OK. If they're offered for
x64, then x32 is just as likely. The only company to break with that
at the moment, is NVidia, which has promised to discontinue
new x32 drivers. I love companies making uncoordinated decisions
like this.

2) XHCI and Windows 7. Windows 7 has no USB3 drivers built-in and
on XHCI-only motherboards, this can cause a problem if using
a USB3 port for installation. This might happen if the user places
the Windows 7 installer contents on a USB stick, then plugs it into
the USB3 port. Your board has XHCI handoff, and I presume that
has something to do with fixing that. Using an optical drive
on SATA, solves the problem, but depending on your usage pattern,
you might occasionally plug in a USB stick without thinking about it,
and be stopped by something like this. Like if you put the Windows 7
emergency boot image on a USB key, didn't set the BIOS properly,
and it wouldn't boot or something. This issue is mainly something to
keep in mind, when analyzing boot failures. It's not likely to be
a drop dead issue (unless it was a tablet or something, with limited
I/O choices).

(First mentioned as an issue, about 75% of the way down this page...)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/9485/...vga-supermicro

3) Windows Update will receive a warning that "you're using an
unsupported processor" when using Ryzen. Or Coffee Lake in
Windows 7. Skylake is OK. There's a hack to fix Windows Update
so it still delivers updates. But you must check the latest developments
to see if Microsoft has disabled the hack. You should still be
able to install patches manually, say from catalog.update.microsoft.com.
And using MBSA 2.3 to figure out what patches are needed for security.
MBSA 2.3 doesn't tell you about optional updates, only security
ones.

And no, they're not trying to make it easy.

If you read between the lines, the ecosystem isn't what it used to
be. At one time, maybe a little cash would change hands under the
table. Like if one company said "I need $10 million to support test
of your new hardware in my OS", the money would change hands. And
from the outside, the Windows ecosystem would look like one happy
family.

But things have changed. Microsoft made a port of their OS for
ARM, and without ARM paying for it. They did the port because
Microsoft wanted a WinRT. Ports for companies where Microsoft
didn't want to do that, would be charged $150 million (which is
a reasonable price for a port like that).

Microsoft makes their own PCs, which ****es off the OEMs.

Microsoft has made new pricing structures for Win10 OEM
which are graduated (according to CPU performance), and
higher than before. Nibbling away at OEM margins.

In a word, the industry members are at war with one another,
with all this unfriendly activity. For example, Microsoft
made an x86 emulator for ARM (which hasn't been deployed
yet, but could be seen in the real world soon). And Intel
has issued a press release saying they aren't really pleased
(and the lawyers are climbing into the Clown Car to see what
they can do about it).

The end result, is you see a few cracks in the seams here
and there. And as a user, you have to put up with any
issues created.

Paul
  #6  
Old February 18th 18, 05:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Gianni Turri
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Default Win 7 32-bit

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:28:47 +0000, Andrew Wilson
wrote:

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll have
to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.


Probalby you don't need to buy a Win 10 license:
despite what MS officially says, that the free offer to upgrade from
Win 7 to Win 10 is expired, few days ago I have used a Win 7
product-key to activate a fresh clean installation of Win 10.

I have installed Win 10 using the ISO on a USB stick, using the
desired version 32 bit or 64 bit, selected the correct Win Home or Pro
version depending on the Win 7 PK, skipped inserting it during
installation.

When Win 10 was up and running then in Settings, Update and Security,
Activation, Change product key, I have entered the Win 7 PK.

Apparently ther was a problem activating but simply clicking on
Tropubleshoot (in the same page) solved it.
  #7  
Old February 18th 18, 06:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Win 7 32-bit

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 11:28:47 +0000, Andrew Wilson
wrote:

Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which version
(I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll have
to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks



Your question has already been answered, but let me make another
point:

You say "I'm using win 7 32-bit." Does that mean you intend to
transfer the Windows 7 license from your old computer to the new one?

