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What needs to be done to make Logitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?



 
 
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Old January 31st 17, 01:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
RS Wood
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Default What needs to be done to make Logitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?

I have never used a wireless mouse but I came across these two this morning
in the attic after moving into a rental property.
https://s23.postimg.org/jq6y47ph3/mouse_003.jpg

One is a Logitech mouse and the other is a Microsoft mouse.
https://s23.postimg.org/5l152egfr/mouse_004.jpg

The landlord said to just throw everything away as the stuff in the attic
belonged to the previous tenant, but I have a Windows XP laptop & a Windows
10 desktop that could use a wireless mouse.

I will put new batteries in them but what else would I need to do in order
to get these two mice working in Windows?

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Old January 31st 17, 03:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What needs to be done to make Logitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:20:37 +0000 (UTC) "RS Wood"
wrote in article

I have never used a wireless mouse but I came across these two this morning
in the attic after moving into a rental property.
https://s23.postimg.org/jq6y47ph3/mouse_003.jpg

One is a Logitech mouse and the other is a Microsoft mouse.
https://s23.postimg.org/5l152egfr/mouse_004.jpg

The landlord said to just throw everything away as the stuff in the attic
belonged to the previous tenant, but I have a Windows XP laptop & a Windows
10 desktop that could use a wireless mouse.

I will put new batteries in them but what else would I need to do in order
to get these two mice working in Windows?

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You need the USB-based radio gizmos for those. They may be attached - I
have a Logitec mouse and the "radio" slips into a recess on the bottom of
el mouse and also hits the on/off switch in a clever way. Not sure about
the MS one.
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Old January 31st 17, 03:13 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What needs to be done to make Logitech/Microsoft wireless micework?

RS Wood wrote:
I have never used a wireless mouse but I came across these two this morning
in the attic after moving into a rental property.
https://s23.postimg.org/jq6y47ph3/mouse_003.jpg

One is a Logitech mouse and the other is a Microsoft mouse.
https://s23.postimg.org/5l152egfr/mouse_004.jpg

The landlord said to just throw everything away as the stuff in the attic
belonged to the previous tenant, but I have a Windows XP laptop & a Windows
10 desktop that could use a wireless mouse.

I will put new batteries in them but what else would I need to do in order
to get these two mice working in Windows?


One of the mice, might have the receiver shoved into
a storage hole.

If you don't have the receiver, each of the mice probably
uses a different receiver. The Logitech one is probably
a "Unifying" receiver, which works with Logitech mice
and keyboards.

"What is Unifying? Logitech Unifying Receiver
One receiver for many devices" [maybe]

http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/promotions/6072

In the old days, you could probably buy a mouse for $20. You could
check the Logitech mouse, see if it has a part number, see if it
has a logo similar to the logo on this, and so on.

https://www.amazon.ca/Logitech-Unify.../dp/B0058OU8VY

Compatible with: Logitech wireless mouse M505
Marathon Mouse M705
Logitech Mouse M905
Logitech keyboard K340
Logitech keyboard K350

The Microsoft one might be conceptually the same (2.4GHz),
but operate in a different manner. The "Nano Transceiver".

http://web.archive.org/web/201211282...-wireless.html

"I called Microsoft at the number below and they said
that it is not possible to replace the transceiver on
a Mobile Mouse 600, they said it can't be paired with
a new transceiver."

So if the transceiver is still stored in the cubby hole
on the Microsoft mouse, you're all set.

For battery operated devices, you also want to examine
the battery contacts. If the battery leaked and corroded
the contacts, just throw them in the trash. I find that
corroded terminals, can encourage new batteries to leak too.
My track record is maybe 50-50 on cleaning the contacts.
Sometimes working well enough to keep, sometimes not.

*******

The transceiver is generally a USB HID class device,
and should perform basic functions with no software
at all.

If the number of switches on a mouse is greater than
three, you can load the Microsoft software to make the
extra buttons work. I don't know if Logitech made
monster mice with more than three buttons or not. It
might have been the Logitech Trackman that had software.

This would be an example of Microsoft software, for
extra button functions and so on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IntelliPoint

But you should really be using the model numbers
off the bottom of the device, to dig up the
details for each model.

In some cases, you want specific versions of Intellipoint,
if, for example, you want a newer mouse to work with an
older OS like WinXP. The latest package may have dropped
support for the thing you're holding there.

In any case, if you have all the bits and pieces, you
should be able to plug them in and try them. Even without
hitting Google.

The last Microsoft mouse I bought, has five buttons. Left
and right mouse. Clicky Scroll wheel. And two side buttons. The
two side buttons don't do anything - but I'm also too
lazy to load any software, so they'll remain that way.
If I "armed" them, they'd just be a nuisance.

Paul
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Old January 31st 17, 06:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default What needs to be done to make Logitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?

