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  #16  
Old February 22nd 18, 02:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:01:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
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If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there is
the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and software
even though the title is the same.


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  #17  
Old February 22nd 18, 03:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:39:28 +0000, Good Guy wrote:

On 22/02/2018 10:48, wrote:
So my question is: In order to set up the new laptop, can I simply put
an image or clone of mine onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff
she doesn't want or do I have to start from scratch.


No don't do it. Let your wife try to use Windows 10 because it is the
main Operating System these days. There is no point in buying something
you already had because life has to move on. New models of cars come
out and people don't just scrap it and put the old body work on it. Do
they? Let your wife use the new machine as it is. She must be younger
than you and very likely to be intelligent than you. The only mistake
she made is to marry an idiot like you.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Yes it is a silly question and don't ask ever again such questions here.
You can ask on Linux NG but Windows users are generally brighter and
intelligent than Linux junkies.

Well you've just proven that not all windows users are particularly
bright. Come to think of it, every post you make re-affirms the point,
why you can't even stop posting in html code or whatever it is you are
doing.
Go away and don't come back.
  #18  
Old February 22nd 18, 03:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 13:32:24 +0000, NY wrote:

"Good Guy" wrote in message
news On 22/02/2018 12:44, Alek wrote:


I use (only) Classic Start Menu and I have a "non-10 looking
computer.


But you are a complete idiot who spends hundreds buying a new washing
machine only to turn it into a 1940 model. Only an idiot does it.


Not quite a fair analogy. It's more like wanting to keep the UI that has
been around for a long time and has become standard throughout various
new versions, rather than having used to a new UI which is unfamiliar.
To use a car analogy, you want to take advantage of all the latest
technological advances (more powerful and yet more efficient engine,
ABS, power steering) under the hood (US) / bonnet (UK) without having an
unfamiliar set of controls foisted on you.

There are two ways to solve the problem: change the UI to one you are
familiar with, using Classic Start Menu, or to bite the bullet and
endure the period of hassle while you get used to the
change-for-the-sake-of-change, and hope that MS don't redesign the UI
yet again in a few years' time.

I would opt for parallel running: have the familiar UI while you are
using the PC as a tool, and be able to switch to the new UI as you get
used to it,
"playing" when you don't have to use it for real. Sad that MS didn't
plan for this, and it has take 3rd party programs like Classic Shell to
make it happen.


Please don't try to talk sense to Good Guy, his only pleasure in life is
to insult and annoy.
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Old February 22nd 18, 04:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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wrote in

| In order
| to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
| onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
| have to start from scratch.
|

Why not give it a try? Make a disk image of her
system first, just in case. As Paul explained, it might
reject the new one, but maybe not. If they're the
same model there should be no issue with drivers.
And if the key is hardware-embedded there's no
reason for MS to reject the same model. Perhaps
retrieve the key on hor computer first. I don't know
that it will ever ask you for it, but it wouldn't hurt.


  #21  
Old February 22nd 18, 07:41 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:
wrote in

| In order
| to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
| onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
| have to start from scratch.
|

Why not give it a try? Make a disk image of her
system first, just in case. As Paul explained, it might
reject the new one, but maybe not. If they're the
same model there should be no issue with drivers.
And if the key is hardware-embedded there's no
reason for MS to reject the same model. Perhaps
retrieve the key on hor computer first. I don't know
that it will ever ask you for it, but it wouldn't hurt.


You can query the key in the BIOS at any time.

If I owned the machine in question, I would be recording it
for a rainy day anyway.

*******

https://askubuntu.com/questions/4238...ey-with-ubuntu

sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM

MSDMU
LENOVOCB-01
ACPI
#####-#####-#####-#####-#####

You would do it that way, for example, if your AV or other
armaments were preventing a Windows utility from looking
up the information.

Paul
  #22  
Old February 22nd 18, 08:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/22/2018 7:03 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 2/22/2018 6:46 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
wrote:
My wife's W8.1 laptop appears to have died.Â* She has bought an HP Envy
W10 replacement which is exactly the same model as I already use.Â* I
have set mine up with much customization to make it much less like a
W10 machine.

I now need to set up my wife's new laptop for her.Â* She is used to
using mine occasionally and likes it very much.Â* I make both an image
and a clone of my 'C' drive every week.Â* So my question is: In order
to set up the new laptop, can I simply put an image or clone of mine
onto it and then uninstall/delete any stuff she doesn't want or do I
have to start from scratch.

Please excuse me if this is a silly question as I am a septuagenarian!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris

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I should think it would work. I've restored many images and clones
to the same machine, but not to another. However, I'd bet heavily
that it would work with an identical model.

The thing to do beforehand is to make sure it's recoverable if it
doesn't work.
How far is she into using it? Would a factory restore be acceptable?
If not, take an image of where she's at.
Then go ahead.

It might be a good idea to list the steps beforehand, and tick them
off at each stage; something like this.
1. Image of new machine (factory or personal)
2. Image of old machine.
3. Restore old onto new machine.
4. Fully test.