If so it's possible that you can not do this. If you have a retail
version of Windows, no problem. But if it's an OEM version (for
example if it came preinstalled on the computer), its license ties it
permanently to the first computer it's installed on; it may never be
moved to another.
  #8  
Old February 18th 18, 06:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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SC Tom wrote:


"Andrew Wilson" wrote in message ...
Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which version (I'm using win 7
32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll have to go out and
buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks
aw56001


According to their website, they have drivers for Win7/8.1/10 32-bit, so I would assume
(yeah, I know what that means) that 32-bit Windows will run on it.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-A320M-HD2-rev-10#support-dl


No 32 bit chipset drivers.

  #9  
Old February 18th 18, 08:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Paul in Houston TX wrote:
SC Tom wrote:


"Andrew Wilson" wrote in message
...
Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which
version (I'm using win 7
32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll
have to go out and
buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks
aw56001


According to their website, they have drivers for Win7/8.1/10 32-bit,
so I would assume
(yeah, I know what that means) that 32-bit Windows will run on it.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-A320M-HD2-rev-10#support-dl


No 32 bit chipset drivers.


That's a good catch.

You can see what happened.

I checked the 1.26GB driver and it seems to have 32 bit content in it.
The 17.40 is roughly half the size, and 32 bit stuff is missing.
So that means the AMD policy changed at the same time as NVidia ???

Support AMD Raven Ridge CPU OS: Windows 10 64bit [17.40] 572.39 MB

OS: Windows 7 64bit, [16.50.2601] 1.26 GB
Windows 10 64bit

The 1.26GB driver package has folders like this.

W7
W764A
WT64A

The 572.39 MB driver package has this folder by comparison.
So this is all the "Ryzen with VEGA" support you get.

WT64A

Then you'd have to run off to a laptop site, and see if they have
a 32 bit driver for the mobile version of Raven Ridge. I'm sure
though that they'd change the VENEV to prevent reuse of the
driver. Even though the silicon might be quite similar.

When I checked the AMD driver site, it lists only Win10 x64 for
the Raven Ridge desktop too. It's listed as "Ryzen 5 processors
with Radeon Vega graphics".

I can't find an announcement from AMD to match the announcement
that NVidia made at the end of last year.

So here we have hardware companies dropping support for
an OS, before the Microsoft End Of Life. Gotcha.

Paul
  #10  
Old February 19th 18, 01:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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Paul wrote:
Paul in Houston TX wrote:
SC Tom wrote:


"Andrew Wilson" wrote in message
...
Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which version (I'm using win 7
32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll have to go out and
buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks
aw56001


According to their website, they have drivers for Win7/8.1/10 32-bit, so I would assume
(yeah, I know what that means) that 32-bit Windows will run on it.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-A320M-HD2-rev-10#support-dl


No 32 bit chipset drivers.


That's a good catch.

You can see what happened.

I checked the 1.26GB driver and it seems to have 32 bit content in it.
The 17.40 is roughly half the size, and 32 bit stuff is missing.
So that means the AMD policy changed at the same time as NVidia ???

Support AMD Raven Ridge CPU OS: Windows 10 64bit [17.40] 572.39 MB

OS: Windows 7 64bit, [16.50.2601] 1.26 GB
Windows 10 64bit

The 1.26GB driver package has folders like this.

W7
W764A
WT64A

The 572.39 MB driver package has this folder by comparison.
So this is all the "Ryzen with VEGA" support you get.

WT64A

Then you'd have to run off to a laptop site, and see if they have
a 32 bit driver for the mobile version of Raven Ridge. I'm sure
though that they'd change the VENEV to prevent reuse of the
driver. Even though the silicon might be quite similar.

When I checked the AMD driver site, it lists only Win10 x64 for
the Raven Ridge desktop too. It's listed as "Ryzen 5 processors
with Radeon Vega graphics".

I can't find an announcement from AMD to match the announcement
that NVidia made at the end of last year.

So here we have hardware companies dropping support for
an OS, before the Microsoft End Of Life. Gotcha.

Paul


MB appears to be made for W10/64 with 7/8 64 an afterthought on GA or it just happened
to work on 7/8 64.
The ASUS equivalent (chipset AMD A320) only lists W10 o/s.
I noticed the driver file size difference but did not take them apart to verify.

