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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:01:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote in If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there is the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and software even though the title is the same. +1 -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:32:24 +0000, NY wrote:
"Good Guy" wrote in message news On 22/02/2018 12:44, Alek wrote: I use (only) Classic Start Menu and I have a "non-10 looking computer. But you are a complete idiot who spends hundreds buying a new washing machine only to turn it into a 1940 model. Only an idiot does it. Not quite a fair analogy. It's more like wanting to keep the UI that has been around for a long time and has become standard throughout various new versions, rather than having used to a new UI which is unfamiliar. To use a car analogy, you want to take advantage of all the latest technological advances (more powerful and yet more efficient engine, ABS, power steering) under the hood (US) / bonnet (UK) without having an unfamiliar set of controls foisted on you. There are two ways to solve the problem: change the UI to one you are familiar with, using Classic Start Menu, or to bite the bullet and endure the period of hassle while you get used to the change-for-the-sake-of-change, and hope that MS don't redesign the UI yet again in a few years' time. I would opt for parallel running: have the familiar UI while you are using the PC as a tool, and be able to switch to the new UI as you get used to it, "playing" when you don't have to use it for real. Sad that MS didn't plan for this, and it has take 3rd party programs like Classic Shell to make it happen. Please don't try to talk sense to Good Guy, his only pleasure in life is to insult and annoy. |
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| In order | to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine | onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I | have to start from scratch. | Why not give it a try? Make a disk image of her system first, just in case. As Paul explained, it might reject the new one, but maybe not. If they're the same model there should be no issue with drivers. And if the key is hardware-embedded there's no reason for MS to reject the same model. Perhaps retrieve the key on hor computer first. I don't know that it will ever ask you for it, but it wouldn't hurt. |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 00:13:11 +1030, Gary Dingle
wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:39:28 +0000, Good Guy wrote: On 22/02/2018 10:48, wrote: So my question is: In order to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I have to start from scratch. No don't do it. Let your wife try to use Windows 10 because it is the main Operating System these days. There is no point in buying something you already had because life has to move on. New models of cars come out and people don't just scrap it and put the old body work on it. Do they? Let your wife use the new machine as it is. She must be younger than you and very likely to be intelligent than you. The only mistake she made is to marry an idiot like you. Here we go again ... Good Guy the big mouth with nothing useful to say! PDFTT |
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Mayayana wrote:
wrote in | In order | to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine | onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I | have to start from scratch. | Why not give it a try? Make a disk image of her system first, just in case. As Paul explained, it might reject the new one, but maybe not. If they're the same model there should be no issue with drivers. And if the key is hardware-embedded there's no reason for MS to reject the same model. Perhaps retrieve the key on hor computer first. I don't know that it will ever ask you for it, but it wouldn't hurt. You can query the key in the BIOS at any time. If I owned the machine in question, I would be recording it for a rainy day anyway. ******* https://askubuntu.com/questions/4238...ey-with-ubuntu sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM MSDMU LENOVOCB-01 ACPI #####-#####-#####-#####-##### You would do it that way, for example, if your AV or other armaments were preventing a Windows utility from looking up the information. Paul |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/22/2018 7:03 AM, Ed Cryer wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: On 2/22/2018 6:46 AM, Ed Cryer wrote: wrote: My wife's W8.1 laptop appears to have died.Â* She has bought an HP Envy W10 replacement which is exactly the same model as I already use.Â* I have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like a W10 machine. I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her.Â* She is used to using mine occasionally and likes it very much.Â* I make both an image and a clone of my 'C' drive every week.Â* So my question is: In order to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I have to start from scratch. Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chris --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus I should think it would work. I've restored many images and clones to the same machine, but not to another. However, I'd bet heavily that it would work with an identical model. The thing to do beforehand is to make sure it's recoverable if it doesn't work. How far is she into using it? Would a factory restore be acceptable? If not, take an image of where she's at. Then go ahead. It might be a good idea to list the steps beforehand, and tick them off at each stage; something like this. 1. Image of new machine (factory or personal) 2. Image of old machine. 3. Restore old onto new machine. 4. Fully test. We'll be here to help should you hit problems. Ed If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there is the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and software even though the title is the same. I would recommend setting up the new machince, and not carry all the minor errors and old caches from on your machine into hers.