In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:20:37
+0000 (UTC), RS Wood wrote:

I have never used a wireless mouse but I came across these two this morning
in the attic after moving into a rental property.
https://s23.postimg.org/jq6y47ph3/mouse_003.jpg


They are mating. Do not disturb them.

One is a Logitech mouse and the other is a Microsoft mouse.
https://s23.postimg.org/5l152egfr/mouse_004.jpg


Some people disapprove of mixed relationships like theirs.

The landlord said to just throw everything away as the stuff in the attic
belonged to the previous tenant, but I have a Windows XP laptop & a Windows
10 desktop that could use a wireless mouse.

I will put new batteries in them but what else would I need to do in order
to get these two mice working in Windows?


You should be careful. They are paired with the previous tenant's
computer and what you do will have an effect on is computer, if it's
turned on.

You can buy a Logitech wireless keyboard and it will come with a
receiver. I bought something at a hamfest and when I got home it wasn't
what I thought it was. I forget what it was but it was a third thing
that works with the sme receiver. Upi cam ise i[ tp 6 things at a
time, but that sounds confusing.

I don't know about MS.

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Old January 31st 17, 10:18 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
RS Wood
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Default What needs to be done to make Logitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?

On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 21:13:16 -0500, Jason wrote:

You need the USB-based radio gizmos for those. They may be attached - I
have a Logitec mouse and the "radio" slips into a recess on the bottom of
el mouse and also hits the on/off switch in a clever way. Not sure about
the MS one.


That was the secret!

Both mice had a USB gizmo slipped into a recess inside!
https://s23.postimg.org/ugukpw33r/mouse_006.jpg

So, all I had to do was:
1. Put new batteries in (Logitech had 1 AA, MS had 2 AAA batteries)
2. Put the small attached paired recessed USB gizmo in the computer
3. Wait for a bunch of installing-hardware messages on the computer
5. Turn on the mouse button on the bottom

And that was it!

BTW, I hate AAA batteries. I never buy anything that has AAA batteries (or
button batteries) if I can help it, preferring AA batteries if I can. Thy
shouldn't even make AAA batteries, since they cost the same as AA and yet
they have half the power, so the Microsoft mouse is more poorly designed
(two AAA batteries) than the Logitech mouse (1 AA battery). I could see if
it only needed 1 AAA battery, the size difference might make a difference
(but not in a mouse), but once you have to put in more than 1 AAA battery,
they don't make any economic sense, so I never buy things with AAA
batteries by design.

Do you normally turn these mice off each night manually, or do you just let
them go to sleep on their own?
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Old January 31st 17, 11:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
RS Wood
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Default What needs to be done to make Logitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:37:06 -0000, UnsteadyKen
wrote:

I use a logitech mouse with my LG Linux TV.

I've had it for over 6 months, leave it switched on all the time and the
original (alkaline) battery is still going strong.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/produc...ess-mouse-m310


Thanks for that input on leaving the mouse power set to the "on" position.
https://s23.postimg.org/9ioert393/mouse_005.jpg

I do like that the Logitech mouse I have has only 1 AA battery, which has
the same power (but half the cost) of the two AAA batteries that the
Microsoft mouse uses.

However, what I liked better about the MS mouse is that the USB gizmo can
be stored and popped off without having to open the battery door.

On the Logitech mouse, you have to open the battery door to access the USB
gizmo, which would be just another pain for someone who doesn't keep it in
the computer all the time.

So, with only a few hours of experience, here's my wish list for USB mice.
0. The buttons, scroll, overall feel has work well overall!
1. The battery is a standard AA battery size (one battery or two is OK).
2. The USB gizmo stores/removes easily (not in the battery compartment!).
3. The power has a switch (for long term storage) but has auto shutoff.

What else matters in a wireless mouse?
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Old January 31st 17, 12:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default AA batteries was What needs to be done to make Logitech/Microsoftwireless mice work?

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:18:17 -0000, RS Wood wrote:

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BTW, I hate AAA batteries. I never buy anything that has AAA batteries

[]
I've seen cheapo Chinese (where else?) AA batteries that were AAA's in a
sleeve!


Do you normally turn these mice off each night manually, or do you just
let
them go to sleep on their own?


Get rechargeable ones, then not so much to worry about.


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Old January 31st 17, 12:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:06:15 -0000, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:

Do you normally turn these mice off each night manually, or do you just
let
them go to sleep on their own?


Get rechargeable ones, then not so much to worry about.


I have rechargeable batteries.

The crappy Lithium ones that Costco sells.
Enviro brand I think they're called. Blue paper labels.

I'll see if they work since the voltage is lower and the internal impedance
is lower, which means they "might" not work as well as Alkaline batteries
do.

They lithium batteries will put out more current (because of the lower
internal impedance) but for a mouse, more current isn't needed. They will
last long in storage, probably as long as the Alkaline ones last, so, that
means they'll keep their charge over time if the mouse is unused.