  #11  
Old February 19th 18, 04:46 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 02/18/2018 05:28 AM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which version
(I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Â*Operating System

Â*Â*Â* Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Â*Â*Â* Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll have
to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks
aw56001




If you plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM you should go with the 64bit
version.

Even if you do not plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM I'd still go with
the 64 bit version because you very well may want to use more RAM some day.
  #12  
Old February 19th 18, 06:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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philo wrote:
On 02/18/2018 05:28 AM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which
version (I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll
have to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks
aw56001




If you plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM you should go with the 64bit
version.

Even if you do not plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM I'd still go with
the 64 bit version because you very well may want to use more RAM some day.


The only reason the 32-bit version comes up, is for its
ability to run 16-bit software. And that's not the kind of
software you think it is either. There are quite a few
32 bit programs, where the installer for the program is 16-bit,
and that prevents installation of the 32 bit program [that
would have run in a 64-bit OS]. Just the installer used,
a particular free installer, is the source of a lot of
grief.

Running old 16-bit games, is a second use-case for the x32 OS.

Microsoft apparently could have made a WOW subsystem so
16 bit ran on the 64 bit OS too. But they chose not to.
And this is why some users continue to like the 32-bit OS,
for compatibility with large collections of existing
software (software with installer issues, or actual
16-bit software from long ago).

Paul
  #13  
Old February 19th 18, 07:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
philo
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On 02/19/2018 11:31 AM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
On 02/18/2018 05:28 AM, Andrew Wilson wrote:
Help please?
Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which
version (I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Â* Operating System

Â*Â*Â*Â* Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Â*Â*Â*Â* Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll
have to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.
They don't make it easy do they?
Many thanks
aw56001




If you plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM you should go with the
64bit version.

Even if you do not plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM I'd still go
with the 64 bit version because you very well may want to use more RAM
some day.


The only reason the 32-bit version comes up, is for its
ability to run 16-bit software. And that's not the kind of
software you think it is either. There are quite a few
32 bit programs, where the installer for the program is 16-bit,
and that prevents installation of the 32 bit program [that
would have run in a 64-bit OS]. Just the installer used,
a particular free installer, is the source of a lot of
grief.

Running old 16-bit games, is a second use-case for the x32 OS.

Microsoft apparently could have made a WOW subsystem so
16 bit ran on the 64 bit OS too. But they chose not to.
And this is why some users continue to like the 32-bit OS,
for compatibility with large collections of existing
software (software with installer issues, or actual
16-bit software from long ago).

Â*Â* Paul




Also:

Some additional older drivers do not exist for a 64 bit OS.

I have an old, professional model slide scanner than was designed for XP.

It works fine on Win7 but the only the 32 bit version.

There are no drivers at all unless I would want to purchase View Scan
  #14  
Old February 19th 18, 08:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , philo
writes:
On 02/19/2018 11:31 AM, Paul wrote:

[]
Microsoft apparently could have made a WOW subsystem so
16 bit ran on the 64 bit OS too. But they chose not to.
And this is why some users continue to like the 32-bit OS,
for compatibility with large collections of existing
software (software with installer issues, or actual
16-bit software from long ago).
** Paul


My preferred email/news client (Turnpike) is a shell extension (or parts
of it are), that also runs only with the 32 bit shell. (Mailboxes,
newsgroups, etc. appear as real folders.) MS had the 32 bit shell
available (I think that word WOW came up) right up to the release
candidate of W7/64 - Turnpike worked with all the pre-release candidates
- but they decided to break it on the final release. (TP _is_ 32-bit
software, but needs the 32-bit shell too.)


Also:

Some additional older drivers do not exist for a 64 bit OS.

I have an old, professional model slide scanner than was designed for XP.

It works fine on Win7 but the only the 32 bit version.