Â* The registry some times collects old obsolete entries that are not needed. You collect remanents of past versions of current programs and programs you tried and removed.Â* They all leave stuff on your computer.Â* It is best to start fresh As an example I recently discovered that Firefox bookmarks are backed up automatically and I had dozen of backup when I learned of them. Where are the Firefox bookmarks backups stored? Ed C:\Users\UserID\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Pr ofiles\ez8rogjb.default\bookmarkbackups After you have deleted most of the backup, go into about:config and change browser.bookmarks.max_backups to some thing reasonable. Mine contains 15 generations, but occupying less than 1 MB. I have many, many more culprits of space-wasting on my system; and I let them lie. Why? Because computers today are vastly different from Win95 ones; wherein space was paramount, RAM was expensive, the registry was more open to corruption, and a regular re-installation of Windows was recommended. If you ever want to campaign against redundancy in our beloved OS, then you'll have to look deeper and further than such minor infringements to get to a worthwhile level. This Win7 system I'm writing from is 7 years old, and I've never done a re-install; never had to. I have restored from system images, though. I feel no need for a re-install. It wouldn't add a fraction of a percent improvement, but would just give me a lot of time-consuming work. Ed |
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Gary Dingle wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:47:40 +0000, Good Guy wrote: On 22/02/2018 12:44, Alek wrote: I use (only) Classic Start Menu and I have a "non-10 looking computer. But you are a complete idiot who spends hundreds buying a new washing machine only to turn it into a 1940 model. Only an idiot does it. Talking of idiots, you've opened your mouth yet again & proved you are big one! I don't think Good Guy's an idiot. What he is is "malign". He's bitter and twisted, with very low self-esteem which he constantly projects onto others. And he's the bigger loser in that dialectic; because it only works for a very short while, and keeps him stuck with constantly having to renew it. A wiser man would tell him to find the remnants of love within himself, and hang onto those for salvation. Ed |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:10:27 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote: Gary Dingle wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:47:40 +0000, Good Guy wrote: On 22/02/2018 12:44, Alek wrote: I use (only) Classic Start Menu and I have a "non-10 looking computer. But you are a complete idiot who spends hundreds buying a new washing machine only to turn it into a 1940 model. Only an idiot does it. Talking of idiots, you've opened your mouth yet again & proved you are big one! I don't think Good Guy's an idiot. What he is is "malign". He's bitter and twisted, with very low self-esteem which he constantly projects onto others. And he's the bigger loser in that dialectic; because it only works for a very short while, and keeps him stuck with constantly having to renew it. A wiser man would tell him to find the remnants of love within himself, and hang onto those for salvation. As far as I'm concerned, he's a troll. You may be right about the reason why, but it doesn't matter to me. Trolls should be killfiled, and he's long been killfiled here. |
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"Ed Cryer" wrote
| A wiser man would tell him to find the remnants of love within himself, | and hang onto those for salvation. | A nice thought, but I think that was covered under, "Cast not your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, then turn and attack you." Doesn't the wise man mold the talk to the person, rather than trying to mold the person to the talk they'd like to give? |
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On 02/22/2018 08:47 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:01:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle wrote in If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there is the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and software even though the title is the same. +1 +2 There's Nothing like a clean install. It's only once, I'd take the time to do it right the first time. |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Ed Cryer" wrote | A wiser man would tell him to find the remnants of love within himself, | and hang onto those for salvation. | A nice thought, but I think that was covered under, "Cast not your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, then turn and attack you." Doesn't the wise man mold the talk to the person, rather than trying to mold the person to the talk they'd like to give? He's stuck somewhere where he's doing himself no good; and where people go out of their way to escape him. Everybody here can see it, but he can't. I have a situation that I think he might consider. Two people are pushing trolleys in a supermarket. They bang into each other. Both look at the other and smile; an accident; they part with goodwill, but they've met and recognised each other and if they were to meet again they'd have a basis to build a friendship on. Two people are pushing trolleys in a supermarket. They bang into each other. One unleashes a tirade of abuse at the other. Now, this anger has taken centre stage between them, and the other reacts to that anger, reason going out the window; and, as we all know, such situations can escalate easily to tragedy. Why the anger? Well, the one who released it rationalises it as being caused by the other's behaviour. The other knows better; he knows that his new enemy was carrying a load of anger as they met. Ed |
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