We'll be here to help should you hit problems.

Ed


If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there
is the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and
software even though the title is the same.


I would recommend setting up the new machince, and not carry all the
minor errors and old caches from on your machine into hers.Â* The
registry some times collects old obsolete entries that are not
needed. You collect remanents of past versions of current programs
and programs you tried and removed.Â* They all leave stuff on your
computer.Â* It is best to start fresh

As an example I recently discovered that Firefox bookmarks are backed
up automatically and I had dozen of backup when I learned of them.


Where are the Firefox bookmarks backups stored?

Ed

C:\Users\UserID\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Pr ofiles\ez8rogjb.default\bookmarkbackups


After you have deleted most of the backup, go into about:config and
change browser.bookmarks.max_backups to some thing reasonable.



Mine contains 15 generations, but occupying less than 1 MB.
I have many, many more culprits of space-wasting on my system; and I let
them lie.
Why? Because computers today are vastly different from Win95 ones;
wherein space was paramount, RAM was expensive, the registry was more
open to corruption, and a regular re-installation of Windows was
recommended.

If you ever want to campaign against redundancy in our beloved OS, then
you'll have to look deeper and further than such minor infringements to
get to a worthwhile level.

This Win7 system I'm writing from is 7 years old, and I've never done a
re-install; never had to. I have restored from system images, though.

I feel no need for a re-install. It wouldn't add a fraction of a percent
improvement, but would just give me a lot of time-consuming work.

Ed

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Old February 22nd 18, 08:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Gary Dingle wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:47:40 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 22/02/2018 12:44, Alek wrote:

I use (only) Classic
Start Menu and I have a "non-10 looking computer.


But you are a complete idiot who spends hundreds buying a new washing
machine only to turn it into a 1940 model. Only an idiot does it.



Talking of idiots, you've opened your mouth yet again & proved you are
big one!


I don't think Good Guy's an idiot. What he is is "malign". He's bitter
and twisted, with very low self-esteem which he constantly projects onto
others.
And he's the bigger loser in that dialectic; because it only works for a
very short while, and keeps him stuck with constantly having to renew it.

A wiser man would tell him to find the remnants of love within himself,
and hang onto those for salvation.

Ed

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Old February 22nd 18, 08:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:10:27 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Gary Dingle wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 12:47:40 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 22/02/2018 12:44, Alek wrote:

I use (only) Classic
Start Menu and I have a "non-10 looking computer.


But you are a complete idiot who spends hundreds buying a new washing
machine only to turn it into a 1940 model. Only an idiot does it.



Talking of idiots, you've opened your mouth yet again & proved you are
big one!


I don't think Good Guy's an idiot. What he is is "malign". He's bitter
and twisted, with very low self-esteem which he constantly projects onto
others.
And he's the bigger loser in that dialectic; because it only works for a
very short while, and keeps him stuck with constantly having to renew it.

A wiser man would tell him to find the remnants of love within himself,
and hang onto those for salvation.



As far as I'm concerned, he's a troll. You may be right about the
reason why, but it doesn't matter to me. Trolls should be killfiled,
and he's long been killfiled here.
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Old February 22nd 18, 09:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Ed Cryer" wrote

| A wiser man would tell him to find the remnants of love within himself,
| and hang onto those for salvation.
|

A nice thought, but I think that was covered under,
"Cast not your pearls before swine, lest they trample
them underfoot, then turn and attack you."

Doesn't the wise man mold the talk to the person,
rather than trying to mold the person to the talk
they'd like to give?


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Old February 22nd 18, 10:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 02/22/2018 08:47 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:01:26 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote in

If there is any age difference between the same model machine, there is
the possibility that it has diffferent versions drivers, and software
even though the title is the same.


+1
+2 There's Nothing like a clean install. It's only once, I'd take the

time to do it right the first time.
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Old February 22nd 18, 10:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:
"Ed Cryer" wrote

| A wiser man would tell him to find the remnants of love within himself,
| and hang onto those for salvation.
|

A nice thought, but I think that was covered under,
"Cast not your pearls before swine, lest they trample
them underfoot, then turn and attack you."

Doesn't the wise man mold the talk to the person,
rather than trying to mold the person to the talk
they'd like to give?



He's stuck somewhere where he's doing himself no good; and where people
go out of their way to escape him.
Everybody here can see it, but he can't.

I have a situation that I think he might consider.
Two people are pushing trolleys in a supermarket. They bang into each
other. Both look at the other and smile; an accident; they part with
goodwill, but they've met and recognised each other and if they were to
meet again they'd have a basis to build a friendship on.

Two people are pushing trolleys in a supermarket. They bang into each
other. One unleashes a tirade of abuse at the other.
Now, this anger has taken centre stage between them, and the other
reacts to that anger, reason going out the window; and, as we all know,
such situations can escalate easily to tragedy.

Why the anger? Well, the one who released it rationalises it as being
caused by the other's behaviour.
The other knows better; he knows that his new enemy was carrying a load
of anger as they met.

Ed

 




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