There are no drivers at all unless I would want to purchase View Scan


The fact that it - and many other scanners - _does_ work via VueScan
increases my irritation that scanner manufacturers haven't come out with
a universal interface, since it's obviously possible. Same for printers.
(Both could work with the "standard" interface, requiring extra software
for any unique features. But there's no incentive for them to do it, and
plenty for them not to.) I admire VueScan's initiative in having created
their product - I'm just sorry that it costs more than a medium-quality
scanner. (Not their fault, I think they're a small company who are
unable to make it for less.)
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  #15  
Old February 20th 18, 03:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Paul wrote:

philo wrote:

Andrew Wilson wrote:

Someone is building me a new computer.
I told him I was currently using Win 7 but didn't mention which
version (I'm using win 7 32-bit).
Just read the documentation with the GA-A320M-HD2 and it says it only
supports

Operating System

Support for Windows 10 64-bit
Support for Windows 7 64-bit

Will Win 7 32-bit definitely not work on this board as if not I'll
have to go out and buy either Win 10 64-bit or Win 7 64-bit.


If you plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM you should go with the 64bit
version.

Even if you do not plan to use more than 3 gigs of RAM I'd still go with
the 64 bit version because you very well may want to use more RAM some day.


The only reason the 32-bit version comes up, is for its
ability to run 16-bit software. And that's not the kind of
software you think it is either. There are quite a few
32 bit programs, where the installer for the program is 16-bit,
and that prevents installation of the 32 bit program [that
would have run in a 64-bit OS]. Just the installer used,
a particular free installer, is the source of a lot of
grief.

Running old 16-bit games, is a second use-case for the x32 OS.

Microsoft apparently could have made a WOW subsystem so
16 bit ran on the 64 bit OS too. But they chose not to.
And this is why some users continue to like the 32-bit OS,
for compatibility with large collections of existing
software (software with installer issues, or actual
16-bit software from long ago).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_on_Windows
This subsystem is available in 32-bit editions of Windows NT only. The
64-bit editions (including Windows Server 2008 R2 and later which only
have 64-bit editions) cannot run 16-bit software without third-party
emulation software (e.g. DOSBox).

"64-bit versions of Windows do not support 16-bit components, 16-bit
processes, or 16-bit applications"
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...nts-16-bit-pro

To get around the 16-bit installer (wrapped around a 32-bit app), there
are many of suggestions, like those at:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...on-64-bit-win7

A long time ago (when I moved to x64 for Windows), I lost some x16 DOS
games. They were pretty old so I really didn't mind that much that I
lost them. Later I found DOSBOX ran under Windows x64 can be used to
play x16 DOS games but I had already gotten rid of the old games.

http://www.freezenet.ca/guides/compa...rating-system/

That suggests using DOSBOX as the emulator to provide a 16-bit
environment for the old game or app. I've not used DOSBOX to know how
well it supports old x16 apps under Windows x64. I suspect there will
be some problems with any old app that attempt direct access to hardware
that emulation won't handle. For example, I remember some games were
bitches to get running and stay running because of their protection
mechanisms. Some protections would check for emulation, redirection, or
other tricks and refuse to let the game load. If they wouldn't allow
the game to run using an emulated CD drive, they probably won't run
inside an emulator or virtual machine, either.

32-bit support will eventually get phased out, too, just as what
happened to 16-bit support in Windows x64. When you see Microsoft
release an x64-only version of Windows as their lowest bidtwidth is when
the expiration timer starts on 32-bit apps. As the OP has discovered,
hardware makers are already starting to abandon 32-bit support.

There was pressure from consumers for more than ~3.8GB of user space in
system RAM, the limit for 32-bit processors (2^32 = 4,294,967,296 but
remember the OS reserves some space so user space was less than 4GB).
Having more user space (without having to swap around blocks of memory)
meant going to 64-bit processors. Those can address 16 exabytes of
memory (but are throttled by what the OS will allow). So we will have
64-bit processors around for a long time since it will take a long time
before memory is cheap enough to make 16 exabytes look restricting on
user space. I don't think 128-bit processors will show up before I die
but it could happen. That doesn't mean the OS vendors or hardware
makers will want to continue supporting 32-bit interfaces or
translations to the 64-bit hardware.
 




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