The differentiator will likely be whether the lower voltage will work (it
generally does for most things, but not all things).
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Old January 31st 17, 01:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default AA batteries was What needs to be done to makeLogitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:33:58 -0000, RS Wood wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:06:15 -0000, Kerr Mudd-John
wrote:

Do you normally turn these mice off each night manually, or do you just
let
them go to sleep on their own?


Get rechargeable ones, then not so much to worry about.


I have rechargeable batteries.

The crappy Lithium ones that Costco sells.
Enviro brand I think they're called. Blue paper labels.

I'll see if they work since the voltage is lower and the internal
impedance
is lower, which means they "might" not work as well as Alkaline batteries
do.

They lithium batteries will put out more current (because of the lower
internal impedance) but for a mouse, more current isn't needed. They will
last long in storage, probably as long as the Alkaline ones last, so,
that
means they'll keep their charge over time if the mouse is unused.

The differentiator will likely be whether the lower voltage will work (it
generally does for most things, but not all things).


It does for my family's mice (I'm happier with a wired one, being stuck in
the past)

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Old January 31st 17, 02:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default AA batteries was What needs to be done to makeLogitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?

On 1/31/2017 7:03 AM, Kerr Mudd-John wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:33:58 -0000, RS Wood wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:06:15 -0000, Kerr Mudd-John
wrote:

Do you normally turn these mice off each night manually, or do you just
let
them go to sleep on their own?

Get rechargeable ones, then not so much to worry about.


I have rechargeable batteries.

The crappy Lithium ones that Costco sells.
Enviro brand I think they're called. Blue paper labels.

I'll see if they work since the voltage is lower and the internal
impedance
is lower, which means they "might" not work as well as Alkaline batteries
do.

They lithium batteries will put out more current (because of the lower
internal impedance) but for a mouse, more current isn't needed. They will
last long in storage, probably as long as the Alkaline ones last, so,
that
means they'll keep their charge over time if the mouse is unused.

The differentiator will likely be whether the lower voltage will work (it
generally does for most things, but not all things).


It does for my family's mice (I'm happier with a wired one, being stuck
in the past)

I to am using a wired mouse, as in my experience the wireless have to
have their batteries replaced about once every three or four weeks.
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Old January 31st 17, 04:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default AA batteries was What needs to be done to make Logitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?

On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 08:08:32 -0500, knuttle
wrote:

I to am using a wired mouse, as in my experience the wireless have to
have their batteries replaced about once every three or four weeks.


I replace the batteries in my Logitech M705 wireless mouse every 18-24
months.

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Old January 31st 17, 05:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default AA batteries was What needs to be done to makeLogitech/Microsoft wireless mice work?

On 1/31/2017 10:13 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 08:08:32 -0500, knuttle
wrote:

I to am using a wired mouse, as in my experience the wireless have to
have their batteries replaced about once every three or four weeks.


I replace the batteries in my Logitech M705 wireless mouse every 18-24
months.

I have a Logitech M705 mouse. What kind of batteries do you use.

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Old January 31st 17, 05:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:33:58 +0000 (UTC), RS Wood
wrote:

The crappy Lithium ones that Costco sells.
Enviro brand I think they're called. Blue paper labels.


I got the brand name wrong. It's Eneloop. Panasonic really. I put as set of
the Lithium Metal Hydride batteries on the Panasonic charger that came with
them from Costco so I can test it out later in the day to see if the
voltage works.

Here's the Costco Item #1083517 battery package which I think I paid 30
bucks for 8 AA batteries and 4 AAA batteries, and a charger, so it's
impossible to figure out the price per battery. If we assume the charger is
about one third to one half the price that leaves the 12 batteries at about
$1.50 to $1.25 per battery.
https://www.costco.com/Panasonic-Ene...100308742.html

The Kirkland AAA batteries I currently have in the Logitech mouse is Costco
Item #1083517 which is $20 for 64 batteries, or 31 cents each.
https://www.costco.com/Kirkland-Sign...100308039.html

The Kirkland AA battery I have in the Microsoft mouse is Costco Item
#922275 at $19 for 72 batteries, or 26 cents each.
https://www.costco.com/Kirkland-Sign...100308038.html

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Old January 31st 17, 06:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:07:16 -0500, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 1/31/2017 10:13 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 08:08:32 -0500, knuttle
wrote:

I to am using a wired mouse, as in my experience the wireless have to
have their batteries replaced about once every three or four weeks.


I replace the batteries in my Logitech M705 wireless mouse every 18-24
months.

I have a Logitech M705 mouse. What kind of batteries do you use.


Duracell alkaline.

I'm on my 4th M705, (the switch under the left button wears out), and
all of them eat batteries at the rate of a pair every 18-24 months, so
if you have an M705 that eats batteries in 4 weeks, something is
definitely wrong.

 




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